How the hell can they do it or the price
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I'm guessing that the tax bill and shipping costs per car are much smaller for Ford than a private individual.
Plus, it used to be the case that British made cars were being sold for less in the US than in the UK, so while the taxman takes a chunk, there is considerable flexibility in the list price.
Plus, it used to be the case that British made cars were being sold for less in the US than in the UK, so while the taxman takes a chunk, there is considerable flexibility in the list price.
DSLiverpool said:
Well it does cut some corners, no memory seats, no full electric seats, half trimmed boot and some hard plastics - but it's a total bargain I agree
Who cares about the above.Had mine 2 days now and it is bloody brilliant. Best value for money car out there.
First car that I have ever had and drove it to the gas station to fill up this morning. I never normally go out my way to fill up.
Looking at the US site, the nearest I could get to the spec of the my car would be £2,000 more than the current price of the equivalent here at current exchange rates, by the time you add VAT and duty. Presumably Ford locked in higher $/£ rates some time ago, to keep the UK price at current levels.
keith jecks said:
Looking at the US site, the nearest I could get to the spec of the my car would be £2,000 more than the current price of the equivalent here at current exchange rates, by the time you add VAT and duty. Presumably Ford locked in higher $/£ rates some time ago, to keep the UK price at current levels.
Look at the Canadian Site Fully Loaded California Special Vert Auto 45k with shipping, conversion, everything to get you on the road, so around 2k dearer than a Fully Loaded UK Spec, but with 7 extras you don't get on the UK car
and then you have the cheaper tax per year
So if you are happy to go LHD its not such a bad deal, and only 4 months from ordered factory built to waiting for the blasted DVLA
goldengooner said:
Look at the Canadian Site
Fully Loaded California Special Vert Auto 45k with shipping, conversion, everything to get you on the road, so around 2k dearer than a Fully Loaded UK Spec, but with 7 extras you don't get on the UK car
and then you have the cheaper tax per year
So if you are happy to go LHD its not such a bad deal, and only 4 months from ordered factory built to waiting for the blasted DVLA
Are you including the steering wheel on the wrong side in those 7 or is that the 8th?Fully Loaded California Special Vert Auto 45k with shipping, conversion, everything to get you on the road, so around 2k dearer than a Fully Loaded UK Spec, but with 7 extras you don't get on the UK car
and then you have the cheaper tax per year
So if you are happy to go LHD its not such a bad deal, and only 4 months from ordered factory built to waiting for the blasted DVLA
Edited by Centurion07 on Saturday 18th June 20:50
Centurion07 said:
goldengooner said:
Look at the Canadian Site
Fully Loaded California Special Vert Auto 45k with shipping, conversion, everything to get you on the road, so around 2k dearer than a Fully Loaded UK Spec, but with 7 extras you don't get on the UK car
and then you have the cheaper tax per year
So if you are happy to go LHD its not such a bad deal, and only 4 months from ordered factory built to waiting for the blasted DVLA
Are you including the steering wheel on the wrong side in those 7 or is that the 8th?Fully Loaded California Special Vert Auto 45k with shipping, conversion, everything to get you on the road, so around 2k dearer than a Fully Loaded UK Spec, but with 7 extras you don't get on the UK car
and then you have the cheaper tax per year
So if you are happy to go LHD its not such a bad deal, and only 4 months from ordered factory built to waiting for the blasted DVLA
Edited by Centurion07 on Saturday 18th June 20:50
I mean if it was still only on the LHD you would not have one, would you?
So its thanks to me and many 1000s like me, who have bought Mustangs in the past, and made them so successful that they now do a RHD.
So next time you want a cheap dig, just remember that
Edited by goldengooner on Sunday 19th June 00:52
Cheap dig? I'm not the one that keeps implying how superior my car is to everyone else's.
The steering wheel is "meant to be" wherever the hell it needs to be for the market it's being sold in. I suppose you begrudge the change to IRS too?
There is nothing currently on the market that compares directly to this Mustang. Ford saw a gap. THAT'S why they took the decision to make it in RHD; NOT because a few people import LHD, so you'll excuse me if I dont bow down before the great LHD owner.
I personally would never own a LHD, but I don't have an issue with them, unlike you and your obvious disdain for RHD.
The steering wheel is "meant to be" wherever the hell it needs to be for the market it's being sold in. I suppose you begrudge the change to IRS too?
There is nothing currently on the market that compares directly to this Mustang. Ford saw a gap. THAT'S why they took the decision to make it in RHD; NOT because a few people import LHD, so you'll excuse me if I dont bow down before the great LHD owner.
I personally would never own a LHD, but I don't have an issue with them, unlike you and your obvious disdain for RHD.
Edited by Centurion07 on Sunday 19th June 06:47
goldengooner said:
Centurion07 said:
goldengooner said:
Look at the Canadian Site
Fully Loaded California Special Vert Auto 45k with shipping, conversion, everything to get you on the road, so around 2k dearer than a Fully Loaded UK Spec, but with 7 extras you don't get on the UK car
and then you have the cheaper tax per year
So if you are happy to go LHD its not such a bad deal, and only 4 months from ordered factory built to waiting for the blasted DVLA
Are you including the steering wheel on the wrong side in those 7 or is that the 8th?Fully Loaded California Special Vert Auto 45k with shipping, conversion, everything to get you on the road, so around 2k dearer than a Fully Loaded UK Spec, but with 7 extras you don't get on the UK car
and then you have the cheaper tax per year
So if you are happy to go LHD its not such a bad deal, and only 4 months from ordered factory built to waiting for the blasted DVLA
Edited by Centurion07 on Saturday 18th June 20:50
I mean if it was still only on the LHD you would not have one, would you?
So its thanks to me and many 1000s like me, who have bought Mustangs in the past, and made them so successful that they now do a RHD.
So next time you want a cheap dig, just remember that
Edited by goldengooner on Sunday 19th June 00:52
Most buy an off the peg suit from the local retail outlet (the bog standard rhd GT from a Ford Store) but a few prefer a more tailored approach (the lhd California Special from Boatwrights).
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Yes I am not knocking the UK S550, as I have said if I had not gone to Trustford Dagenham that day, I would not have fallen in love with the Black Vert. But as you say for me having driven a LHD for 4 years, going back to a LHD was not am issue for me. Yes the warranty will not be as good, and little things like Puddle Lights I might have to pay out for. But in 4 years of ownership of my S197 only issue i ever had was a new battery and the mods I changed
You are right, I have never spent so much money on a car before, never had a brand new motor, So I felt that for the extra 3k I could get all the toys that were left off the UK car, is that so wrong? And I do prefer the look of the CS. I'm not a fool, i know the resale value will drop a ton, and most would prefer a 2nd hand RHD a lot less hassle. But I wanted something a bit different to the UK S550, I want to keep this car for many years "please god"
The question was asked about the US price, so I said about the Canadian Site was that so wrong?
And also the money a lot of people are spending on spoilers and grilles badges, wheels, stripes, this car is perfect for me only mods has been the Borla S, duel rear light system, and the rear dashcam for the vert
So when you take into a new spoiler, and other stuff, the price evens up more and of course the cheaper tax.
But I have got friends on the Mustang Owners Club who have sold their old Mustangs and bought a UK S550, now have to admit that does puzzle me, but that's their choice, and everyone is allowed to make choices and decisions that is until the powers that be learn how to brainwash us, Apple have been trying for years !!!
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Yes I am not knocking the UK S550, as I have said if I had not gone to Trustford Dagenham that day, I would not have fallen in love with the Black Vert. But as you say for me having driven a LHD for 4 years, going back to a LHD was not am issue for me. Yes the warranty will not be as good, and little things like Puddle Lights I might have to pay out for. But in 4 years of ownership of my S197 only issue i ever had was a new battery and the mods I changed
You are right, I have never spent so much money on a car before, never had a brand new motor, So I felt that for the extra 3k I could get all the toys that were left off the UK car, is that so wrong? And I do prefer the look of the CS. I'm not a fool, i know the resale value will drop a ton, and most would prefer a 2nd hand RHD a lot less hassle. But I wanted something a bit different to the UK S550, I want to keep this car for many years "please god"
The question was asked about the US price, so I said about the Canadian Site was that so wrong?
And also the money a lot of people are spending on spoilers and grilles badges, wheels, stripes, this car is perfect for me only mods has been the Borla S, duel rear light system, and the rear dashcam for the vert
So when you take into a new spoiler, and other stuff, the price evens up more and of course the cheaper tax.
But I have got friends on the Mustang Owners Club who have sold their old Mustangs and bought a UK S550, now have to admit that does puzzle me, but that's their choice, and everyone is allowed to make choices and decisions that is until the powers that be learn how to brainwash us, Apple have been trying for years !!!
Edited by goldengooner on Sunday 19th June 13:23
Edited by goldengooner on Sunday 19th June 13:25
goldengooner said:
keith jecks said:
Looking at the US site, the nearest I could get to the spec of the my car would be £2,000 more than the current price of the equivalent here at current exchange rates, by the time you add VAT and duty. Presumably Ford locked in higher $/£ rates some time ago, to keep the UK price at current levels.
Look at the Canadian Site Fully Loaded California Special Vert Auto 45k with shipping, conversion, everything to get you on the road, so around 2k dearer than a Fully Loaded UK Spec, but with 7 extras you don't get on the UK car
and then you have the cheaper tax per year
So if you are happy to go LHD its not such a bad deal, and only 4 months from ordered factory built to waiting for the blasted DVLA
more expensive, no warranty, steering wheel on wrong side for UK roads,much heavier depreciation based on very limited resale market and output volumes......I can understand buying left hand drive, I enjoyed my Viper previously and would import a new one if my numbers come up one Saturday, perhaps even a GT350R if they wont be sold here at some point - but importing a left hand drive version of a right hand drive car .......... bonkers imho
Bennno
I can understand buying left hand drive, I enjoyed my Viper previously and would import a new one if my numbers come up one Saturday, perhaps even a GT350R if they wont be sold here at some point - but importing a left hand drive version of a right hand drive car .......... bonkers imho
Bennno
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who make you God?
Who are you to say its Bonkers
In 4 years in my S197 i had to buy a new battery, I paid 2.5k extra for a much more Tech car, a car that will be like Gold Dust over here, i wanted something different, for me the S197 was a rare car, well so is the California Special
My warranty is 3 years the same as the UK one,
And instead of getting the car and spending 1000s on spoiler grille wheels tires spending 100s on getting the front tri light's to work, its all there for me, as one package, all in, just perfect
So you have your UK S550 and I will have my US CS, and we will both enjoy them for many years
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my tax is also cheaper, and if the UK warranty is so good, why are people in the US and the UK paying to get things done, as they don't trust Ford. I mean at least 40 people and counting who are paying £400 for the cars to be undersealed as they don't trust Ford to do the job. Also some parts for the UK car are on back order, I can get parts within 7 days flown in. Just cause it has a warranty does not mean its going to be so great. Go onto Mustang6g, and if you have driven a LHD before, why are you saying it's not for British roads? Do you know how many LHD cars are in the UK?
Bennno
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who make you God?
Who are you to say its Bonkers
In 4 years in my S197 i had to buy a new battery, I paid 2.5k extra for a much more Tech car, a car that will be like Gold Dust over here, i wanted something different, for me the S197 was a rare car, well so is the California Special
My warranty is 3 years the same as the UK one,
And instead of getting the car and spending 1000s on spoiler grille wheels tires spending 100s on getting the front tri light's to work, its all there for me, as one package, all in, just perfect
So you have your UK S550 and I will have my US CS, and we will both enjoy them for many years
PS
my tax is also cheaper, and if the UK warranty is so good, why are people in the US and the UK paying to get things done, as they don't trust Ford. I mean at least 40 people and counting who are paying £400 for the cars to be undersealed as they don't trust Ford to do the job. Also some parts for the UK car are on back order, I can get parts within 7 days flown in. Just cause it has a warranty does not mean its going to be so great. Go onto Mustang6g, and if you have driven a LHD before, why are you saying it's not for British roads? Do you know how many LHD cars are in the UK?
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goldengooner said:
So you have your UK S550 and I will have my US CS, and we will both enjoy them for many years...
THAT^ is all that matters. Bear that in mind when reading the rest of my responses. 
goldengooner said:
who make you God?
Who are you to say its Bonkers?
The same as you proclaiming how wonderful LHD is compared to RHD.Who are you to say its Bonkers?
goldengooner said:
I paid 2.5k extra for a much more Tech car, a car that will be like Gold Dust over here...
Yes, it will. As long as you keep that car then that rarity factor is great. It won't be so great when it comes time to sell as it's LHD!goldengooner said:
My warranty is 3 years the same as the UK one
Your warranty is not a FORD warranty. I have no experience with the company your warranty is with, but as long as YOU trust them then that's all that matters.goldengooner said:
...instead of getting the car and spending 1000s on spoiler grille wheels tires spending 100s on getting the front tri light's to work, its all there for me, as one package, all in, just perfect
Which is fine, FOR YOU. People are not spending 000's because their cars are not good enough. They're spending that money to personalise them. Not because the RHD cars don't come with all the stuff the LHD ones do. Would I like the tribar DRL's? Yes. Would I like some other features that the LHD cars have? Yes. Would I buy a LHD to get those features? NO, because LHD is not for me. Nor is it for the VAST majority of UK buyers. Hence the sales figures for the new RHD car vs LHD imports.goldengooner said:
my tax is also cheaper, and if the UK warranty is so good, why are people in the US and the UK paying to get things done, as they don't trust Ford. I mean at least 40 people and counting who are paying £400 for the cars to be undersealed as they don't trust Ford to do the job. Also some parts for the UK car are on back order, I can get parts within 7 days flown in. Just cause it has a warranty does not mean its going to be so great.
People are paying to get the job done that Ford have not had done properly in the first place; it's not about a lack of trust in Ford to do it going forwards. There has been ONE documented case of underseal being re-done under warranty but I don't see it becoming the norm any time soon.Yes, a Ford warranty is no guarantee of anything over your aftermarket one. That said, I would put money on a Ford warranty claim being prioritised over your non-Ford one if it were for a "rare" part.
goldengooner said:
Do you know how many LHD cars are in the UK?
There are 30 LHD cars for sale on PH. There look to be almost 1500 PAGES of RHD cars. If that's anything to go by then the answer to your question is "not a lot".goldengooner said:
...and if you have driven a LHD before, why are you saying it's not for British roads?
As Benno says, it makes overtaking a lot more dicey which, admittedly, is only a fraction of total driving time. Ticket machines/drive-thrus etc etc are all on the right.You say you're confused as to why some LHD Mustang owners you know have sold them and gone for this new RHD one? It's because they fall into the middle of 3 camps: happy to drive LHD; will PUT UP with LHD to own the car they want; would never own LHD. They have traded their cars in because whilst they can put up with LHD to own a specific car that isn't available in RHD, if the car they want IS available in RHD then that's what they prefer.
You say your car will be rare over here. It will be, which is great, until it comes time to sell. The reason being that the market for LHD cars is TINY over here. So regardless of how rare and special your car is, your potential customer base is a fraction of what it will be for the RHD cars, no matter what wonderful unavailable-on-the-RHD-version options it has. Within your customer base, it will no doubt command a premium, but your potential customers amount to what, 1% of the number of potential RHD buyers?
As I keep pointing out to you since you keep beating the "LHD is better" drum, as long as YOU are happy, then that's all that matters, but stop acting confused as to why anyone would take a RHD over a LHD.
Edited by Centurion07 on Tuesday 21st June 10:11
vaughan watkins said:
God this gets boring, drive what the f--- you like, enjoy what you like and respect another mans decisions, lets face it were all different thank god and nobody is better than anyone else. ENJOY YOUR CARS
yep as i said above, but then "you know who" wakes up, what was the name of that Dragon :-)At the end of the day, each has different tastes, like different colours, different exhausts, As i have said over and over again, if not for the UK Black on Black I would not have got the S550 bug.
Edited by goldengooner on Tuesday 21st June 17:36
I understand Goldengooner's point perfectly.
Firstly, the market for Mustangs in the UK is a very healthy one. it was a healthy one long before the RHD arrived and it will remain so. For many, LHD is the key factor in making the car "American".
I once had a 1981 RHD Mustang Ghia and it just wasn't the same.
I think people who appreciate Mustangs will also want and covet a well-looked after and cherished Cali Special and LHD makes them feel part of the American car show scene. VXR8s and their ilk are accepted but they are not quite "the same". I would take a loved and cared for LHD CS over a well used PCP RHD car. I don't know but also suspect you may get better rates on a LHD car through the specialists. Regardless, if it lets you get a car quicker than you can get it in the UK, then that's great.
As for resale, I'm not convinced the LHD would be any worse than the RHD but being more exclusive, it might even do better...
My own experience of Ford with a Fiesta ST is that you won't be writing home about a UK Ford warranty.
My S197 also has only had a battery in 11 years and parts can be obtained swiftly from the US.
Overall, it doesn't matter. I know Goldengooner is into the American car thing and I suspect that many RHD buyers don't much care, they jut see it as a big bargain coupe and won't give a monkey about the history of the model. Either way, as long as you're happy... who cares.
Firstly, the market for Mustangs in the UK is a very healthy one. it was a healthy one long before the RHD arrived and it will remain so. For many, LHD is the key factor in making the car "American".
I once had a 1981 RHD Mustang Ghia and it just wasn't the same.
I think people who appreciate Mustangs will also want and covet a well-looked after and cherished Cali Special and LHD makes them feel part of the American car show scene. VXR8s and their ilk are accepted but they are not quite "the same". I would take a loved and cared for LHD CS over a well used PCP RHD car. I don't know but also suspect you may get better rates on a LHD car through the specialists. Regardless, if it lets you get a car quicker than you can get it in the UK, then that's great.
As for resale, I'm not convinced the LHD would be any worse than the RHD but being more exclusive, it might even do better...
My own experience of Ford with a Fiesta ST is that you won't be writing home about a UK Ford warranty.
My S197 also has only had a battery in 11 years and parts can be obtained swiftly from the US.
Overall, it doesn't matter. I know Goldengooner is into the American car thing and I suspect that many RHD buyers don't much care, they jut see it as a big bargain coupe and won't give a monkey about the history of the model. Either way, as long as you're happy... who cares.
Edited by LuS1fer on Tuesday 21st June 19:00
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