Evo's Longtermer up on Ebay...

Evo's Longtermer up on Ebay...

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mbutchers

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696 posts

227 months

Thursday 8th February 2007
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Has anyone seen the Evo car on Ebay.
Not much of a Mustang expert, but have been eyeing this car up, as it's had a load of 'seemingly' worthwhile upgrades.
Anyone have any views on it, and what they think it'll fetch in the auction....(or, realistically, what it's worth...?)

stig

11,822 posts

291 months

Thursday 8th February 2007
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Those upgrades are indeed, worthwhile, but not actually worth much when reselling.

Re. value - hard to say. The miles are higher than average at 27k. It's hard a pretty hard life too - but has been well maintained. Not the best colour combo (red & red) but that's personal taste I guess.

I'd say 20k tops.

mbutchers

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696 posts

227 months

Thursday 8th February 2007
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So, a bargain would be in the region of £17k ish.....?
Coming from a long line of Porsches - fancied something different without laying out too much cash... Seems good performance / pound, and a little unusual into the bargain - not quite as common as the 996/7, and hopefully a better soundtrack.....

LuS1fer

41,750 posts

252 months

Thursday 8th February 2007
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Has it sold yet?

The Mustang has a penchant for rocking back and forth like a speedboat under acceleration and braking so lowering springs are fairly imperative as the rocking can tax the brakes by throwing weight onto them. I can't link ebay in work but a complete Roush suspension is around £1000 not fitted. Whilst I agree that you'll never recover the price of mods, they are dedfinitely worth having and will make the car easier to sell.

The 2005 Mustang has a pretty straight freeflow exhaust but the rear silencers need replacing to get a bit more of a rumble. In that regard, have some custom made or select from at least twenty different makes (although importing something that big is expensive and I have some no-drone Corsas if anyone is interested...).

The V8 will make more money than the harder to sell V6 but there are a lot flooding the market. I paid less than £20k for a 2005 with 2k on the clock and less than a year old. To import new, with the dollar being weak, a new one would cost about £25k or less. For this car, anything between £16k and £18k is potentially good. I know a mate enquired about the intake. I think EVO quoted £500 but my associate was quoted that for the kit and another £450 to tune it on a rolling road. Whether it actually produces 370bhp is anyone's guess. In the US, they rarely claim more than 25bhp and tehy have specialists but I don't know what's involved. Seems a huge hike from 300bhp on just a retune.

List the mods and I can tell you roughly what they're worth.

mbutchers

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696 posts

227 months

Thursday 8th February 2007
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This is the extract from the Ebay listing......

We bought it new via Litchfield Imports in March 2005 and immediately set about improving it. The first thing we added was a £465 induction kit together with an engine re-map that we later discovered had boosted power to 370bhp (+70bhp on standard) as well as giving the car a terrific V8 soundtrack. Next we added some silver strips and had some side louvres for the rear side glass proffesionaly fitted that the set the car off brilliantly.

It soon became obvious that the standard tyres and suspension set up were pretty hopeless so we ordered up some tasty Rouch upgrades to give our beloved Mustang a bit of helping hand, these included;
New dampers all round
New anti-roll bars front and rear
New Rouch 18" alloy wheels (we've just fitted with a new set of 285/40 ZR18 Dunlop Sport 9000s so tyres on it now are new)
Total cost of these improvements was £3926 before fitting.

The difference these bits made was amazing, great ride and transformed road holding, the only trouble was it highlighted the awful standard brakes set-up so the next thing we did was fit a complete brake kit that had just been launched by Movit. It wasn't cheap at £2400 before fitting but it was definitely worth it. After this little lot our Mustang felt well and truly sorted, the total cost of all these improvements came to £6,791 so the car stands us at £32,786.

What do you reckon.....?

LuS1fer

41,750 posts

252 months

Thursday 8th February 2007
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mbutchers said:
This is the extract from the Ebay listing......

March 2005 - £465 induction kit together with an engine re-map boosted power to 370bhp - silver stripes, side louvres for the rear side glass.
Roush upgrades - new dampers, new anti-roll bars front and rear, Roush 18" alloy wheels fitted with new 285/40 ZR18 Dunlop Sport 9000s - Total cost £3926 before fitting.

Complete Movit brake kit by Movit - £2400 before fitting. Total cost of all these improvements £6,791

What do you reckon.....?


I reckon those upgrades are extremely desirable and the ones you would want to transform the car in the handling department (remember that the Roush Mustang came 2nd between the M3 and 350Z in the lesser category on EVO PCOTY). The EVO track time which I think embraced some of those mods have the Mustang as fast as an Evo VIII 260hp which is no mean feat. The stock wheels are too small at 17" and the stock tyres are a joke 235/55 profile that flexes too much. The Roush wheels are wider and 18". Overall, the mileage is not that important as these cars are good for 100's of thousands of miles. If you wanted to do those mods yourself (and you would), the cost would be high, even importing and fitting yourself.

A stock GT is worth £16k with those miles I would guess so considering the thorough job they've done on modifying, it would still be a bargain at £20k as the mods are so worth having. I would guess it includes springs too as they're the main problem.

The window louvres can impede visibility but usually stick on but most people seem to love the stripe and louvre treatment. The only negative is the colour because red seems to have gone out of fashion but I like it.

Some modified cars make buyers hard to find but with mustangs, it's pretty much expected that they get modified. I'd be tempted myself. Bear in mind the fuel tank is a sod to fill though, despite the replacement tank and the warranty from Ford is non-existent so you'd have to rely on Litchfield for any warranty they offered.

As you can see from my profile, I chose to supercharge mine but the suspension mods have been done (bar the sway bars) and the big brake kits don't fit in my wheels (although the main benefit of upgrading is not initial effectiveness but resistance to fade). The only question mark would be the future availability of brake pads for the Movit brakes in, say, 20 years time when it's a classic. LOL.

monkey43

45 posts

213 months

Saturday 10th February 2007
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Damn & blast. I was the winning bidder with 36 sec's to go........sweaty palms, heartbeat thumping (kids screaming).......then disaster!! I was outbid with no time left to rebid. Aaaaahhhhh. weeping

Did anyone win from here? If so, well done, you've got a bargain!!

Whilst I'm gutted I missed out, it would have meant owning 2 Mustangs currently hehe , and the wife was not happy at all furious

Now I'II just have to upgrade my existing GT with uprated suspension, wheels, air induction..........scratchchin

mbutchers

Original Poster:

696 posts

227 months

Saturday 10th February 2007
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Monkey - it was me....! Unlucky - let's hope I like it!

monkey43

45 posts

213 months

Saturday 10th February 2007
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Congrats & enjoy!! clapweeping

mbutchers

Original Poster:

696 posts

227 months

Saturday 10th February 2007
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monkey43 said:
Congrats & enjoy!! clapweeping
Cheers thumbup Think it should be good for putting a smile on my face.....!

stig

11,822 posts

291 months

Saturday 10th February 2007
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mbutchers said:
Monkey - it was me....! Unlucky - let's hope I like it!


That was a damn good price!

LuS1fer

41,750 posts

252 months

Sunday 11th February 2007
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What did it sell for in the end? Last I saw it, it was a steal.

monkey43

45 posts

213 months

Sunday 11th February 2007
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£17100. Indeed a steal. Just a shame I didn't win it (although solves problem of 2 Mustangs on the drive...)

mbutchers

Original Poster:

696 posts

227 months

Sunday 11th February 2007
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Picking it up end of the weeks hopefully - Need to sort insurance etc - any advice?
Would like to put my stamp on it too - maybe some more Roush stuff - Anyone got any links to decent websites for Mustang upgrades (Supercharger anyone..!)Quite fancy one of the lower beefier front pu's - need to get up to speed on these things now.....

LuS1fer

41,750 posts

252 months

Sunday 11th February 2007
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mbutchers said:
Picking it up end of the weeks hopefully - Need to sort insurance etc - any advice?
Would like to put my stamp on it too - maybe some more Roush stuff - Anyone got any links to decent websites for Mustang upgrades (Supercharger anyone..!)Quite fancy one of the lower beefier front pu's - need to get up to speed on these things now.....


Try A-Plan for the insurance.

www.roush.co.uk will provide a list of their dealers for various parts and to be honest, their prices are pretty keen compared to importing stuff. Plus as EVO PCOTY proved, their stuff works.

I'd get an independent dyno on the 370hp power output before you go supercharging. Most superchargers give 415-425hp and up to 500 when you charge-cool them. Mine has 462hp and it's very quick.

What's a lower beefier pu?

When looking for Mustang parts, Google will give you a selection but www.lmperformance.com and www.ls1motorsport.com are two I've used. If you want a better clutch, try a Spec clutch but you need a flywheel as well. Some US suppliers are very touchy about foreigners and just won't supply so you sometimes have to shop around. If you're importing anything big, try Moving Parts.

Tuners and parts come from www.steeda.com and www.saleen.com

By the way, don't worry that the back axle looks like a rustbucket as they don't paint them. POR15 is good stuff if you have the patience.

mbutchers

Original Poster:

696 posts

227 months

Sunday 11th February 2007
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Thanks for the info LuS1fer - Front pu - it's the front panel/bumper....sorry for the terminology...! I really like the look of the lower Roush setup. Looks like is fairly straight forward to replace.....

gt2man-2

1,042 posts

262 months

Sunday 11th February 2007
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monkey43 said:
Damn & blast. I was the winning bidder with 36 sec's to go........sweaty palms, heartbeat thumping (kids screaming).......then disaster!! I was outbid with no time left to rebid. Aaaaahhhhh. weeping


I was bidding on it up to £16K but didn't think it was worth more than that. There are others on Autotrader with similar miles for £16K and the money spent on it doesn't add to its resale, plus it's been used hard.

LuS1fer

41,750 posts

252 months

Sunday 11th February 2007
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gt2man-2 said:
monkey43 said:
Damn & blast. I was the winning bidder with 36 sec's to go........sweaty palms, heartbeat thumping (kids screaming).......then disaster!! I was outbid with no time left to rebid. Aaaaahhhhh. weeping


I was bidding on it up to £16K but didn't think it was worth more than that. There are others on Autotrader with similar miles for £16K and the money spent on it doesn't add to its resale, plus it's been used hard.


It does add to the value though, the upgrades transform the car and given the cost of importing that sort of kit, it really does mean you'll get more money down the line and it's a lot more desirable as a driving tool. For miost Mustang buyers, they're ths osrt of upgrades they'd do anyway.

The whole Mustang comes apart like Lego and that front panel is no exception, a few bolts and fasteners and the whole front drops off.

gt2man-2

1,042 posts

262 months

Sunday 11th February 2007
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I don't deny the mods transform the car, but as for adding to the value I disagree. Try trading in a modded Mustang and see if the dealer offers you more. Fat chance.


Edited by gt2man-2 on Sunday 11th February 22:32

Adetuono

7,405 posts

234 months

Monday 12th February 2007
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gt2man-2 said:
I don't deny the mods transform the car, but as for adding to the value I disagree. Try trading in a modded Mustang and see if the dealer offers you more. Fat chance.


But they sold it on eBay. For more than they would have got for a standard car.
Do you think a Saleen or a Roush will sell for less than a standard motor?