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covboy

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Monday 26th November 2012
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crmcatee

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256 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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I would say - public area - no chance.

Simpo Two

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294 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Merthyr Tydfil County Borough Council said ‘The council has a duty of care during events to members of the public, and has the right to question all photographers'.

I wonder where they got that right from, and what will the questions be?




They'll be stopping foster parents from adopting children next. Oh hang on...

sparkyhx

4,200 posts

233 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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and our council tax has to pay for someone to do this utterly pointless task.

Piglet

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284 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Odd use of wording in their article though, "publicly-accessible Christmas lights event" it it was in a public area, on a high street or similar would they not have just said that? Makes me wonder if it was on Council owned property in which case the Council have the right to control photography as any land owner has.

covboy

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Monday 26th November 2012
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But can you see them stopping Mom or Dad taking photos on their phones of little Johnny dressed as an elf ?

Simpo Two

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294 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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covboy said:
But can you see them stopping Mom or Dad taking photos on their phones of little Johnny dressed as an elf ?
yes

DIW35

4,204 posts

229 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Best of luck to them trying to police that, muppets.

Pothole

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311 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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covboy said:
But can you see them stopping Mom or Dad taking photos on their phones of little Johnny dressed as an elf ?
I thought it was in Wales, not the USA.

covboy

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Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Pothole said:
covboy said:
But can you see them stopping Mom or Dad taking photos on their phones of little Johnny dressed as an elf ?
I thought it was in Wales, not the USA.
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Have you tried a bigger monitor ?

14-7

6,233 posts

220 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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If you have to pay to get in then I imagine they can impose any conditions they want even if it is in a public place (but barriered off).

If it is just a Christmas market in a normal area without restrictions then there is no chance whatsoever they can stop you taking photos.

mrmr96

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233 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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covboy said:
Link blocked at work, can anyone please copy/paste the content?
Cheers

covboy

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Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Quote from Amateur Photorapher Website




"Council officials have officially warned all photographers – including amateurs and those with camera phones – that they must seek permission to take pictures at council-run events, including those designed to celebrate Christmas.


Merthyr Tydfil County Borough Council confirmed the restrictions after freelance photographer Andrew Bartlett was told to stop taking pictures at a publicly-accessible Christmas lights event earlier this month.

Bartlett had complained that a ‘Santa assistant' – later revealed to be a council official – had approached him at a Christmas-themed market in the Welsh town.

In a statement, issued to Amateur Photographer (AP), the council said: ‘We understand the frustration of any photographer who may not be able to take photographs freely at events such as the Christmas Ilumination Ceremony, especially given their hobby and enthusiasm for photography.

‘However, as a local authority, we require all photographers and media agencies to secure permission from the council's Corporate Communications department prior to arriving on site.'

The council said it does not currently hold an official photography policy but that this is ‘being reviewed with a view to putting a policy in place in the near future'.

The statement continued: ‘The council has a duty of care during events to members of the public, and has the right to question all photographers.

‘We ask all those wishing to film or take photos to complete a media request in advance and ensure that all appropriate consents/permissions are secured during photography sessions.

‘As a result of this, should any photographer wish to attend any future council-run events to take photographs, we recommend that they contact the Corporate Communications department prior to the event in order for us to support any requests and advise accordingly.'

A council spokesperson said the same rules apply to members of the public using camera phones.

Bartlett today told AP that the council has since sent him a copy of the rules."


tim-b

1,279 posts

239 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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covboy said:
Quote from Amateur Photorapher Website


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‘As a result of this, should any photographer wish to attend any future council-run events to take photographs, we recommend that they contact the Corporate Communications department prior to the event in order for us to support any requests and advise accordingly.'

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Perhaps we should all do this, along with everyone in the country with a cameraphone. I wonder how the Merthyr Tydfil council would cope with 50,000,000 applications to the Corporate Communications department hehe

crmcatee

5,803 posts

256 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Shot off a note of disgust to their media office..

corporate.communications@merthyr.gov.uk


MartinP

1,275 posts

267 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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It looks like they don't even know why they're trying to stop/control photography. With the popularity of camera phones this is all unenforceable nonsense, but you can be sure will turn into just pick on the guy with an SLR...

Simpo Two

92,708 posts

294 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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MartinP said:
It looks like they don't even know why they're trying to stop/control photography.
Very possible; it is a Council's natural instinct to control everything regardless of logic or reason.

But in this case, it has been proven that all photographers are either terrorists, or paedophiles, in fact probably both, so must be stopped from, er, taking photographs. Yes, that's it. Policy approved. Next item - biscuits for coffee break: hob nobs or ginger nuts?

viggen114

259 posts

282 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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The link at the bottom of the article has this picture



is that santa's helper with a camera phone or the official photographer

Simpo Two

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294 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Good spot. She is taking photos of other (ie bad) people taking photos - same as traffic wardens will photograph your car for evidence.

The man in the foregound is about to have sex with a ruminant quadruped but there's no policy on that, so is OK.

Colin RedGriff

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286 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Simpo Two said:
Merthyr Tydfil County Borough Council said ‘The council has a duty of care during events to members of the public, and has the right to question all photographers'.
I don't understand how questioning photographers will ensure the council is carrying out its duty of care. What is the relationship between photographers taking pictures of Christmas lights, and harm occuring to members of the public?

I assume from this all encompassing duty of care also covers
All bags being searched for bombs and weapons.
All pavemments and road surfaces being repaired to ensure no one falls over
All council members being accompanied at all council events in case they harm themselves or a member of the public through stupidity