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I would think Shelby secondhand prices are pretty much the same as new ones if you can find one as they are so scarce.
Considering the dollar rate at the moment if I was you I would very seriously consider importing a new one, plus you would probably save a bit, which leaves a bit over for buying the extras you will want, wheels, lowering, bigger blower etc!
Considering the dollar rate at the moment if I was you I would very seriously consider importing a new one, plus you would probably save a bit, which leaves a bit over for buying the extras you will want, wheels, lowering, bigger blower etc!
I would say brand new from a dealer in the UK should be around £44,000 which is still too much.
Although there is a used one in the classifieds for under £40k
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/208875.htm
The US car sales network works in a completely different way to the UK. in the US, they can charge what they like and when the GT500 came out, the dealers had them marked up at ridiculous prices - some over $100,000. many dealers only had one allocated and just put stupid prices on them. They generate showroom traffic and certainly a lot of Americans were dumb enough to pay exorbitant premiums to be the first to get a GT500. 
The same applied to the Z06 initially but now you can get them easily and quite often for less than a GT500. Consequently, there are about a million American Mustang owners waiting for the dealers to give up and reduce the Shelby to list when there will probably be a rush for them. Hence the UK prices. Which is why it's better to supercharge a GT and have a faster car. There are plenty of them about.
The same applied to the Z06 initially but now you can get them easily and quite often for less than a GT500. Consequently, there are about a million American Mustang owners waiting for the dealers to give up and reduce the Shelby to list when there will probably be a rush for them. Hence the UK prices. Which is why it's better to supercharge a GT and have a faster car. There are plenty of them about.
imho it would be the roush set up,you could make it look like a Shelby if you so desire,but so many after market goodies to pa rouse you will still have a handsome machine. For what they are "shelbys" are over priced,you are paying at least 10k for the badge/history etc. But i certainly agree the Shelby is a very handsome beast.
The joke here is that the "limited edition" GT500 will probab;ly easily outstrip production of any one of the Saleens.
Here are my recommendations (accounting for dealer "gouging"
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1. Handling - Steeda Screaming Q - 350hp, naturally aspirated, all the handling goodies and you'll probably never see another one in the UK. On that basis, although most have never heard of Steeda, it will always be desirable to those who understand the best Mustang tuners. Bit of a bargain too. http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmf...
2. Looks/Handling - any variation of the Saleen which comes in many forms from 330hp S281 to supercharged very expensive forged internals car. www.saleen.com
3. Handling: Roush Mustang. For my money, the bodykit is a bit "Essex" but if you like it, it's a good package although the Roushcharger is not the most powerful supercharger out there. www.roushperf.com
4. Not losing any money/drop dead looks: The Saleen Parnelli-Jones 5.0 Mustang. An instant collector's car but the premiums are very high if indeed you even even buy one for love or money:
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmf...
5. Power boosting potential: GT500 but only when prices are list and not the current overvalue. This car will bomb like a stone when people finally click how many are being produced and bought for the sole purpose of being a collectors car. I think the days of the 60s and 70s are gone. Modern cars don't rust away like they used to, they don't get totalled like they used to and the Shelby is more SVT than it is Shelby. Looks great though and there's the rub. May hold its value better in the UK due to smaller numbers but remember most Mustang owners have seen Top Gear.
6. Shelby actually produces his own car - the CS6 - which is a 350hp supercharged V6. If I had to put money on it, because this is less popular and will be made in small numbers, (no doubt helped by Shelby's sudden urge to make maximum profits) I would wager it will be the Shelby collectors car in years to come - especially if Shelby pegs it (God forbid). http://www.shelbyautos.com/gallery.asp?car=blkcs6
See, that narrowed it down....
Here are my recommendations (accounting for dealer "gouging"
:1. Handling - Steeda Screaming Q - 350hp, naturally aspirated, all the handling goodies and you'll probably never see another one in the UK. On that basis, although most have never heard of Steeda, it will always be desirable to those who understand the best Mustang tuners. Bit of a bargain too. http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmf...
2. Looks/Handling - any variation of the Saleen which comes in many forms from 330hp S281 to supercharged very expensive forged internals car. www.saleen.com
3. Handling: Roush Mustang. For my money, the bodykit is a bit "Essex" but if you like it, it's a good package although the Roushcharger is not the most powerful supercharger out there. www.roushperf.com
4. Not losing any money/drop dead looks: The Saleen Parnelli-Jones 5.0 Mustang. An instant collector's car but the premiums are very high if indeed you even even buy one for love or money:
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmf...
5. Power boosting potential: GT500 but only when prices are list and not the current overvalue. This car will bomb like a stone when people finally click how many are being produced and bought for the sole purpose of being a collectors car. I think the days of the 60s and 70s are gone. Modern cars don't rust away like they used to, they don't get totalled like they used to and the Shelby is more SVT than it is Shelby. Looks great though and there's the rub. May hold its value better in the UK due to smaller numbers but remember most Mustang owners have seen Top Gear.
6. Shelby actually produces his own car - the CS6 - which is a 350hp supercharged V6. If I had to put money on it, because this is less popular and will be made in small numbers, (no doubt helped by Shelby's sudden urge to make maximum profits) I would wager it will be the Shelby collectors car in years to come - especially if Shelby pegs it (God forbid). http://www.shelbyautos.com/gallery.asp?car=blkcs6
See, that narrowed it down....
HI there
Don't get a Shelby, Carol Shelby had nothing to do with the car, its just a Ford marketing tool. Its an overweight tank that does not handle anything like a Carol Shelby car should. Put simply avoid it, I also think that in another 12 months time they will be in the 30-35k region.
Roush is definetely a better car, but again they depreciate lots so try to get a good deal.
However why don't you look at a Saleen, they are easily the best looking Mustangs on the road and they handle really good too.
If I was spending upto 40k on a Mustang I'd be offering this guy 34k for this:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/206336.htm
That will pull ahead off a Shelby in a straight line and when the corners come up you will just leave a Shelby for dust. Saleens hold their value pretty good too, certainly a car to consider.
Don't get a Shelby, Carol Shelby had nothing to do with the car, its just a Ford marketing tool. Its an overweight tank that does not handle anything like a Carol Shelby car should. Put simply avoid it, I also think that in another 12 months time they will be in the 30-35k region.
Roush is definetely a better car, but again they depreciate lots so try to get a good deal.
However why don't you look at a Saleen, they are easily the best looking Mustangs on the road and they handle really good too.
If I was spending upto 40k on a Mustang I'd be offering this guy 34k for this:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/206336.htm
That will pull ahead off a Shelby in a straight line and when the corners come up you will just leave a Shelby for dust. Saleens hold their value pretty good too, certainly a car to consider.
[OcUK]Gibbo said:
HI there
However why don't you look at a Saleen, they are easily the best looking Mustangs on the road and they handle really good too.
isn't that a bit of a contradiction? when your advert to sell your Saleen you stated.. [quote]My next issue was I was struggling to put all this power down, I am shocked Saleen ship cars like this from the factory, what use is so much power if the car cannot put it down? So I started researching what to do to improve stopping, cornering speed and ability to put the power down. However why don't you look at a Saleen, they are easily the best looking Mustangs on the road and they handle really good too.
Beemer-5 said:
vpr said:
Yeah...Thanks. That didn't help. Just served to confuse more.
Been trying to decide whether I should buy a Mustang for around 2 yrs now,. Normally I just buy on a whim which is why I'm concerned....What's stopping me?
Resale value or lhd perhaps?Been trying to decide whether I should buy a Mustang for around 2 yrs now,. Normally I just buy on a whim which is why I'm concerned....What's stopping me?
steve.c said:
[OcUK]Gibbo said:
HI there
However why don't you look at a Saleen, they are easily the best looking Mustangs on the road and they handle really good too.
isn't that a bit of a contradiction? when your advert to sell your Saleen you stated.. [quote]My next issue was I was struggling to put all this power down, I am shocked Saleen ship cars like this from the factory, what use is so much power if the car cannot put it down? So I started researching what to do to improve stopping, cornering speed and ability to put the power down. However why don't you look at a Saleen, they are easily the best looking Mustangs on the road and they handle really good too.
Since when was grip/traction and handling the same thing? To put it simply they are not.
This is why a car such as a 3000GT has tons of grip which gives reasonably good corner speed but its actual handling is pretty damn poor.
So to repeat, handling and grip are not the same.
A Saleen does handle better than a Shelby, the fact its closer to a 50/50 weight distribution and weighs a lot less than a Shelby are the contributing factors.
Plus as it cost me less than £1000 to upgrade my Saleens suspension to handle the power and I was able to fit nearly each part in my driveway with ease it was money well spent. Obviously the new upgraded parts aided greatly with putting the power down and did actually improve both the cars handling and grip.
The GT500 is a nice car, but a Saleen is superior if handling is more your bag. If you want to be untouchable in straight lines and don't care about corners then go with a Shelby because the tuning potential is huge.
Edited by [OcUK]Gibbo on Friday 3rd August 20:37
I was actually referring to your comment regarding 'I am shocked Saleen ship cars like this from the factory, what use is so much power if the car cannot put it down?' I have no problems what so ever with either traction or handling so am puzzled to understand how you can make such a statement
steve.c said:
I was actually referring to your comment regarding 'I am shocked Saleen ship cars like this from the factory, what use is so much power if the car cannot put it down?' I have no problems what so ever with either traction or handling so am puzzled to understand how you can make such a statement
Hi thereWell my car was an S281, began live as an N/A
Now from what I can tell a true Saleen SC281 has no further suspension upgrades over the stock S281, unless I am mistaken.
Now my car with the JDM Stage 2 along with LT Headers kicked out 530 horses. Now fair enough this is no doubt quite a bit more power than maybe a stock Saleen SC281 but needless to say with that kind of power/torque on offer the car had serious traction issues whether it be in a straight line or powering out of a corner.
For me whilst it may have been fun being able to break rear traction even in 2nd gear in the dry from a roll it was also quite annoying if all you wanted to do was press on quickly and just get the power down.
With the Steeda modifications I made, it allowed me to stomp on the gas in 2nd gear anytime I liked apart from when it was wet and the result was instant traction and off the car flew. Corner speed and accelerating out of corners was transformed.
Some may find the issues I was having not to be a problem, but I decided it was and so cured it by doing some research on the US side and the addition of the Steeda parts transformed the car.
[OcUK]Gibbo said:
steve.c said:
I was actually referring to your comment regarding 'I am shocked Saleen ship cars like this from the factory, what use is so much power if the car cannot put it down?' I have no problems what so ever with either traction or handling so am puzzled to understand how you can make such a statement
Hi thereWell my car was an S281, began live as an N/A
Now from what I can tell a true Saleen SC281 has no further suspension upgrades over the stock S281, unless I am mistaken.
Now my car with the JDM Stage 2 along with LT Headers kicked out 530 horses. Now fair enough this is no doubt quite a bit more power than maybe a stock Saleen SC281 but needless to say with that kind of power/torque on offer the car had serious traction issues whether it be in a straight line or powering out of a corner.
For me whilst it may have been fun being able to break rear traction even in 2nd gear in the dry from a roll it was also quite annoying if all you wanted to do was press on quickly and just get the power down.
With the Steeda modifications I made, it allowed me to stomp on the gas in 2nd gear anytime I liked apart from when it was wet and the result was instant traction and off the car flew. Corner speed and accelerating out of corners was transformed.
Some may find the issues I was having not to be a problem, but I decided it was and so cured it by doing some research on the US side and the addition of the Steeda parts transformed the car.
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