Canon 9500 mkii printer colour profiling?
Discussion
Hi PS,
I may be splitting hairs, but isn't it the "profile" that keeps things consistent? To expand, the output profile should be assigned to the file before printing should it not? It may be the proofer that needs a calibration. Failing that, if you have a monitor calibration that you are happy with, would it be an idea to formulate through testing, a bespoke output profile that ties the monitor to the printer?
Anyone else? I'm happy to be corrected.
Cheers, PP.
I may be splitting hairs, but isn't it the "profile" that keeps things consistent? To expand, the output profile should be assigned to the file before printing should it not? It may be the proofer that needs a calibration. Failing that, if you have a monitor calibration that you are happy with, would it be an idea to formulate through testing, a bespoke output profile that ties the monitor to the printer?
Anyone else? I'm happy to be corrected.
Cheers, PP.
Not sure to be honest, I havn't seen the prints from it yet, he was asking me this morning after plugging it in for the first time last night, I guess he assumed it would just print exactly the same as on the screen straight away.
I would imagine that his monitor isn't calibrated other than the auto setup within the monitor itself.
Could it be down to setting the profile for the paper he is using? he only uses canon branded paper though.
I would imagine that his monitor isn't calibrated other than the auto setup within the monitor itself.
Could it be down to setting the profile for the paper he is using? he only uses canon branded paper though.
Pixel Pusher said:
if you have a monitor calibration that you are happy with, would it be an idea to formulate through testing, a bespoke output profile that ties the monitor to the printer?
Would something like this help to do that then PP?http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Pri...
That software certainly looks right, however, it relies on the purchase / borrowing of the Eye One reader to read the output sheets, so if (and with the greatest respect) your uncle is a hobbyist, the outlay may not be justifiable. Also I would be prepared for some work and paper wastage.
If he is "serious", then it would worth investigating. We have tried the Eye One display calibration software / reults on our monitors here, but the guys don't like the results as it whacks the brigtness levels way up and can be harsh on the eyes so we dismissed that and have our monitors virtually on factory settings. Mac 30" cinema displays. We rely on our stable Adobe 98 RGB - Fogra39L CMYK workflow through Epson 4880's but I digress.
I think he needs to start with the simple stuff first. As you say, ensure that the Canon is "set" for the correct media. Run a test page that has a cross section of images. Bright colours, flesh tones, neutrals, shadows, 3/4 tones and then play with the monitor settings to see if he can force the monitor to mimic the proof as a best compromise / balance.
As I said, if he is not doing this as a profession, he may tolerate a +/- 10% innaccuracy. Viewing conditions will play a factor as you know as well.
Apart from that there's not a great deal more I can think of, but if I do, I'll be sure to post here. Feel free to ask other things I may have missed though.
Cheers, PP.
If he is "serious", then it would worth investigating. We have tried the Eye One display calibration software / reults on our monitors here, but the guys don't like the results as it whacks the brigtness levels way up and can be harsh on the eyes so we dismissed that and have our monitors virtually on factory settings. Mac 30" cinema displays. We rely on our stable Adobe 98 RGB - Fogra39L CMYK workflow through Epson 4880's but I digress.
I think he needs to start with the simple stuff first. As you say, ensure that the Canon is "set" for the correct media. Run a test page that has a cross section of images. Bright colours, flesh tones, neutrals, shadows, 3/4 tones and then play with the monitor settings to see if he can force the monitor to mimic the proof as a best compromise / balance.
As I said, if he is not doing this as a profession, he may tolerate a +/- 10% innaccuracy. Viewing conditions will play a factor as you know as well.
Apart from that there's not a great deal more I can think of, but if I do, I'll be sure to post here. Feel free to ask other things I may have missed though.
Cheers, PP.
Pixel-Snapper said:
Hi folks,
My uncle has just purchased a Canon 9500 mkii printer and the colours seem to be coming out different to the monitor..
Now im sure that this is down to the colour profile needs to be calibrated, but I cant remember if this is done on the printer or the monitor.
Any thoughts?
Both the monitor and the printer need to be calibrated. The printer will need to be calibrated for every type of paper stock you intend to use.My uncle has just purchased a Canon 9500 mkii printer and the colours seem to be coming out different to the monitor..
Now im sure that this is down to the colour profile needs to be calibrated, but I cant remember if this is done on the printer or the monitor.
Any thoughts?
Oldred_V8S said:
Both the monitor and the printer need to be calibrated. The printer will need to be calibrated for every type of paper stock you intend to use.
As much as I thought Oldred.Told him he proberly need to calibrate both monitor/printer with something like a spyder/eye one peice of hardware. Unfazed he told me to just go and order whatever I think he needed to make it print right
which was nice as it means I can nick it and do my screens too...Pixel-Snapper said:
As much as I thought Oldred.
Told him he proberly need to calibrate both monitor/printer with something like a spyder/eye one peice of hardware. Unfazed he told me to just go and order whatever I think he needed to make it print right which was nice as it means I can nick it and do my screens too...
Sounds like a result!Told him he proberly need to calibrate both monitor/printer with something like a spyder/eye one peice of hardware. Unfazed he told me to just go and order whatever I think he needed to make it print right
which was nice as it means I can nick it and do my screens too...
Pixel-Snapper said:
As much as I thought Oldred.
Told him he proberly need to calibrate both monitor/printer with something like a spyder/eye one peice of hardware. Unfazed he told me to just go and order whatever I think he needed to make it print right which was nice as it means I can nick it and do my screens too...
Can thoroughly recommend the ColorMunki. There is a bit of a gotcha when calibrating the Canon printers, it involves the default profile you need to use when you print the first targets, when you get one drop me a mail and I will advise what you need to do.Told him he proberly need to calibrate both monitor/printer with something like a spyder/eye one peice of hardware. Unfazed he told me to just go and order whatever I think he needed to make it print right
which was nice as it means I can nick it and do my screens too...Unless the interface has changed a lot recently setting up a Canon printer to give a reasonable colour match is a bit of a dark art.
If all the colours look very wrong (about 24 hours after printing) you need to look at the entire print flow and make sure things are not being double profiled.
Not sure about the 9500 but usally the Canons come with a simple user application that does understand what it is talking to and usually gived good results. So if I were you I would try a standard test print jpg file through that utility to see what you get as a baseline.
That said the 9500 is targetted at the low volume end of the Pro market and as such may not offer much by way of help to the uninitiated.
Which application is he printing from? Is it set to (in theory) allow the printer to deal with colour management or is the application trying to do it? Is he printing from a Windows machine?
FWIW this review of the pre-Mk2 9500 from 2007 may be of interest. Several pages - there's a drop down list to describe the content of each page. Bear in mind that it was written in 2007 ...
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Canon...
If all the colours look very wrong (about 24 hours after printing) you need to look at the entire print flow and make sure things are not being double profiled.
Not sure about the 9500 but usally the Canons come with a simple user application that does understand what it is talking to and usually gived good results. So if I were you I would try a standard test print jpg file through that utility to see what you get as a baseline.
That said the 9500 is targetted at the low volume end of the Pro market and as such may not offer much by way of help to the uninitiated.
Which application is he printing from? Is it set to (in theory) allow the printer to deal with colour management or is the application trying to do it? Is he printing from a Windows machine?
FWIW this review of the pre-Mk2 9500 from 2007 may be of interest. Several pages - there's a drop down list to describe the content of each page. Bear in mind that it was written in 2007 ...
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/interactive/Canon...
Pixel-Snapper said:
That system just calibrates the monitor, then allows you to check that prints are right, it cannot do anything about it if the prints are wrong.There afaik only 2 consumer viable systems, the colormunki photo, and the spyder print calibrator, the spyder one needs a separate screen and print device, so works out a little more expensive and can't quite do some of the colormunki features like projector calibration.
If you get a printer profiling solution, you need software that can use the profile to print, I don't know enough about the various adobe options to advise on them i'm afraid. As mentioned above, profiling canons can be tricky, but there does appear to be a lot of advice and knowledge about it now.
I have the colormunki and find the software a bit simplistic, but there is a powerful 3-party solution available open-source, if you want to dabble.
If the old fella is using genuine ink on canon paper, I might be tempted to get the cheaper screen profiling kit, and use the canon supplied profiles for the paper, this may well be close enough to satisfy, I only got the colormunki as I use 3rd party ink and off-brand paper.
Cabinet Enforcer said:
If the old fella is using genuine ink on canon paper, I might be tempted to get the cheaper screen profiling kit, and use the canon supplied profiles for the paper, this may well be close enough to satisfy, I only got the colormunki as I use 3rd party ink and off-brand paper.
Think this is what im going for....The printer has pre set profiles and he only ever uses canon ink and paper.... its a branding thing!
But interesting stuff so far.
I would imagine that he's just plugged it in and expected it too produce prints straight off, i did mention to him before the purchase that it would be so easy with a high tuned A3 print, we used them at uni and i remember the techie was forever having to set it up.
I think i need to go round and have a look at whats going on with the prints at some point, sounds like lips are coming out bright pink and the flesh tones all come out dark brown?
I would imagine that he's just plugged it in and expected it too produce prints straight off, i did mention to him before the purchase that it would be so easy with a high tuned A3 print, we used them at uni and i remember the techie was forever having to set it up.
I think i need to go round and have a look at whats going on with the prints at some point, sounds like lips are coming out bright pink and the flesh tones all come out dark brown?
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