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Theres a guy on the COD forum who doesn't like the M16, and thinks it over powered. He put a thread up about it asking for it to be changed. Here is his thread:
geek said:
Yep, this is a thread complaining about the M-16. But instead of just whinning about it im going to explain why the m16 is OP using this new thing i like to call FACTS. Yes, you heard correct, I said FACTS. Im also gonna cover every excuss ive ever heard people use to defend it and counter it with another new thing i like to call LOGIC. By using FACTS and LOGIC there will be no more debating the over-powered-ness of the almighty M-16 and maybe, just maybe, IW will at least Acknowlege thier mistake. Without further adue, i give you : PROOF.
ok so here are the actual stats of Every weapon in the game. Keep in mind that these are the REAL stats for the guns in cod4 and not the completly false stat windows that appear in-game. For more details visit:
http://chkilroy.com/cod4/
Here are some numbers straight out of main/iw_11.iwd
Every weapon (sans shotguns) has perfect 0 spread when sighted. Tip of the sight is where the bullet will go.
ASSAULT - All have a range of 1500-2000. When silenced, the range becomes 750-1500.
After 1500 range, damage gradually drops to the second number and continues on after 2000 at that lower value.
M16
DMG: 40 - 30 | ROF: .065 (925~ rounds per minute)
AK47
DMG: 40 - 30 | ROF: .085 (700 rounds per minute)
The AK47 is the only weapon that has a damage decrease when silenced (40-20).
M4A1
DMG: 30 - 20 | ROF: .07 (850~ rounds per minute)
G3
DMG: 40 - 30 | ROF: .05 (RPM irrelevant) / Semi
G36c
DMG: 30 - 20 | ROF: .08 (750 rounds per minute)
M14
DMG: 50 - 40 | ROF: .05 (RPM irrelevant) / Semi
MP44
DMG: 40 - 30 | ROF: .1 (600 rounds per minute)
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SMG - weapon(damage;firerate;range) All silenced ranges are decreased to 350-700 and the Skorpion to 100-300.
MP5 (40-30 ; 800RPM / 750-1000)
Skorpion (50-20 ; 850RPM / 200-400)
AKs74u (40-20 ; 800RPM / 750-1000)
Uzi (30-20 ; 950RPM / 750-1000)
P90 (30-20 ; 925RPM / 750-1000)
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LMG - The range for the SAW and RPD are irrelevant as the damage does not change. M60 has 1000-1500 range
M249 SAW
DMG: 30 - 30 | ROF: .065 (925~ rounds per minute)
RPD
DMG: 40 - 40 | ROF: .085 (700 rounds)
M60E4
DMG: 50 - 40 | ROF: .01 (600 rounds)
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SHOTGUN - Both fire eight hitscans/shot, and have a range of 300-600 (Winchester 300-500). They are also unique in that when sighted, the spread becomes WIDER.
Winchester 1200
DMG: 40 - 10 | ROF: .283 (200~ shells per minute) / Pump
SPR: 4 hip spread, 5.5 sight spread
M1014
DMG: 30 - 10 | ROF: .2 (300 shells per minute) / Semi
SPR: 5 hip spread, 5.5 sight spread
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SNIPER RIFLE - All five rifles are very much the same; what you pick is personal preference.
All do 70-70 damage.
All have the same level of sway and accuracy (existing Anti-Lag & Lerp issue notwithstanding).
Dragunov has more kick than the rest.
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PISTOL - The Beretta, USP and 1911 all do 40-20 damage, Desert Eagle and Gold Eagle do 50-30.
BER: 250- 500 range ;15 rounds ; 150-350 silenced
USP: 450-1000 range ;12 rounds ; 250-650 silenced
COL: 350- 900 range ; 8 rounds ; 250-500 silenced
DEA: 350-1200 range ; 7 rounds ; no silencer
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The Stopping Power and Sonic Boom Perks use a simple formula.
New Damage = damage multiplied by (100+damage) divided by 100
40 damage added to 100. 140 divided by 100. 1.4 is multiplied to the original damage, leading to the new enhanced damage.
30 x 1.3 increases it to 39
40 x 1.4 increases it to 56
50 x 1.5 increases it to 75
The higher the initial damage, the greater the effect.
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Juggernaut decreases damage from bullets and explosions. Damage is decreased to 75%. In another sense, you have 135 health.
Juggernaut cancels out Stopping Power and Sonic Boom as well - no increased damage, no reduced
For ease of understanding ill sum up this chart for piece by piece, compairing realted weapons with the M-16. Keep in mind that default player health in this game is 100.
Damage:
RPD: 40-40
Ak-47: 40-30
Winchester 1200 : 40- 10
M-16: 40-30
This means that with stopping power all of these weapons do 56 points of damage when at appropiate range. 56 points of damage means you'll kill in 2 hits. The M-16 shoots THREE bullets at a time with the same damage or more of all 3 LMG's and the same amount as a single hit-scan from a shot-gun at close range.
Rate-of-fire or Rounds-per-minute(RPM):
UZI: 950 RPM
P-90: 925 RPM
SAW: 925 RPM
M-16:925 RPM
Mp-5: 800 RPM
Skorpion: 850 RPM
This means that with the exception of the UZI, the M-16 is tied with the P-90 AND SAW for the HIGHEST rate of fire in the game. It puts out bullets faster or at the same speed as Every SMG, LMG, ASSAULT RIFFLE, SNIPER RIFFLE, and SHOT-GUN. EVERY SINGLE GUN in the game except the UZI. WOW.
Accuratcy:
this is really complicated so ill keep this brief; Basicly every weapon in the game (except shot-guns) have 100% accuratcy when sighted (ADS); Where your red dot or iron sight is located is where your bullets will go. The only difference is in the actual recoil of the weapon, and we all know that the M-16 has MINIMAL recoil. View the link at the top of the page for more info.
Range:
First off, let me mention that Range isnt the distance your bullets travel; every gun except the shot-guns can shoot across the ENTIRE map. Range is the damge the gun does over the distance it travels. This is the only area where you can make somewhat of an arguement that the M-16 isnt the absoulute best, but let me put it in perspective. The Sniper rifles, SAW and RPD all have Unlimited range; thier damage doesnt change reguardless of the distance the bullets travel. With the exception of those weapons, the M-16 is the same as every assualt riffle:1500-2000. The range on the M60 is: 1000-1500. The M16 has more range than the M60 (wtf?!?!), and naturaly more than all the smg's; The way its supposed to be. Does the M16 have the BEST range? No. But it makes up for it with its acuratcy. It only does 30 points of damage WITHOUT stopping power at long range but its not that hard to hit your target with 2 or 3 bullets every burst. Most people will still kill with 2-3 trigger pulls even at sniper range. Hmmm......
Reload time:
Ak47: 2.5 seconds
P-90: 2.76 sec.
RPD: 9.7 sec.
Skorpion: 2.43 sec
M16: 2 sec.
The only "weapons" that compair in reload time are a few pistols and shot-guns. Nuff said.
Mobility:
SMGs: Best
Shot-guns: Best
Assualt riffles: Good
Sniper riffles: Good
LMGs: Poor
I could make a good arguement that the M16 has the 2nd best mobility, but you get the point so ill move on.
There it is. Deffinative proof that the M16 is COMPLETLY OVERPOWERED.
With Crazy good damage, Little recoil, Good range, the best reload time, good mobility, and 2nd best rate of fire, the M16 is the only gun without a single flaw or disadvantage. Theres nothing this gun cant do. Everything else has a disadvantage Somewhere except the M16. How can you make 1 gun so OP and not realize it?
And finally ill list the most common excusses people give to defend the M16 and rip them apart:
NooB: "The M16 isnt Over-Powered! Its Realistic!?
Yea your right. The M16 is realistic. In fact its UNDER-Powered; in real life if you get shot by a M16 wih 1 bullet your probbly gonna die. Also in real life, the .50 cal sniper riffle is used to DESTRORY VEHICLES not people. If you get shot by a .50 cal in real life your entire body will probly explode. Heck even if the bullet misses you by a foot itll still rip of a limb. But heres the thing.....THIS.....IS.....A.....VIDEO GAME. Video games are supposed to be balanced and fun. If everyone was blown to tiny little chunks whenever a .50 cal was shot near them the game would be much less enjoyable. If you want a realistic shooter go play Ghost recon or Rainbow 6. Oh and in "real life" US Marines NEVER shoot the M16 in 3 round burst mode because its dangerous. Go ask a recruiter he'll tell you.
NooB: "The M16 sucks at close range!"
Stopping Power + Steady Aim = Problem solved.
NooB: "If it bothers you so much learn how to counter it!"
This gun wouldnt be so Over-powered if it HAD a counter. The M16 is Flawless. The only way to beat a M16 is with another M16.......
NooB: " You dont like it because you suck with it!"
Ok firstly Its IMPOSSIBLE to be good at FPS's and NOT be good with the M16. If you know how to aim, your already a pro with it.
NooB: " It doesnt bother me cause I am the greatest/leet/best at this game. I only notice 1 or 2 people using it each game!"
.......your either really lucky, really stupid, use the M16 yourself, or play only against scrubs in public matches. In clan matches 90% or more of everybody who plays competitivly uses the M16. If they dont use the M16, they lose.
In conclusion, if your one of the peolpe out there who still belives the M16 is a balanced weapon you are a (insert favorite insult or swear word here). I challenge anyone who reads this to make a logical counter-argument that prooves other wise; just prepare yourself to look stupid as hell when i destroy anything you come up with.
The reason for this thread is to hopfuly get a responce from IW that the M16 is OP. Try and keep this thread bumped on the first page so everybody will know the truth. If you ever run into anyone one the forums who defends the M16, give them the link to this page and tell them to STFU. Lastly please excuss any spelling errors cause im too lazy to proof-read this entire huge wall of text.
Oh, and thank you IW for making such an incredible shooter. I truly belive that if you iron-out a few balance issues you would have made the best shooter ever made. I Love you IW.
PLEASE STICKY!
Edit: This topic will not leave the first page until i get a responce from IW staff. Tell me your looking into it at least!
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http://charlieoscardelta.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=118427ok so here are the actual stats of Every weapon in the game. Keep in mind that these are the REAL stats for the guns in cod4 and not the completly false stat windows that appear in-game. For more details visit:
http://chkilroy.com/cod4/
Here are some numbers straight out of main/iw_11.iwd
Every weapon (sans shotguns) has perfect 0 spread when sighted. Tip of the sight is where the bullet will go.
ASSAULT - All have a range of 1500-2000. When silenced, the range becomes 750-1500.
After 1500 range, damage gradually drops to the second number and continues on after 2000 at that lower value.
M16
DMG: 40 - 30 | ROF: .065 (925~ rounds per minute)
AK47
DMG: 40 - 30 | ROF: .085 (700 rounds per minute)
The AK47 is the only weapon that has a damage decrease when silenced (40-20).
M4A1
DMG: 30 - 20 | ROF: .07 (850~ rounds per minute)
G3
DMG: 40 - 30 | ROF: .05 (RPM irrelevant) / Semi
G36c
DMG: 30 - 20 | ROF: .08 (750 rounds per minute)
M14
DMG: 50 - 40 | ROF: .05 (RPM irrelevant) / Semi
MP44
DMG: 40 - 30 | ROF: .1 (600 rounds per minute)
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SMG - weapon(damage;firerate;range) All silenced ranges are decreased to 350-700 and the Skorpion to 100-300.
MP5 (40-30 ; 800RPM / 750-1000)
Skorpion (50-20 ; 850RPM / 200-400)
AKs74u (40-20 ; 800RPM / 750-1000)
Uzi (30-20 ; 950RPM / 750-1000)
P90 (30-20 ; 925RPM / 750-1000)
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LMG - The range for the SAW and RPD are irrelevant as the damage does not change. M60 has 1000-1500 range
M249 SAW
DMG: 30 - 30 | ROF: .065 (925~ rounds per minute)
RPD
DMG: 40 - 40 | ROF: .085 (700 rounds)
M60E4
DMG: 50 - 40 | ROF: .01 (600 rounds)
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SHOTGUN - Both fire eight hitscans/shot, and have a range of 300-600 (Winchester 300-500). They are also unique in that when sighted, the spread becomes WIDER.
Winchester 1200
DMG: 40 - 10 | ROF: .283 (200~ shells per minute) / Pump
SPR: 4 hip spread, 5.5 sight spread
M1014
DMG: 30 - 10 | ROF: .2 (300 shells per minute) / Semi
SPR: 5 hip spread, 5.5 sight spread
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SNIPER RIFLE - All five rifles are very much the same; what you pick is personal preference.
All do 70-70 damage.
All have the same level of sway and accuracy (existing Anti-Lag & Lerp issue notwithstanding).
Dragunov has more kick than the rest.
-
PISTOL - The Beretta, USP and 1911 all do 40-20 damage, Desert Eagle and Gold Eagle do 50-30.
BER: 250- 500 range ;15 rounds ; 150-350 silenced
USP: 450-1000 range ;12 rounds ; 250-650 silenced
COL: 350- 900 range ; 8 rounds ; 250-500 silenced
DEA: 350-1200 range ; 7 rounds ; no silencer
---
The Stopping Power and Sonic Boom Perks use a simple formula.
New Damage = damage multiplied by (100+damage) divided by 100
40 damage added to 100. 140 divided by 100. 1.4 is multiplied to the original damage, leading to the new enhanced damage.
30 x 1.3 increases it to 39
40 x 1.4 increases it to 56
50 x 1.5 increases it to 75
The higher the initial damage, the greater the effect.
---
Juggernaut decreases damage from bullets and explosions. Damage is decreased to 75%. In another sense, you have 135 health.
Juggernaut cancels out Stopping Power and Sonic Boom as well - no increased damage, no reduced
For ease of understanding ill sum up this chart for piece by piece, compairing realted weapons with the M-16. Keep in mind that default player health in this game is 100.
Damage:
RPD: 40-40
Ak-47: 40-30
Winchester 1200 : 40- 10
M-16: 40-30
This means that with stopping power all of these weapons do 56 points of damage when at appropiate range. 56 points of damage means you'll kill in 2 hits. The M-16 shoots THREE bullets at a time with the same damage or more of all 3 LMG's and the same amount as a single hit-scan from a shot-gun at close range.
Rate-of-fire or Rounds-per-minute(RPM):
UZI: 950 RPM
P-90: 925 RPM
SAW: 925 RPM
M-16:925 RPM
Mp-5: 800 RPM
Skorpion: 850 RPM
This means that with the exception of the UZI, the M-16 is tied with the P-90 AND SAW for the HIGHEST rate of fire in the game. It puts out bullets faster or at the same speed as Every SMG, LMG, ASSAULT RIFFLE, SNIPER RIFFLE, and SHOT-GUN. EVERY SINGLE GUN in the game except the UZI. WOW.
Accuratcy:
this is really complicated so ill keep this brief; Basicly every weapon in the game (except shot-guns) have 100% accuratcy when sighted (ADS); Where your red dot or iron sight is located is where your bullets will go. The only difference is in the actual recoil of the weapon, and we all know that the M-16 has MINIMAL recoil. View the link at the top of the page for more info.
Range:
First off, let me mention that Range isnt the distance your bullets travel; every gun except the shot-guns can shoot across the ENTIRE map. Range is the damge the gun does over the distance it travels. This is the only area where you can make somewhat of an arguement that the M-16 isnt the absoulute best, but let me put it in perspective. The Sniper rifles, SAW and RPD all have Unlimited range; thier damage doesnt change reguardless of the distance the bullets travel. With the exception of those weapons, the M-16 is the same as every assualt riffle:1500-2000. The range on the M60 is: 1000-1500. The M16 has more range than the M60 (wtf?!?!), and naturaly more than all the smg's; The way its supposed to be. Does the M16 have the BEST range? No. But it makes up for it with its acuratcy. It only does 30 points of damage WITHOUT stopping power at long range but its not that hard to hit your target with 2 or 3 bullets every burst. Most people will still kill with 2-3 trigger pulls even at sniper range. Hmmm......
Reload time:
Ak47: 2.5 seconds
P-90: 2.76 sec.
RPD: 9.7 sec.
Skorpion: 2.43 sec
M16: 2 sec.
The only "weapons" that compair in reload time are a few pistols and shot-guns. Nuff said.
Mobility:
SMGs: Best
Shot-guns: Best
Assualt riffles: Good
Sniper riffles: Good
LMGs: Poor
I could make a good arguement that the M16 has the 2nd best mobility, but you get the point so ill move on.
There it is. Deffinative proof that the M16 is COMPLETLY OVERPOWERED.
With Crazy good damage, Little recoil, Good range, the best reload time, good mobility, and 2nd best rate of fire, the M16 is the only gun without a single flaw or disadvantage. Theres nothing this gun cant do. Everything else has a disadvantage Somewhere except the M16. How can you make 1 gun so OP and not realize it?
And finally ill list the most common excusses people give to defend the M16 and rip them apart:
NooB: "The M16 isnt Over-Powered! Its Realistic!?
Yea your right. The M16 is realistic. In fact its UNDER-Powered; in real life if you get shot by a M16 wih 1 bullet your probbly gonna die. Also in real life, the .50 cal sniper riffle is used to DESTRORY VEHICLES not people. If you get shot by a .50 cal in real life your entire body will probly explode. Heck even if the bullet misses you by a foot itll still rip of a limb. But heres the thing.....THIS.....IS.....A.....VIDEO GAME. Video games are supposed to be balanced and fun. If everyone was blown to tiny little chunks whenever a .50 cal was shot near them the game would be much less enjoyable. If you want a realistic shooter go play Ghost recon or Rainbow 6. Oh and in "real life" US Marines NEVER shoot the M16 in 3 round burst mode because its dangerous. Go ask a recruiter he'll tell you.
NooB: "The M16 sucks at close range!"
Stopping Power + Steady Aim = Problem solved.
NooB: "If it bothers you so much learn how to counter it!"
This gun wouldnt be so Over-powered if it HAD a counter. The M16 is Flawless. The only way to beat a M16 is with another M16.......
NooB: " You dont like it because you suck with it!"
Ok firstly Its IMPOSSIBLE to be good at FPS's and NOT be good with the M16. If you know how to aim, your already a pro with it.
NooB: " It doesnt bother me cause I am the greatest/leet/best at this game. I only notice 1 or 2 people using it each game!"
.......your either really lucky, really stupid, use the M16 yourself, or play only against scrubs in public matches. In clan matches 90% or more of everybody who plays competitivly uses the M16. If they dont use the M16, they lose.
In conclusion, if your one of the peolpe out there who still belives the M16 is a balanced weapon you are a (insert favorite insult or swear word here). I challenge anyone who reads this to make a logical counter-argument that prooves other wise; just prepare yourself to look stupid as hell when i destroy anything you come up with.
The reason for this thread is to hopfuly get a responce from IW that the M16 is OP. Try and keep this thread bumped on the first page so everybody will know the truth. If you ever run into anyone one the forums who defends the M16, give them the link to this page and tell them to STFU. Lastly please excuss any spelling errors cause im too lazy to proof-read this entire huge wall of text.
Oh, and thank you IW for making such an incredible shooter. I truly belive that if you iron-out a few balance issues you would have made the best shooter ever made. I Love you IW.
PLEASE STICKY!
Edit: This topic will not leave the first page until i get a responce from IW staff. Tell me your looking into it at least!
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toothlessjim said:
I suspect he's lacking a girl friend! My counter argument would be...."Its just a video game, you're proving your self to be rather sad and i beleive alot of people will tell you to get a life etc." lol I'd also tell him i like my m16!!! just to wind him up
More likely he's fed up with cracking one off
The specs are interesting. I dunno how he got them though.
He says that down the sight, each gun is the same accuracy. Thats simply not the case because I have seen otherwise. There have been people trying to spray me with all types of guns at medium to long distance, but with two or three G3 shots they go down.
Interesting to see the maths behind the game, but I wouldnt spend my own time finding them out and complaining about them!
He says that down the sight, each gun is the same accuracy. Thats simply not the case because I have seen otherwise. There have been people trying to spray me with all types of guns at medium to long distance, but with two or three G3 shots they go down.
Interesting to see the maths behind the game, but I wouldnt spend my own time finding them out and complaining about them!
MK4 Slowride said:
Seriously, how can you devote that much of your life to complaining about a weapon on a computer game 
What an interesting friend he must be to have around. I reckon his Mum refused to let him suck her tit when he was a baby so grew up to be this nonse.SAVE THE M-14!
The M14 with silencer is my new weapon of choice. I dunno how the stats stack up against the G3, but the M14 seems to still have grunt close up, whilst the G3 seems lacking. Only downside is the sight on the M14 is a bit thick so it is more difficult to see your target if it is just out of the sight, it is obscured by he sight.
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