Full frame from DX....how much difference?
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Simpo Two said:
Why do you want to make the jump? FF kit is bigger, heavier and lenses generally more expensive.
I dont *particularly", I just want a much better body, and its eems like the D300 isnt the upgrade I want.
GFWilliams said:
D700 in DX mode is terrible
Is probably all I need to hear....D700 in DX mode will turn in perfectly good results but is only about 5Mp. To play that game you need a D800, the bonkers resolution of which leaves you with 15Mp.
Turn7 said:
I dont *particularly", I just want a much better body, and its eems like the D300 isnt the upgrade I want.
Better how? Or is the gear fetish demon nibbling at your shoulder? Simpo Two said:
D700 in DX mode will turn in perfectly good results but is only about 5Mp. To play that game you need a D800, the bonkers resolution of which leaves you with 15Mp.
Bit of both I suspect!Turn7 said:
I dont *particularly", I just want a much better body, and its eems like the D300 isnt the upgrade I want.
Better how? Or is the gear fetish demon nibbling at your shoulder? I feel my 200 is holding back a bit and would like something that is more sympathetic to my needs. I am thinking a lot more about how I shoot, mainly because I cant just leave it to the camera.
D200?
If you shoot high ISO then a modern FF body like the D700, D800, 6dc etc will slaughter it by 3 or 4 stops
At base ISO your looking at increased resolution and sharpness (even for 12mp d700) better colour range and graduation, more dynamic range etc.
But it will only show on decent sized prints, for web images you mostly wouldnt be able to tell.
If you shoot high ISO then a modern FF body like the D700, D800, 6dc etc will slaughter it by 3 or 4 stops
At base ISO your looking at increased resolution and sharpness (even for 12mp d700) better colour range and graduation, more dynamic range etc.
But it will only show on decent sized prints, for web images you mostly wouldnt be able to tell.
Turn7 said:
I feel my 200 is holding back a bit and would like something that is more sympathetic to my needs. I am thinking a lot more about how I shoot, mainly because I cant just leave it to the camera.
Well I'm the first to admit the D200 is not good at high ISO - but then somehow all the great togs of the past managed quite well without ISO 40,000!If you regularly want to shoot high quality at over ISO800 then yes, time for a newer body. But you don't define what the issue is other than being held back and sympathy. No DSLR is going to get you perfect results every time you press the button.
We'll put you down as 'gear fetish' - would Sir like to step this way into the den of shiny toys ?
Simpo Two said:
Turn7 said:
I feel my 200 is holding back a bit and would like something that is more sympathetic to my needs. I am thinking a lot more about how I shoot, mainly because I cant just leave it to the camera.
Well I'm the first to admit the D200 is not good at high ISO - but then somehow all the great togs of the past managed quite well without ISO 40,000!If you regularly want to shoot high quality at over ISO800 then yes, time for a newer body. But you don't define what the issue is other than being held back and sympathy. No DSLR is going to get you perfect results every time you press the button.
We'll put you down as 'gear fetish' - would Sir like to step this way into the den of shiny toys ?
Im just frustrated with my results of late, and fed up being stuck with 800ISO as useable.
I know the errors I made at Crufts could have been avoided, but IM disppointed with what I did get.
Id like to not have to continually worry about where my ISO is.
Im also pretty frustrated with Nikon too. Im pretty sure if I could buy a new D400 today, I would have pulled the trigger by now.
Id love a modern version of what I have now, with a better sensor, faster/better AF and most of the controls in the same place.
What Mr Carter said in my Crufts thread made me wonder if FF was the right way to go.
As mentioned, FF more expensive, but if you need indoor shots...
This taken handheld (tripod / flash not an option) with a D800. ISO bonkers. NOTHING like as bright as it looks:
Not saying it's a great pic, but there was not a chance I could have done that with my crop sensor Nikon. (Which I still use, but not indoors).
This taken handheld (tripod / flash not an option) with a D800. ISO bonkers. NOTHING like as bright as it looks:
Not saying it's a great pic, but there was not a chance I could have done that with my crop sensor Nikon. (Which I still use, but not indoors).
Edited by GetCarter on Sunday 16th March 13:16
Sensor quality has improved a lot in recent years to the point where, so long as the shot is exposed correctly, you don't need to worry about the ISO. It's always my last consideration after I've set the aperture and shutter speed I want. I use FF most of the time and I'll run the ISO up to 20,000 or more using available light knowing the shot will process okay.
Simpo Two said:
Don't forget that if you do go for FF, all your lenses - assuming they are not DX - will suddenly seem 33% shorter. That may rain on your parade a bit and you may end up replacing all your lenses too.
Yeah, I know that. Thats what makes the D400 thing irritate even more.I moved through D200 to D300 and then to D800. Each one represents a step change in quality. The FF D800 blows the D300 out of the water for high ISO but I had to seriously upgrade my Mac to cope with the files - they eat RAM and disc space. Also, the D800 is so finely detailed that the slightest amount of camera shake becomes visible.
If the budget will stretch that far, I'd look at the D600. It's FF and the high ISO is good. I gives DX format at 10Mpixels, which is pretty close to the D300's output. You could still use your DX lenses and take your time upgrading to FF lenses. Depending on what you shoot, you may only need a couple of 2nd hand primes to compliment your current kit.
If the budget will stretch that far, I'd look at the D600. It's FF and the high ISO is good. I gives DX format at 10Mpixels, which is pretty close to the D300's output. You could still use your DX lenses and take your time upgrading to FF lenses. Depending on what you shoot, you may only need a couple of 2nd hand primes to compliment your current kit.
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