First Play.. GT4 Prologue !!

First Play.. GT4 Prologue !!

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Pierscoe1

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2,458 posts

267 months

Tuesday 20th January 2004
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Well it arrived this morning.. so we've been playing it most of the day rather than working..

unfortunately, I have to say that the first half an hours impression.. is rather underwhelming.

I understand that there are unlockable cars (maybe tracks too), but I can't read japanese, so it's difficult to tell...

the selection of cars you start off with is utter Shte... nothing remotely exciting, or even anything new, save for a VERY slow datsun.

also only 5 tracks to start with...

2 circuits which look pretty similar to GT3, but with more contrast, slightly higher poly-counts, and nice lighting

2 cities.. New York and an Italian town. BOth look very nice, but nothing groundbreaking.

1 Grand Canyon! this track looks absolutely awesome.. the canyon is beautiful. crowds that wave and move back if you approach, people taking photos in the middle of the road and leaping away at the last minute.. V.nice. only problem is that the track is lined with invisible walls.. i.e. you can't drive onto the grass or anything like that.. the driveable area is also very narrow, so you hit these invisible walls often, completely destroying the illusion.

You have to do THE MOST TEDIOUS licenses to get other cars.. which, for a demo, I really couldn't be arsed to do.. yet.

I will persuade someone else in the office to do these, and then have another go with the unlocked cars

also, there's only arcade mode, so no simulation tyres, so you can't get a proper fell for what their supposed new handling physics has done for the game... in arcade, the cars do seem to slide a little more than in GT3, but nothing approaching the simulation tyres....

to sum up:

not all that impressed with the demo.. but hopefully the variety of cars will save it...

bad boy

821 posts

270 months

Wednesday 21st January 2004
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is the handling basically the same then? do they always understeer unless you powerslide, or left foot brake(so to speak)all the time?

RichardD

3,607 posts

251 months

Wednesday 21st January 2004
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Pierscoe1 said:

also, there's only arcade mode, so no simulation tyres, so you can't get a proper fell for what their supposed new handling physics has done for the game... in arcade, the cars do seem to slide a little more than in GT3, but nothing approaching the simulation tyres....

to sum up:

not all that impressed with the demo.. but hopefully the variety of cars will save it...


Having only just been playing GT3 for a while (cos it was cheap and the g/f got a PS2 as a prezzie), I'm interested in the dynamics.... A friend with Proj. Gothem II remarked that with each new car it is like learning to drive again. I've tried it briefly and can say that a Cobra doesn't turn into corners as well like a Caterham. Just like reality then. He said the Noble can be chucked into corners at silly speeds. More reality.

Anyway, it is me, or in Gran Turismo (4 included) is there no real concept of accurate handling (i.e. a standard MR2 Mk 2 should be a sack of lard round corners compared to an Elise) ? With the huge number of cars in GT4 is the performance of cars going to be based on power/weight? Saying all this though, having the ability to modify cars means that there are too many variables to model?

Anyone got any links to more information on this subject?


DMc

711 posts

260 months

Wednesday 21st January 2004
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What Cars are on is it like this list

GT4 cars list

Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
Acura DN-X Concept
Acura Integra GS-R ‘92
Acura NSX Alex Zanardi Edition ‘99
Acura RSX Type-S ‘03
Acura TSX ‘04
Alfa Romeo 1300 Junior Zagato ‘71
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA ‘03
Alfa Romeo 155 V6 TI Race Car ‘93
Alfa Romeo 156 Super Turismo Race Car ‘01
Alfa Romeo 158 Formula 1 ‘50
Alfa Romeo 1600 Duetto Spider ‘66
Alfa Romeo 166 3.0 V6 24V ‘98
Alfa Romeo 179 Formula 1 ‘80
Alfa Romeo 33 TT12 Race Car
Alfa Romeo 33-2 Race Car
Alfa Romeo 33-2 Stradale ‘67
Alfa Romeo GTV ‘03
Alfa Romeo GTV ‘73
Alfa Romeo Montreal ‘70
Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0 V6 ‘98
AMC AMX
AMC Javelin
Aston Martin AMV8 Vantage Concept ‘03
Aston Martín DB AR1 ‘03
Aston Martin DB2 ‘50
Aston Martin DB3S Race Car ‘53
Aston Martin DB4 GT ‘58
Aston Martin DB5 ‘64
Aston Martin DB6 ‘66
Aston Martin DB7 ‘99
Aston Martin DB7 GT ‘03
Aston Martin Lagonda ‘82
Aston Martin V12 Vanquish ‘00
Aston Martin V8 Vantage
Aston Martin Virage ‘88
Audi 100 Coupe S ‘69
Audi A4 Touring Race Car
Audi TT-R ABT Race Car ‘02
Audi RS6 Geneva Avant ‘02
Audi R8 Race Car ‘03
Audi RS2
Audi RS4 Avant ‘95
Audi S3 ‘04
Audi S4 ‘01
Audi S6 ‘99
Audi S8 ‘01
Audi Sport Quattro ‘84
Audi Sport Quattro S1 Rally Car ‘85
Audi Steppenwolf
Bentley Arnage T ‘02
Bentley Azure ‘05
Bentley EXP Speed 8 Race Car ‘02
BMW 2002 Race Car
BMW 2002 Turbo ‘74
BMW 320 Turbo Race Car ‘78
BMW 323i Coupe
BMW 330i ‘03
BMW 507 ‘56
BMW 540
BMW 700 RS Race Car ‘60
BMW 750iL
BMW 840Ci Sports
BMW LMR Race Car
BMW M Coupe ‘01
BMW M1 ‘80
BMW M1 Race Car ‘80
BMW M3 ‘01
BMW M3 Evo III ‘90
BMW M3 GTR Race Car ‘01
BMW M3 GTR Strassenversion ‘02
BMW M5 ‘01
BMW M5 ‘94
BMW M6 635 CSi ‘84
BMW X Coupe Concept
BMW X5 Le Mans Concept ‘00
BMW Z1 ‘86
BMW Z3 M Roadster ‘01
BMW Z4 3.0i ‘03
BMW Z8 ‘00
BMW Z9 Concept ‘99
Bugatti 16/4 Veyron ‘02
Bugatti EB Veyron 16-4 Quad Turbo
Bugatti EB110 GT ‘94
Bugatti LMP Race Car
Cadillac Cien Concept ‘02
Cadillac Eldorado ‘67
Cadillac Eldorado ETC
Cadillac Evoq Concept ‘99
Cadillac LMP-02 Race Car ‘02
Cadillac Steinmetz Catera Concept ‘99
Callaway C12-R
Callaway C12-R Race Car ‘01
Caterham 21
Caterham 7
Caterham Super 7
Chevrolet Camaro ‘69
Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary
Chevrolet Camaro SS ‘01
Chevrolet Camaro SS ‘69
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 ‘01
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 ‘77
Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 ‘69
Chevrolet Cavalier 2.2 Turbo Concept ‘02
Chevrolet Cavalier Z24
Chevrolet Chevelle SS ‘68
Chevrolet Corvair ‘63
Chevrolet Corvette 427 Stingray ‘69
Chevrolet Corvette 50th Anniversary ‘03
Chevrolet Corvette Astrovette Concept Car
Chevrolet Corvette C5R ‘01
Chevrolet Corvette CERV III Concept ‘90
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport ‘63
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport ‘96
Chevrolet Corvette Split-window Coupe ‘63
Chevrolet Corvette XP-830 Mako Shark II Concept ‘65
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 ‘03
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 ‘93
Chevrolet El Camino SS ‘69
Chevrolet Impala SS
Chevrolet Malibu Cruiser Concept ‘01
Chevrolet Monte Carlo DuPont Race Car ‘01
Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS ‘01
Chevrolet Nova Concorde ‘76
Chevrolet SSR Concept ‘03
Chrysler 300M Special
Chrysler Atlantic
Chrysler Chronos Concept ‘98
Chrysler Crossfire ‘04
Chrysler GT Cruiser Concept
Chrysler LMP Race Car ‘01
Citroen C5
Citroen C-Airdream ‘02
Citroen Saxo 1.6I VTS
Citroen Saxo Rally Car
Citroen Xantia 3.0i V6 Exclusive
Citroen Xantia Rally Car
Citroen Xsara 1.8I 16V Exclusive
Citroen Xsara T4 WRC Rally Car ‘03
Citroen ZX Raid Car Paris Dakar
Daewoo Mya
Daewoo No. 1 Concept ‘96
Daewoo Nubira X
Daihatsu Copen Concept ‘01
Daihatsu Feroza ‘93
Daihatsu Mira TR (4WD) ‘98
Daihatsu Mira TR-XX ‘90
Daihatsu Move SR-XX (4WD) ‘97
Daihatsu Opti Club Sports (2WD) ‘97
Daihatsu Storia Rally Car
Daihatsu Storia X4 ‘98
Datsun 240Z ‘69
Datsun 260Z ‘74
Datsun 280Z
Datsun 510 ‘70
De Tomaso Mangusta ‘69
De Tomaso Pantera GT5-S ‘86
DMC-12 Delorean ‘81
Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi ‘70
Dodge Charger Daytona 500 Race Car ‘70
Dodge Charger R/T ‘69
Dodge Charger R/T Concept ‘99
Dodge Copperhead Concept ‘97
Dodge ESX3 Concept
Dodge Hennessey Venom 650R
Dodge Intrepid Police Edition
Dodge Intrepid R/T Race Car ‘02
Dodge Neon R/T ‘01
Dodge Neon SRT-4 ‘03
Dodge Ram SRT-10 ‘04
Dodge Razor Concept ‘02
Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo ‘91
Dodge Stratus Touring Race Car
Dodge Stratus Turbo Concept ‘02
Dodge Super8 Hemi Concept
Dodge Venom Concept ‘94
Dodge Viper ACR ‘00
Dodge Viper GTS ‘02
Dodge Viper GTS-R Race Car ‘98
Dodge Viper SRT-10 ‘03
Dodge Viper SRT-10 Competition Race Car ‘03
Fiat 124 Spyder
Fiat 500
Fiat 600
Fiat 850 Vignale Spyder ‘65
Fiat Abarth 1000 Race Car
Fiat Barchetta ‘03
Fiat Coupe 2.0 20V Turbo Plus ‘98
Fiat Punto Abarth Rally Car ‘02
Fiat Punto GT
Ford 427 Concept ‘03
Ford Capri
Ford Cortina Rally Car
Ford Cougar ‘02
Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor
Ford Escort Cosworth RS
Ford Escort Rally Car
Ford F150 SVT Lightning ‘00
Ford Fairlane ‘75
Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo
Ford Falcon XR8 V8 Supercar Race Car
Ford Fiesta Rally Car Concept ‘02
Ford Focus FR200 Concept ‘00
Ford Focus Ghia 2.0 ‘98
Ford Focus RS WRC Rally Car ‘02
Ford Focus SVT ‘02
Ford Focus ZX3
Ford GT40 ‘03
Ford GT40 Mk1 Race Car ‘68
Ford GT70 Race Car ‘70
Ford GT90 Concept ‘95
Ford Ka ‘99
Ford Mondeo ST220
Ford Mondeo Super Touring Race Car ‘99
Ford Mustang Boss 429 ‘70
Ford Mustang Boss Concept ‘00
Ford Mustang Cobra R ‘00
Ford Mustang FR500 Concept ‘99
Ford Mustang GT ‘82
Ford Mustang GT ‘94
Ford Mustang GT Concept ‘03
Ford Mustang Mach 1 ‘03
Ford Mustang Mach 1 Fastback ‘69
Ford Mustang Mach III Concept ‘93
Ford Mustang Super Stallion Concept ‘98
Ford Probe GT ‘95
Ford Puma Rally Car
Ford Puma ST160 ‘99
Ford RS200 ‘85
Ford Sierra Cosworth
Ford Sierra RS500
Ford StreetKa ‘03
Ford Th!nk Concept
Ford Thunderbird ‘65
Ford Thunderbird Supercharged Concept ‘03
Ford Torino Race Car
Ford XR8 Xplod Concept ‘01
Gillet Vertigo ‘97
Gillet Vertigo Race Car ‘98
Heuliez Pregunta Concept
Holden Commodore V8 Supercar Race Car
Holden HSV HRT 27 ‘02
Holden Monaro CV8 ‘02
Honda Accord Concept ‘02
Honda Accord Coupe V6 ‘03
Honda Accord Euro-R ‘00
Honda Accord SiR-T ‘98
Honda Accord Type-R Touring Car Race Car
Honda Accord Wagon 2300VTL 4WD ‘97
Honda Beat Version Z ‘94
Honda City Type-Z ‘02
Honda Civic (EK) SiR ‘98
Honda Civic (EK) Type R ‘03
Honda Civic Mugen Si ‘02
Honda Civic R Race Car
Honda Civic Si Concept ‘02
Honda Civic Vti ‘93
Honda CRX SiR ‘89
Honda del Sol LM Edition
Honda Dualnote Concept ‘01
Honda Integra LM Race Car
Honda Integra Type R ‘02
Honda Jazz/Fit ‘01
Honda Life T Type ‘98
Honda Logo TS ‘98
Honda Mugen SS2200 Concept ‘00
Honda NSX Castrol Mugen JGTC ‘00
Honda NSX Coupe ‘02
Honda NSX Loctite Mugen ‘01
Honda NSX Mobil 1 ‘01
Honda NSX Type S Zero ‘97
Honda NSX-R Concept ‘01
Honda NSX-R Prototype ‘01
Honda NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car
Honda Prelude 2.2 Vtec ‘03
Honda Prelude Si Vtec ‘91
Honda Prelude SiR S spec ‘98
Honda RA272 Formula 1 ‘65
Honda S2000 ‘01
Honda S2000 GT1
Honda Z Turbo ‘98
HSV Commodore
HSV GTS GEN3
HSV Monaro GTS
Hyundai Accent WRC Rally Car ‘02
Hyundai Clix Concept ‘01
Hyundai Tiburon GT V6
Hyundai Tiburon Rally Car
Infiniti/Nissan FX45
Infiniti/Nissan G35 Sport Coupe ‘03
Infiniti/Nissan Q45
Jaguar D-Type Works Race Car ‘54
Jaguar E-Type S3 ‘72
Jaguar F-Type Concept ‘00
Jaguar R-Coupe Concept ‘01
Jaguar S-Type R
Jaguar XJ 220 Race Car
Jaguar XJ series ‘03
Jaguar XJ220 ‘93
Jaguar XJR ‘04
Jaguar XJR-15 Race Car ‘90
Jaguar XJR-9LM Race Car ‘88
Jaguar XJR-S V12 Celebration Coupe ‘88
Jaguar XK180 Concept ‘00
Jaguar XKR ‘00
Jaguar XKR Trans-Am Race Car ‘02
Jaguar X-Type Racing Concept ‘02
Kia Magentis
Kia Rio
Kia Spectra Touring Car
Koenigsegg CC 8S ‘02
Koenigsegg CC Concept ‘98
Lamborghini 400 GT ‘66
Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary ‘89
Lamborghini Diablo JGTC
Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0 SE ‘01
Lamborghini Espada 400 GTE S2 ‘69
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lamborghini Miura P400 ‘68
Lamborghini Murcielago ‘02
Lamborghini Urraco P300 ‘76
Lancia 037 Rally Evo 2 Rally Car ‘83
Lancia Beta Monte Carlo Race Car ‘81
Lancia Carcerano Gran Turismo Concept ‘02
Lancia Delta S4 Rally Car ‘85
Lancia Stratos ‘72
Lancia Stratos Rally Car
Lancia Thema 8.32
Lexus/Toyota GS300/400 ‘96
Lexus/Toyota IS300 ‘02
Lexus/Toyota IS300 Sportcross ‘02
Lexus/Toyota IS430 Concept
Lexus/Toyota SC300/400 ‘96
Lexus/Toyota SC430 ‘01
Lexus/Toyota SC430 Pace Car ‘02
Lincoln LS
Lincoln Mk VII
Lincoln MK9 Coupe Concept ‘01
Lister Le Mans ‘90
Lister Storm GT2 ‘99
Lotus 11 S2 Le Mans ‘57
Lotus 18 Formula 1 ‘60
Lotus 340R
Lotus 46 Europa S1 ‘66
Lotus 49B Formula 1 ‘70
Lotus Carlton ‘89
Lotus Elan S2 ‘64
Lotus Elan S2 ‘90
Lotus Elan S4 Sprint ‘71
Lotus Elise ‘02
Lotus Elise 190
Lotus Elise GT1
Lotus Elise II Type 25 ‘02
Lotus Elite ‘63
Lotus Esprit GT2
Lotus Esprit S1 ‘76
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ‘99
Lotus Esprit X180R Race Car ‘91
Lotus Europa Race Car
Lotus Exige ‘00
Lotus M250 Concept ‘00
Lotus Sport Elise Race Car ‘00
Maserati 3200GT
Maserati 320S Concept ‘01
Maserati 5000 GT Touring ‘59
Maserati BiTurbo Si ‘87
Maserati Quattroporte IV ‘94
Maserati Sebring ‘62
Mazda MX-6 GT ‘91
Mazda 323 4wd Rally Car
Mazda 323 MPS Concept ‘01
Mazda 626
Mazda 767B Race Car ‘89
Mazda 787B Race Car ‘91
Mazda AZ-1 A-Spec
Mazda Cosmo Concept ‘03
Mazda Cosmo Sport ‘68
Mazda Eunos Cosmo 20B Type-E CCS ‘94
Mazda Lantis Coupe 2000 Type-R ‘93
Mazda Mazdaspeed Protégé ‘02
Mazda Miata V-Special ‘93
Mazda MX Sportif ‘03
Mazda MX-3 ‘90
Mazda MX-5 ‘89
Mazda MX-5 ‘98
Mazda MX-5 1.8i ‘00
Mazda MX-5 MPS Concept ‘01
Mazda RX-01
Mazda RX-2 ‘70
Mazda RX-3 ‘71
Mazda RX-4
Mazda RX-7 ‘76
Mazda RX-7 ‘86
Mazda RX-7 GTUs ‘89
Mazda RX7 RE Amemiya Race Car
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R ‘02
Mazda RX7 Type RS ‘98
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ ‘00
Mazda RX-8 ‘02
Mazda RX-8 LM Race Car
Mazda RX-7 Savanna GT-Turbo (SA22C) ‘83
Mazda Xedos Super Touring Race Car
MCC Smart
MCC Smart Coupe
Mercedes Benz CLK GTR
Mercedes Benz W196 Formula 1 ‘56
Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II ‘90
Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3 ‘68
Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing ‘56
Mercedes-Benz 380SL Convertible ‘80
Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC Rally Car ‘78
Mercedes-Benz AMG A32K ‘02
Mercedes-Benz AMG C55
Mercedes-Benz AMG CL65 ‘03
Mercedes-Benz AMG E55
Mercedes-Benz AMG S63 ‘01
Mercedes-Benz AMG SL73 Roadster ‘95
Mercedes-Benz AMG SLK32 ‘01
Mercedes-Benz C112 Concept
Mercedes-Benz C230 Sport Coupe
Mercedes-Benz C9 Race Car
Mercedes-Benz CIII ‘69
Mercedes-Benz CLE concept
Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM Race Car ‘02
Mercedes-Benz CLK GTR Super Sport ‘02
Mercedes-Benz CLR ‘99
Mercedes-Benz SLR
Mercury Comet
Mercury Cougar ‘99
Mercury Cougar Eliminator ‘70
Mercury Marauder ‘03
Merkur XR4Ti ‘87
MG EX257 LMP
MG TF Xpower 500 ‘02
MG ZT XPower 500
Mini Cooper 1.3i
Mini Cooper Race Car
Mini Cooper S Works ‘02
Mitsubishi 3000GT (GTO) ‘92
Mitsubishi 3000GT (GTO) Twin Turbo ‘92
Mitsubishi 3000GT (GTO) Twin Turbo ‘95
Mitsubishi 3000GT (GTO) Twin Turbo ‘99
Mitsubishi 3000GT LM
Mitsubishi 3000GT (GTO) VR-4 ‘00
Mitsubishi Colt ‘78
Mitsubishi Colt SR 4X ‘02
Mitsubishi CZ3 Tarmac ‘01
Mitsubishi Eclipse ‘02
Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX ‘97
Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R ‘97
Mitsubishi Galant GT-Z ‘03
Mitsubishi Galant Super VR-4 ‘98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution ‘92
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II ‘94
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II Rally Car ‘94
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III GSR ‘95
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III Rally Car ‘95
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR ‘96
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car ‘97
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Rally Car ‘93
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V GSR ‘98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V Rally Car ‘98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution V RS ‘98
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR ‘99
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR Tommi Makkinen Edition ‘00
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI Rally Car ‘99
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI RS ‘99
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII GSR ‘01
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII Rally Car ‘01
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VII RS ‘01
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII ‘03
Mitsubishi Lancer GS-R ‘85
Mitsubishi Legnum Super VR4 ‘98
Mitsubishi Mine’s Lancer Evolution VI ‘00
Mitsubishi Mirage Asti RX-R ‘98
Mitsubishi Mirage Cyborg R ‘92
Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution ‘03
Mitsubishi RPM 7000 Concept
Mitsubishi Starion Turbo ‘82
Mitsubishi Taeivon Trampio FTO
Morgan Aero 8 ‘02
Morgan Aero 8 GT Race Car ‘02Nismo 270R ‘94
Nismo 350Z Concept ‘02
Nismo 400R ‘97
Nissan mm ‘01
Nissan 200SX ‘96
Nissan 300ZX ‘90
Nissan 300ZX Version R 2by2 Twin Turbo ‘98
Nissan 300ZX Version S 2seater Twin Turbo ‘94
Nissan 300ZX Version S 2seater Twin Turbo ‘98
Nissan 350Z Gran Turismo Aero ‘02
Nissan 350Z Razo Version ‘01
Nissan Altima 3.5 SE
Nissan Cedric
Nissan Cefiro
Nissan Cima
Nissan GT-R Concept ‘01
Nissan GT-R Concept LM
Nissan March Super Turbo ‘89
Nissan Maxima ‘04
Nissan Mid4 Concept ‘85
Nissan Mine’s Skyline GT-RN1 Vspec(R34) ‘00
Nissan mm R ‘01
Nissan Nismo GT-R LM Road Car (R33) ‘95
Nissan Nismo GT-R Race Car
Nissan NP35 ‘92
Nissan Primera 2.0Te ‘90
Nissan Primera GT Race Car ‘99
Nissan Pulsar Gti-R ‘91
Nissan Pulsar VZ-R N1 ‘97
Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car ‘98
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car ‘98
Nissan R89C Race Car ‘89
Nissan Sentra SE-R V Spec ‘02
Nissan Sileighty
Nissan Silhouette
Nissan Silvia C-West Razo ‘00
Nissan Silvia K’s (S14) ‘96
Nissan Silvia K’s Aero SE Sports Package (S14) ‘98
Nissan Silvia Spec R Aero (S15) ‘99
Nissan Skyline 2000 GTR ‘69
Nissan Skyline 25GT Turbo (R34) ‘98
Nissan Skyline 300GT ‘01
Nissan Skyline Blitz GT-R R348 ‘99
Nissan Skyline Calsonic GT-R ‘00
Nissan Skyline Gran Turismo GT-R V Spec (R34) Pace Car
Nissan Skyline GT-R ‘70
Nissan Skyline GT-R Autotech Version 40th Anniversary (R33) ‘97
Nissan Skyline GT-R M Spec 34 ‘01
Nissan Skyline GT-R Nismo (R32) ‘90
Nissan Skyline GT-R Nur Edition
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec (R32) ‘93
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec (R33) ‘97
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec (R34) ‘99
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec II (R32) ‘94
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec II (R34) ‘00
Nissan Skyline GTS25 Type S (R32) ‘91
Nissan Skyline GTS-4 (R32) ‘91
Nissan Skyline GTS-R (R31) ‘87
Nissan Skyline HKS Drag Car
Nissan Skyline Loctite Zexel GT-R ‘00
Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R LM Race Car ‘95
Nissan Skyline RS-X Turbo Intercooler (DR3) ‘84
Nissan Stagea 25t RS Four V ‘98
Nissan Stagea Autech Version 260RS ‘98
Nissan Stillen 300 GTZ ‘93
Nissan Sunny B110
Nissan Xanavi Hiroto GT-R ‘01
Oldsmobile Alero OSV Concept ‘00
Oldsmobile Aurora GTS Race Car
Oldsmobile Toronado ‘67
Opel Ascona
Opel Astra SRi 2.0i 16V
Opel Astra V8 Coupe Race Car ‘02
Opel Astra Xtreme Concept ‘01
Opel Calibra DTM Race Car
Opel Calibra Turbo ‘91
Opel Corsa GSi OPC
Opel Corsa Sport 1.6i 16V
Opel GT
Opel Manta
Opel Speedster ‘00
Opel Tigra 1.6I
Opel Tigra Ice Race Car
Opel Vectra 2.0 16V
Opel Vectra Super Touring Race Car
Pagani Zonda C12 ‘99
Pagani Zonda C12-S 7.3 ‘02
Panoz AIV Roadster
Panoz Esperante ‘01
Panoz GTR
Panoz Le Mans Racer ‘01
Panoz LMP 07 ‘01
Peugeot 106 1.6 S16
Peugeot 106 Rally Car ‘94
Peugeot 205 T16 Rally Car ‘85
Peugeot 206 GTi ‘00
Peugeot 206 Rally Car
Peugeot 405 T16 Vatanen Pikes Peak Car
Peugeot 406 3.0 V6 Coupe
Peugeot 406 Super Touring Race Car
Peugeot 607 Feline Concept ‘00
Peugeot 905 LM Race Car ‘90
Peugeot Oxia Concept
Plymouth GTX
Plymouth Hemi ‘Cuda ‘70
Plymouth Pronto Cruiser Concept ‘98
Plymouth Pronto Spyder Concept ‘98
Plymouth Prowler ‘00
Plymouth Road Runner
Plymouth Superbird
Pontiac Fiero SE ‘84
Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 ‘70
Pontiac Firebird Trans Am WS6 ‘02
Pontiac G6 Concept ‘03
Pontiac Grand Prix G-Force Concept ‘02
Pontiac GTO ‘04
Pontiac GTO Judge ‘70
Pontiac Rageous Concept ‘97
Pontiac Solstice Coupe ‘02
Pontiac Sunfire Touring Race Car
Renault 5 Turbo 2 ‘84
Renault 5 Turbo Rally Car
Renault Clio Cup Race Car
Renault Clio Williams
Renault Espace F1 Concept ‘95
Renault Laguna Touring Race Car ‘99
Renault Megane Rally car
Renault Clio Sport V6 Evo II ‘03
Rolls-Royce Corniche Convertible ‘00
Rolls-Royce Phantom ‘03
Rover 25
Rover 45
Rover 75
Rover ZS
RUF 3.4 ‘87
RUF 3400S ‘00
RUF 911 Turbo R ‘01
RUF BTR 3.8 ‘93
RUF CTR-2 Sport ‘97
RUF RGT ‘00
RUF Turbo R ‘98
Saab 9-3 Viggen Coupe ‘99
Saab 9-3 Viggen Pikes Peak Rally Car ‘00
Saab 9X Concept ‘01
Saleen Mustang S-281 ‘00
Saleen Mustang S-351 ‘99
Saleen S7 ‘00
Saleen S7R ‘01
Saturn SC2 Concept ‘01
Saturn SCX Concept ‘01
Seat Formula Concept ‘99
Seat Ibiza Cupra R
Seat Leon Cupra R ‘01
Seat Salsa Concept ‘00
Shelby Cobra 427 ‘67
Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe Race Car ‘64
Shelby Mustang GT 500 KR ‘68
Shelby Mustang GT350
Shelby Series 1 ‘98
Skoda Fabia RS
Skoda Octavia RS
Skoda Octavia WRC Rally Car ‘01
Skoda Tudor Concept ‘02
Spoon Civic Type R ‘98
Spoon S2000 ‘00
Spoon S2000 Race Car ‘00
Spyker C8 Double 12
Spyker C8 Laviolette ‘01
Subaru 2.5 RS sedan
Subaru Alccione SVX Version L ‘95
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sorry about the long post that !!


unlicensed

7,585 posts

256 months

Wednesday 21st January 2004
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STOP POSTING THAT FRIGGIN LIST

its a fake list that somebody made cvause they got nothing better to do

Pierscoe1

Original Poster:

2,458 posts

267 months

Wednesday 21st January 2004
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In reply to Richard's post..

the handling in GT kicks ass compared to PGR2...
BUT, you have to turn off the driver aids, and buy simulation tyres to really get into the epths of it..

once you've done that, the nuances of trailing the throttle into corners, holding steady revs whilst drifting for hundreds of meters, left-foot braking (or should that be 'second-finger-braking'), and real use of the analog buttons and stick come into play.. it's simply sublime!

In GT4 prologue however, there is only the arcade mode, so you are stuck with (same as arcade in GT3) stuck-to-the-road-with-glue handling, and only really getting it to slide under heavy provovation... GT4 is however slightly better than GT3 in this respect, as the cars do move about under heavy braking and lift-off etc.

by comparison, PGR2 is a mere arcade racer. (albeit quite a good arcade racer)

also, you can't win races in GT3 with simulation tyres, as they're much slower (because they have realistic grip levels), but I don't play it to win the races anymore... I just spend hours trying to get "the perfect drift-lap"....

if I had a DVcam with analogue-in, I'd post some vids

edited to ad: DMC, please cut some of that list out.. it takes half an hour to scroll to the next message..

>> Edited by Pierscoe1 on Wednesday 21st January 23:09

unlicensed

7,585 posts

256 months

Thursday 22nd January 2004
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PIER, u sound like u try soo hared to make the car just drift a bit. Its fairly simple. DOnt be soo delicate on it. Just lots of speed into the corner. slam on the brakes and flip it sideways and just keep it going. Bah, sim tyres, hate em. i can drift perfectly with super softs. Driver aids suck though.

and if the list takes too long to scroll there is the little "end" key. or page down also.

Pierscoe1

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2,458 posts

267 months

Thursday 22nd January 2004
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unlicensed said:
STOP POSTING THAT FRIGGIN LIST
and if the list takes too long to scroll there is the little "end" key. or page down also.


hmm.. but not exactly how it is.. is it?!?!?
"loads of speed and throw it into the corner" usually results in "exiting corner backwards via hedge"...

the sim-tyres do a much better job with the finer details... and require more effort to drive/drift well... with the normal tyres, it's as easy as you say.. rather defeating the point..

unlicensed

7,585 posts

256 months

Friday 23rd January 2004
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well mate, ill have to try and get some replays into video format and show u the joys of lots of speed and throwing it. Just have to know how to do it.

and also, its getting the prologue worth it. Im debating over wether i should order it or not.

off to play gt now and try ur little sim tyre things.

RichardD

3,607 posts

251 months

Friday 23rd January 2004
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Pierscoe1 said:
In reply to Richard's post..

the handling in GT kicks ass compared to PGR2...
BUT, you have to turn off the driver aids, and buy simulation tyres to really get into the depths of it..


Thanks very much. I will give them a go. Just making slow steady progress through the game and have never got round to trying them.

Am glad I splased out on a wheel/pedals though

Pierscoe1

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2,458 posts

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Friday 23rd January 2004
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don't get me wrong unlicensed... I can do it with the normal tyres... I'd just be very surprised if you didn't find it much more controllable and more of a challenge with the sim-tyres... give them a good go, and see what you think..

bear in mind though, that they'll never be as fast... but a hell of a lot of fun!


to the other post.. I don't think it's worth buying the prologue.

you don't get to race against anybody (only you on the track), and the selection of tracks is very limited.

there is a decent selection of cars, but nothing particularly exciting, apart from the macca F1 GT.

(haven't finished all the licenses mind.. suggest you read the review in Edge or similar)


interesting fact: Polyphony have apparently already paid for the development costs for GT4 via sales of the Prologue... as it's been No1 in the japanese charts for ages... takes the piss really... all that money they're going to make world-wide when the full game is released.. will be pure profit!!! me likey a bit of their royalties payout!!!

chrisjl

785 posts

288 months

Friday 23rd January 2004
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Pierscoe1 said:
...also, you can't win races in GT3 with simulation tyres, as they're much slower (because they have realistic grip levels), but I don't play it to win the races anymore...


Depends - there are some good challenges to be found if you drop down to the Amateur series:
e.g. Delta Integrale, all the mods, sim tyres, center diff wound all the way to the rear - the 4x4 series (Apricot Hill and Grand Valley being the best two), only five laps but mucho sideways fun to be had.

(From memory, the Turbo series is just that little bit harder - 2nd/3rd place finishes are more likely than wins)

DMc

711 posts

260 months

Saturday 24th January 2004
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Can someone tell me what cars are on this game

unlicensed

7,585 posts

256 months

Saturday 24th January 2004
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nobody knows the exact list for sure aside from what you can get in the prologue. At least they got a macca F1

Pierscoe1

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Saturday 24th January 2004
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as unlicensed said, no concrete list as yet..

but I'd bet on all the cars in GT3, plus the Macca F1 GTR, Ford GT, Nismo 350Z and some other nice things :-)

There is a "making-of" video which you unlock in the Prologue... which has footage of the Polyphony team recording cars (pictures/sounds etc)... some interesting cars of note:

Ginetta G4
Mini Marcos
TVR Grantura(sp?)

those were ones that I noticed.. there are more, but it's all 'fast-forward' footage, so hard to spot lots... I'll watch it again on monday..

agent006

12,058 posts

270 months

Saturday 24th January 2004
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Weren't some of the TVR guys here at the recording for it? So definitely griff, cerb and tuscan.

bilko

1,693 posts

238 months

Saturday 24th January 2004
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Rob P

5,782 posts

270 months

Sunday 25th January 2004
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IIRC Nacnud took his car to the testing for the GT4 game developers, there is a thread somewhere about the cars that they were testing....

evo

3,462 posts

260 months

Wednesday 4th February 2004
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I've been playing Gran Turismo for the last seven years and still havn't found a driving game more in tune to reality. Can't wait for GT4 but I did hear a rumour that it's release date has been put back to the summer due to development reasons. Can anyone enlighten me or is this old news.

Just hope the list of TVR's in GT4 is as interesting as the one posted on here.....

Edited to say - just seen the delayed post....

>> Edited by evo on Wednesday 4th February 22:27

Pierscoe1

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2,458 posts

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Wednesday 4th February 2004
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Just thought I'd ad:

have now finished all the licences in "Prologue"

good cars =

JGTC Supra (awesome noise!!)
Ford GT
Mac F1 GTR long-tail
JGTC NSX
350Z Nismo

not that much that's new/special.. but nice cars none the less...

can't wait.. and wait.. and wait.. and wait..
for the full game to come out!