Mustang Tyres - why would you change them?
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There is a car on AT (below) which has done 1,800 miles and where the ad says "immediate post-collection fitment of 4 Michelin Pilot Sport tyres"
Why would you do that ? What is wrong with the factory tyres ? And why would they fit them post collection (surely they'd need to be fitted pre-collection. Why would anyone want to have to collect their car and immediately have the tyres changed) ?
Am I missing something ?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
Why would you do that ? What is wrong with the factory tyres ? And why would they fit them post collection (surely they'd need to be fitted pre-collection. Why would anyone want to have to collect their car and immediately have the tyres changed) ?
Am I missing something ?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
The Pirelli P-Zeros have repeatedly been rated pretty badly; a lot of people switched them out for Michelin MPSS's and said the traction drastically improved. Most forum posts where I've read someone say something along the lines of "do you find it slides in the wet?" have been met with "bin the Pirellis".
It's perhaps personal opinion (I didn't look too much into it); but in my experience the P-Zeros are pretty bad in anything but perfectly dry conditions - something of a rarity in Scotland up until late. I've definitely had some arse-clenching moments, although to be fair, I did not come into this with high hopes as Mustangs aren't exactly known for the best handling.
I haven't changed them yet though; holding out to see how the new MPS4's are (Michelin claim they're the same as the MPSS's but last another 50% longer).
It's perhaps personal opinion (I didn't look too much into it); but in my experience the P-Zeros are pretty bad in anything but perfectly dry conditions - something of a rarity in Scotland up until late. I've definitely had some arse-clenching moments, although to be fair, I did not come into this with high hopes as Mustangs aren't exactly known for the best handling.
I haven't changed them yet though; holding out to see how the new MPS4's are (Michelin claim they're the same as the MPSS's but last another 50% longer).
downthepub said:
The Pzeros need a bit of warmth to work properly. Great in Arizona or Texas, but w
k in the UK.
Same here in North Carolina.. get them hot and they are Sticky...k in the UK.Track days this year will tell a bit more. I have a second set for track and another complete set for winter MPSS.. the P Zero's do not like anything below 10C or constant damp roads.
Surprised they offer the P Zeros as standard for UK TBH.
I have a S550 GT
After I ordered the car and before I took delivery (about 18 months) I spent the time researching, looking at pics and readibg as much as possible about S550s.
I honestly thought all the stuff I was reading about the P Zeros was rubbish, After all, its a good tyre according to reviews and why would Ford fit a tyre that does not work.
Then I took delivery and I loved everything about the car but one thing, It was such a handful in the wet. But I still did not put this down to the tyres, I just thought, well what do you expect with a 5 ltr V8 and RWD?
Then, I wore out the first set of tyres and wacked on some MPSS tyres on the rear/ Completely transformed the car at the rear. I was stunned at the difference.
So yep, I completely get why anyone would change them out straight away
After I ordered the car and before I took delivery (about 18 months) I spent the time researching, looking at pics and readibg as much as possible about S550s.
I honestly thought all the stuff I was reading about the P Zeros was rubbish, After all, its a good tyre according to reviews and why would Ford fit a tyre that does not work.
Then I took delivery and I loved everything about the car but one thing, It was such a handful in the wet. But I still did not put this down to the tyres, I just thought, well what do you expect with a 5 ltr V8 and RWD?
Then, I wore out the first set of tyres and wacked on some MPSS tyres on the rear/ Completely transformed the car at the rear. I was stunned at the difference.
So yep, I completely get why anyone would change them out straight away
Definitely worth changing the tyres on the Mustang! I am assuming here that UK spec S550 cars come with Pirelli P Zero all seasons. When I first got my 2014 s197 5.0 my car had these on. As an expat Brit I had never had a car with these jack of all trades tyres on. My car felt wayward and would snap out in the dry, I assumed this was due to the power/ crude suspension. However Wisconsin winters and the fact it's my daily driver caused me to go for a two tyre solution (Conti Winter contact SI for winter and Conti Extreme contact sport for summer).
In short the car is a totally different beast. I was able to keep going whatever the weather in winter and the summer tyre has been a revelation. I was thinking Michelin PSS but the Conti offer is new for this year and with rebates and the fact that they are aggressively trying to grab market share made them just too cheap to ignore. Result is the car is transformed. If the UK GT's come on 235/50 r18s I would suggest the PSS (That conti I believe is US market only), and your car will be transformed! Here's hoping Michelin see sense and introduce the PS4S soon in our standard size!
In short the car is a totally different beast. I was able to keep going whatever the weather in winter and the summer tyre has been a revelation. I was thinking Michelin PSS but the Conti offer is new for this year and with rebates and the fact that they are aggressively trying to grab market share made them just too cheap to ignore. Result is the car is transformed. If the UK GT's come on 235/50 r18s I would suggest the PSS (That conti I believe is US market only), and your car will be transformed! Here's hoping Michelin see sense and introduce the PS4S soon in our standard size!
....but how many retailers would voluntarily change all of the tyres, and absorb the cost of doing so, on a nearly new car ? Especially when most people buying wouldn't have a clue that the standard fit tyres were a bit iffy ? How many Ford Store used cars are getting this treatment ?
And mention in the ad that they were going to change all of the tyres but without explaining why which they could along the lines "we will change all of the tyres because the standard fit ones are poor and we pride ourselves with making sure our customers have the best possible experience"
An alternative explanation could be "although the car has done only 1,000 miles, it has been a demonstrator on which 'line lock' has been regularly used at the local McDonalds car park and, as a consequence, the tyres are fed and we will be changing them for nice new ones"
And mention in the ad that they were going to change all of the tyres but without explaining why which they could along the lines "we will change all of the tyres because the standard fit ones are poor and we pride ourselves with making sure our customers have the best possible experience"
An alternative explanation could be "although the car has done only 1,000 miles, it has been a demonstrator on which 'line lock' has been regularly used at the local McDonalds car park and, as a consequence, the tyres are f
ed and we will be changing them for nice new ones"OddCat said:
....but how many retailers would voluntarily change all of the tyres, and absorb the cost of doing so, on a nearly new car ? Especially when most people buying wouldn't have a clue that the standard fit tyres were a bit iffy ? How many Ford Store used cars are getting this treatment ?
And mention in the ad that they were going to change all of the tyres but without explaining why which they could along the lines "we will change all of the tyres because the standard fit ones are poor and we pride ourselves with making sure our customers have the best possible experience"
An alternative explanation could be "although the car has done only 1,000 miles, it has been a demonstrator on which 'line lock' has been regularly used at the local McDonalds car park and, as a consequence, the tyres are fed and we will be changing them for nice new ones"
It doesn't say that the retailer changed them specifically it could have been whoever owned it? Would the Pirellis not still have value in them with only a few miles on them?And mention in the ad that they were going to change all of the tyres but without explaining why which they could along the lines "we will change all of the tyres because the standard fit ones are poor and we pride ourselves with making sure our customers have the best possible experience"
An alternative explanation could be "although the car has done only 1,000 miles, it has been a demonstrator on which 'line lock' has been regularly used at the local McDonalds car park and, as a consequence, the tyres are f
ed and we will be changing them for nice new ones"Of course the line lock theory is entirely plausible, either way the car has better tyres now so it's a win win for whoever buys it.
djc206 said:
It doesn't say that the retailer changed them specifically it could have been whoever owned it? Would the Pirellis not still have value in them with only a few miles on them?
Of course the line lock theory is entirely plausible, either way the car has better tyres now so it's a win win for whoever buys it.
Well, it says "Immediate post-collection fitment of 4 Michelin Pilot Sport tyres" so, to me, it is saying that the tyres are not yet changed but the retailer will do so upon collection". Either something is odd about that or they are retailer of the year (given that no retailer I can think of would change nearly new factory fit tyres for brand new ones just to be nice)Of course the line lock theory is entirely plausible, either way the car has better tyres now so it's a win win for whoever buys it.
OddCat said:
djc206 said:
It doesn't say that the retailer changed them specifically it could have been whoever owned it? Would the Pirellis not still have value in them with only a few miles on them?
Of course the line lock theory is entirely plausible, either way the car has better tyres now so it's a win win for whoever buys it.
Well, it says "Immediate post-collection fitment of 4 Michelin Pilot Sport tyres" so, to me, it is saying that the tyres are not yet changed but the retailer will do so upon collection". Either something is odd about that or they are retailer of the year (given that no retailer I can think of would change nearly new factory fit tyres for brand new ones just to be nice)Of course the line lock theory is entirely plausible, either way the car has better tyres now so it's a win win for whoever buys it.
mwyatt82 said:
Definitely worth changing the tyres on the Mustang! I am assuming here that UK spec S550 cars come with Pirelli P Zero all seasons. When I first got my 2014 s197 5.0 my car had these on. As an expat Brit I had never had a car with these jack of all trades tyres on. My car felt wayward and would snap out in the dry, I assumed this was due to the power/ crude suspension. However Wisconsin winters and the fact it's my daily driver caused me to go for a two tyre solution (Conti Winter contact SI for winter and Conti Extreme contact sport for summer).
In short the car is a totally different beast. I was able to keep going whatever the weather in winter and the summer tyre has been a revelation. I was thinking Michelin PSS but the Conti offer is new for this year and with rebates and the fact that they are aggressively trying to grab market share made them just too cheap to ignore. Result is the car is transformed. If the UK GT's come on 235/50 r18s I would suggest the PSS (That conti I believe is US market only), and your car will be transformed! Here's hoping Michelin see sense and introduce the PS4S soon in our standard size!
UK cars come with the Summer P Zero's. I have the A/S on my CS, done 4000 miles, in wet, dry, ice, cold, done 140mph down the runway in the wet, use Wet/snow mode in the bad weather, and they are fine In short the car is a totally different beast. I was able to keep going whatever the weather in winter and the summer tyre has been a revelation. I was thinking Michelin PSS but the Conti offer is new for this year and with rebates and the fact that they are aggressively trying to grab market share made them just too cheap to ignore. Result is the car is transformed. If the UK GT's come on 235/50 r18s I would suggest the PSS (That conti I believe is US market only), and your car will be transformed! Here's hoping Michelin see sense and introduce the PS4S soon in our standard size!
I've got my Mustang booked to get a set of Continental Contact Sports fitted this weekend. I did want MPS4S fitted but they seem very limited availability, the only rears I could find were on mytyres at over £300 per tyre.
The reviews I've read rate the Contis as similar to the Michelin's but without wearing as well. Considering how much cheaper they are I can swallow that. I'll report back once I've had a good go in them in a variety of weather conditions.
The reviews I've read rate the Contis as similar to the Michelin's but without wearing as well. Considering how much cheaper they are I can swallow that. I'll report back once I've had a good go in them in a variety of weather conditions.
Hey all, just picked up my S550 GT and the OE fit Pirelli’s on the rear need changing. Reading this thread it would seem foolish to put the same tyres on again, so I have two questions:
1. How does the Mustang cope with different tyres brands on the front and rear axles? I know from experience some cars are very sensitive to this (e46 BMW’s and S2000’s...) whilst others aren’t!
2. Thoughts on the Bridgestone Potenza S001’s? Currently on offer and about £50-£70/tyre cheaper than the other premium brands!
Thanks,
Mike
1. How does the Mustang cope with different tyres brands on the front and rear axles? I know from experience some cars are very sensitive to this (e46 BMW’s and S2000’s...) whilst others aren’t!
2. Thoughts on the Bridgestone Potenza S001’s? Currently on offer and about £50-£70/tyre cheaper than the other premium brands!
Thanks,
Mike
Mike_C said:
Hey all, just picked up my S550 GT and the OE fit Pirelli’s on the rear need changing. Reading this thread it would seem foolish to put the same tyres on again, so I have two questions:
1. How does the Mustang cope with different tyres brands on the front and rear axles? I know from experience some cars are very sensitive to this (e46 BMW’s and S2000’s...) whilst others aren’t!
2. Thoughts on the Bridgestone Potenza S001’s? Currently on offer and about £50-£70/tyre cheaper than the other premium brands!
Thanks,
Mike
Until yesterday I had the original Pirelli’s on the front and Michelin’s on the rear, it didn’t really struggle at all but you could tell it had an inferior tyre at the front especially in the wet.1. How does the Mustang cope with different tyres brands on the front and rear axles? I know from experience some cars are very sensitive to this (e46 BMW’s and S2000’s...) whilst others aren’t!
2. Thoughts on the Bridgestone Potenza S001’s? Currently on offer and about £50-£70/tyre cheaper than the other premium brands!
Thanks,
Mike
I had Bridgestones on my RS4 and wasn’t a big fan.
Black circles are offering money off on Michelin’s at the moment, I’d plump for those
djc206 said:
Until yesterday I had the original Pirelli’s on the front and Michelin’s on the rear, it didn’t really struggle at all but you could tell it had an inferior tyre at the front especially in the wet.
I had Bridgestones on my RS4 and wasn’t a big fan.
Black circles are offering money off on Michelin’s at the moment, I’d plump for those
Ok thanks. Still got the original Pirelli’s on the front, car has only done 8k miles, but don’t really want to change all 4! Will take a look at Michelin - any model in particular? Blackcircles show the Pilot Sport 3 and Primacy 3 in that size...I had Bridgestones on my RS4 and wasn’t a big fan.
Black circles are offering money off on Michelin’s at the moment, I’d plump for those
Mike_C said:
Ok thanks. Still got the original Pirelli’s on the front, car has only done 8k miles, but don’t really want to change all 4! Will take a look at Michelin - any model in particular? Blackcircles show the Pilot Sport 3 and Primacy 3 in that size...
I think I’ve got PSS on the rear and PS4’s on the front.The chap did say another mustang owner locally who has a heavily modified car swears by Goodyear eagle assymetrics which appear to be a bit cheaper
I think Ford should have been shot for fitting the P Zeros to the UK Mustang. Surely a safety issue.
I bet a few crashes were down to tyres that couldn't deal with damp and cold conditions like you get in the errrr UK.
I swapped my rears for the Michelin's come the second winter of ownership and was amazed at what a different car it was.
I bet a few crashes were down to tyres that couldn't deal with damp and cold conditions like you get in the errrr UK.
I swapped my rears for the Michelin's come the second winter of ownership and was amazed at what a different car it was.
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