Mirrorless vs DSLR advantages & disadvantages
Discussion
eltawater said:
I'm interested in the silent shooting mode of mirrorless but put off by the banding caused by artificial light.
This is the effect of the rolling shutter on current handheld cameras. Fear not!! Global Electronic Shutters are on their way, I work in machine vision, and we already have access to APS-C and FF industrial cameras with global shutters, its only a matter of time before these reach the handheld consumer/professional market (and I expect Sony will be the first to release cameras). With the advent of the Global Electronic Shutter, there will no need for a mechanical shutter in the camera further reducing the mechanical parts (the mirror box has already gone from DSLR to Mirrorless).Whatever the Pro's and Con's of DSLR v Mirrorless, Mirrorless is the future and will improve, faster AF, better tracking, better EVF's, etc. Another significant step will be on-sensor IBIS, ie the stabilisation is effected in software, again no moving parts.
In the present market DSLRs and Mirrorless each have their place, but newer Mirrorless cameras are eroding the pro's of DSLR's
DavidY said:
With the advent of the Global Electronic Shutter, there will no need for a mechanical shutter in the camera further reducing the mechanical parts
The new Olympus EM1X although not (yet) having a global shutter has done away with a mechanical shuttercompletely, so I assume that somehow they have minimized any rolling shutter effect.
I shoot an A7riii, and I only ever see banding when I use the electronic shutter. Using the mechanical shutter, there is no banding. I do, however, see slight banding sometimes when I heavily edit a landscape - although, I suspect, this is to do with the number of bits in the raw file, and short of going medium format, that would affect all sensors.
Back to the mirrorless vs dslr thing, I was originally enticed by how compact the first A7r was. Prior to that, I had a Nikon D90, and although I really liked that camera, I'd often leave it at home because I felt like a paparazzi when busting it out in a middle of a restaurant, for instance. The A7r, was somehow smaller than the D90 and it looked slick. It's about the same size as the classic SLRs from the '70's and '80's, e.g. the Pentax K1000 and Nikon FM2n.
I actually think they should re-release the original A7r, but with the latest autofocus and sensor. That design is something else.
Anyway, after that, I upgraded for eye AF and stabilisation, which seems to be much easier to implement on a mirrorless rather than a DSLR.
Apart from battery life, I don't see DSLRs offering anything that Mirrorless can't do.
Back to the mirrorless vs dslr thing, I was originally enticed by how compact the first A7r was. Prior to that, I had a Nikon D90, and although I really liked that camera, I'd often leave it at home because I felt like a paparazzi when busting it out in a middle of a restaurant, for instance. The A7r, was somehow smaller than the D90 and it looked slick. It's about the same size as the classic SLRs from the '70's and '80's, e.g. the Pentax K1000 and Nikon FM2n.
I actually think they should re-release the original A7r, but with the latest autofocus and sensor. That design is something else.
Anyway, after that, I upgraded for eye AF and stabilisation, which seems to be much easier to implement on a mirrorless rather than a DSLR.
Apart from battery life, I don't see DSLRs offering anything that Mirrorless can't do.
I'd actually really like to see a Nikon DF2. I quite liked the DF, although it was a bit fiddly. If they made it with a full metal body and updated the innards, i'm sure there would be a market for it.
It was just nice to look at and nice to play with.
One more thing going for DSLRs is that the optical viewfinder, although less useful, does look nicer than an EVF.
It was just nice to look at and nice to play with.
One more thing going for DSLRs is that the optical viewfinder, although less useful, does look nicer than an EVF.
Sensei Rob said:
I shoot an A7riii, and I only ever see banding when I use the electronic shutter. Using the mechanical shutter, there is no banding. I do, however, see slight banding sometimes when I heavily edit a landscape - although, I suspect, this is to do with the number of bits in the raw file, and short of going medium format, that would affect all sensors.
Thanks for that, that sort of puts the kybosh on the man-maths GAS I had for the A7Riii. The biggest draw for me for the electronic shutter was nearish silent operation to allow me to snap wedding ceremony photos in a small registry room lit by artificial light. The registrar appears to be fairly restrictive in what I can do so taking shots silently would have allowed me much more leeway. I can't afford to have the banding ruin these shots so I'll have to keep trying with my DIY soundblimp instead 
DavidY said:
eltawater said:
I'm interested in the silent shooting mode of mirrorless but put off by the banding caused by artificial light.
This is the effect of the rolling shutter on current handheld cameras. Fear not!! Global Electronic Shutters are on their way, I work in machine vision, and we already have access to APS-C and FF industrial cameras with global shutters, its only a matter of time before these reach the handheld consumer/professional market (and I expect Sony will be the first to release cameras). With the advent of the Global Electronic Shutter, there will no need for a mechanical shutter in the camera further reducing the mechanical parts (the mirror box has already gone from DSLR to Mirrorless).Whatever the Pro's and Con's of DSLR v Mirrorless, Mirrorless is the future and will improve, faster AF, better tracking, better EVF's, etc. Another significant step will be on-sensor IBIS, ie the stabilisation is effected in software, again no moving parts.
In the present market DSLRs and Mirrorless each have their place, but newer Mirrorless cameras are eroding the pro's of DSLR's
Elderly said:
The new Olympus EM1X although not (yet) having a global shutter has done away with a mechanical shutter
completely, so I assume that somehow they have minimized any rolling shutter effect.
Are you sure on this - Olympus UK site says Electronic Shutter yet the USA Olympus site says Mechanical Shutter!!! If it was truely Electronic Shutter then there would be no need to present a separate Silent Mode shooting section!!completely, so I assume that somehow they have minimized any rolling shutter effect.
One of the websites must have a typo - I expect the UK site to be the one in error.
If I'm wrong please can you point me at the relevant info.
Before switching to mirrorless last year, I thought optical viewfinder was a plus point of DSLR, but really it isn't electronic view finder is so much better, you can see the exposure (and focus peaking if manual focussing) before pressing the shutter button.
The main thing that attracted me to mirrorless was the size/weight advantages, although going from full frame to APS-C helped there.
The main thing that attracted me to mirrorless was the size/weight advantages, although going from full frame to APS-C helped there.
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