2015 Mustang Effects
Discussion
I'm torn between a Mustang and a Challenger, also I don't know whether to get the V6 or V8 models.
I'd prefer a Mustang but I'm VERY concerned about whether the 2015 Euro Mustang will devalue the LHD pre 2015 models.
Also is there any idea yet as to when the 2015 model is out, I'm tax free entitled until Aug 2015 and may consider a Euro 2015 model?
I'd prefer a Mustang but I'm VERY concerned about whether the 2015 Euro Mustang will devalue the LHD pre 2015 models.
Also is there any idea yet as to when the 2015 model is out, I'm tax free entitled until Aug 2015 and may consider a Euro 2015 model?
Buckers30 said:
I'm torn between a Mustang and a Challenger, also I don't know whether to get the V6 or V8 models.
I'd prefer a Mustang but I'm VERY concerned about whether the 2015 Euro Mustang will devalue the LHD pre 2015 models.
Also is there any idea yet as to when the 2015 model is out, I'm tax free entitled until Aug 2015 and may consider a Euro 2015 model?
Challenger is much bigger than a Mustang so difficult to compare the two.I'd prefer a Mustang but I'm VERY concerned about whether the 2015 Euro Mustang will devalue the LHD pre 2015 models.
Also is there any idea yet as to when the 2015 model is out, I'm tax free entitled until Aug 2015 and may consider a Euro 2015 model?
2015 Mustang is so different to the previous model you can't compare them. 2015 is available from late this year.
At the end of the day, they're all just cars. Buy which one you prefer.
I am not convinced the new Mustang will devalue the old ones but who can say?
I have an 05 and wouldn't buy an ugly 2015 if you paid me and I know a lot of people who feel the same so this alone should keep prices at a reasonable level.
Unlike the last generation SN95, the S197, being retro, is far more timeless and, dare I say it, in 20 years time, I think will be more sought after than the rather anonymous 2015.
Unfortunately, there is no real precedent, save for the Chrysler 300 and Cadillac CTS, both of which came here in RHD and promptly depreciated like every other car on the market. However, the LHD CTS-V, which never came here, didn't. So it's all top do with desirabilty and rarity and the older car looks set to be a far rarer sight than the 2015 (assuming it sells).
They said renaming Daewoos as Chevrolets would impact on camaros and Corvettes but it never did.
For me, the only downside is that there will be far more Tom, Dick and Harrys down the pub telling people they drive a Mustang but it will probably still be a 4 banger turbo sitting outside.
You may be etter served trying to get hold of one of the more collectible older cars like a Bullitt or a Parnelli-Jones or a Boss.
I have an 05 and wouldn't buy an ugly 2015 if you paid me and I know a lot of people who feel the same so this alone should keep prices at a reasonable level.
Unlike the last generation SN95, the S197, being retro, is far more timeless and, dare I say it, in 20 years time, I think will be more sought after than the rather anonymous 2015.
Unfortunately, there is no real precedent, save for the Chrysler 300 and Cadillac CTS, both of which came here in RHD and promptly depreciated like every other car on the market. However, the LHD CTS-V, which never came here, didn't. So it's all top do with desirabilty and rarity and the older car looks set to be a far rarer sight than the 2015 (assuming it sells).
They said renaming Daewoos as Chevrolets would impact on camaros and Corvettes but it never did.
For me, the only downside is that there will be far more Tom, Dick and Harrys down the pub telling people they drive a Mustang but it will probably still be a 4 banger turbo sitting outside.
You may be etter served trying to get hold of one of the more collectible older cars like a Bullitt or a Parnelli-Jones or a Boss.
LuS1fer said:
For me, the only downside is that there will be far more Tom, Dick and Harrys down the pub telling people they drive a Mustang but it will probably still be a 4 banger turbo sitting outside.
You may be etter served trying to get hold of one of the more collectible older cars like a Bullitt or a Parnelli-Jones or a Boss.
Nowt wrong with a 4 pot turbo. Mountune have confirmed they're developing a performance package for the 2.3, which is nice. And anything mainstream and LHD will lose out when the RHD variants rock up. Yes they're different generations, but it won't take long for people to realise how much of a step forward the new car is. You may be etter served trying to get hold of one of the more collectible older cars like a Bullitt or a Parnelli-Jones or a Boss.
I know someone who has imported a couple of GT500's from Qatar for peanuts. Very clean cars too. So all in all, I'm going to bet that the rhd UK 2015 Mustang will hold its own. Especially when the tuner scene here picks up for them.
People are far more likely to modify their pony car than they are anything German. Hopefully Ford UK and Mountune will extend their warranty agreement to the V8.
In five years time the LHD 'retro' Mustang will be in a similar situation to lhd VW Beetle's and lhd mk1 TT's. Only it's a lot harder to repatriate a Mustang then it is to drive something VAG over to Germany.
Hellbound said:
Nowt wrong with a 4 pot turbo. Mountune have confirmed they're developing a performance package for the 2.3, which is nice. And anything mainstream and LHD will lose out when the RHD variants rock up. Yes they're different generations, but it won't take long for people to realise how much of a step forward the new car is.
I know someone who has imported a couple of GT500's from Qatar for peanuts. Very clean cars too. So all in all, I'm going to bet that the rhd UK 2015 Mustang will hold its own. Especially when the tuner scene here picks up for them.
People are far more likely to modify their pony car than they are anything German. Hopefully Ford UK and Mountune will extend their warranty agreement to the V8.
In five years time the LHD 'retro' Mustang will be in a similar situation to lhd VW Beetle's and lhd mk1 TT's. Only it's a lot harder to repatriate a Mustang then it is to drive something VAG over to Germany.
LHD American cars have always been popular in the UK and have also had glacially slow depreciation, representing far better residuals than any RHD car. The Monaro and VXR8 depreciate far more heavily than Mustangs, Camaros and Corvettes.I know someone who has imported a couple of GT500's from Qatar for peanuts. Very clean cars too. So all in all, I'm going to bet that the rhd UK 2015 Mustang will hold its own. Especially when the tuner scene here picks up for them.
People are far more likely to modify their pony car than they are anything German. Hopefully Ford UK and Mountune will extend their warranty agreement to the V8.
In five years time the LHD 'retro' Mustang will be in a similar situation to lhd VW Beetle's and lhd mk1 TT's. Only it's a lot harder to repatriate a Mustang then it is to drive something VAG over to Germany.
Imports also have a nice low VED, something the RHD cars won't get.
In my view, the stylistically-challenged 2015 Mustang will sell in similar low numbers to the GT86 and 370Z and only if it ever gets a diesel is it likely to sell to the lemmings.
I think you misjudge just how much a part of American car ownership, LHD is. Most Yank car owners demand it. I'm not suggesting that people will import LHD 2015 Mustangs. no point when they become a normal sight.
As for the retro cars losing popularity, that's not going to happen. Evvery time I take mine out, I am still inundated by people admiring it. The retro styling is what makes it - rather like the MINI and Fiat 500. The new Mustang has now departed from that, something neither of the latter two have. Whether that pays off for Ford is something that remains to be seen. Maybe the world has moved on.
However, let's not forget that Ford tried the turbo four in the past with the SVO.
All sounds very familiar...
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/1980-ford-must...
This is down to numbers more than anything. There was never an over supply of American cars here so the argument that they hold their value goes without saying. There just aren't enough around and are unique enough to not be worthless.
The new car looks better to my eyes and that's without properly seeing it in the metal. I've seen enough of the old car to know it isn't a coherent design. And it certainly wasn't universally welcomed when it was unveiled originally. The GT86 and 370Z do not have the same following as the Mustang. Both hark back to their forebears but there simply isn't the continuous lineage there with anything JDM beyond the Skyline/GTR or rally heroes. Either way, the culture the Mustang brings with it may find a whole new audience here in the UK, beyond your own idea of who a typical Mustang owner is.
I do think there's an untapped demand for the iconic American dream/California living, carefree torque laden muscle car, which is the camp I belong to. But we're speculating. I also think for every buyer who goes the LHD, import route, there are far more who would want it in RHD and UK guise. I don't think the 'American' nature of the Mustang lies solely with it being LHD.
We don't know how the new Mustang will shape up. The Mustang you own looks terrible in basic spec. It doesn't sit well on the road unless it's a V8 and/or it has some modifications. But isn't that part of muscle car ownership? I think the new car will evolve into something greater than the current/old car. And the new car certainly continues with the Mustang detail language that is still considered retro by some.
Ford have made a few mistakes with the Mustang over the years. I think people in the UK only really remember the positives and the masses certainly won't have followed the ins and outs of the model line through the years. This all bodes well for the new model as it's a chance to start afresh.
From what I've seen of the new car it does look a bit of a beast, especially in black. The performance models will only improve on the standard car. Predicting sales numbers is tricky as medium to big coupes from Ford have never been successful here. I think it's a win/win for British customers in any case.
Edited by Hellbound on Monday 19th May 21:31
I can't agree on the styling point.
The 2005 MY Mustang represented record sales for the modern Mustang, peaking at over 160,000 units and demand stayed high until 2008.
This has fallen to just over half that by 2013 and a lot of the dent in sales has to be laid at the doors of the Challenger and Camaro. However, the 2005 remains far and away the best seller.
Nobody expected the Mustang to remain an anachronism forever but, regrettably, that is its raw appeal for me. What I want is a modern 1968 car with the appeal of a classic, the newness of a modern car and handling somewhere in between - fast but fun. I'm not interested in 'Ring times or pulling over 1g. I'm not interested in Audi interiors and the danger in chasing BMW (which Ford have benchmarked themselves against) is that BMW already have that market.
It will be interesting to see how well the 2015 Mustang does because even when the styistically-challenged 2010 got modified, sales still remained about the same.
If I was buying now, I'd be buying a Camaro or Challenger, not this car. I jumped ship from a Camaro to a Mustang back in 2005 after GM binned their pony car in 2002. Of course, if the 2015 Mustang is a success then it will be interesting to see what GM does to change the Camaro but who knows, we shall have to wait and see.
The 2005 MY Mustang represented record sales for the modern Mustang, peaking at over 160,000 units and demand stayed high until 2008.
This has fallen to just over half that by 2013 and a lot of the dent in sales has to be laid at the doors of the Challenger and Camaro. However, the 2005 remains far and away the best seller.
Nobody expected the Mustang to remain an anachronism forever but, regrettably, that is its raw appeal for me. What I want is a modern 1968 car with the appeal of a classic, the newness of a modern car and handling somewhere in between - fast but fun. I'm not interested in 'Ring times or pulling over 1g. I'm not interested in Audi interiors and the danger in chasing BMW (which Ford have benchmarked themselves against) is that BMW already have that market.
It will be interesting to see how well the 2015 Mustang does because even when the styistically-challenged 2010 got modified, sales still remained about the same.
If I was buying now, I'd be buying a Camaro or Challenger, not this car. I jumped ship from a Camaro to a Mustang back in 2005 after GM binned their pony car in 2002. Of course, if the 2015 Mustang is a success then it will be interesting to see what GM does to change the Camaro but who knows, we shall have to wait and see.
LuS1fer said:
I can't agree on the styling point.
The 2005 MY Mustang represented record sales for the modern Mustang, peaking at over 160,000 units and demand stayed high until 2008.
This has fallen to just over half that by 2013 and a lot of the dent in sales has to be laid at the doors of the Challenger and Camaro. However, the 2005 remains far and away the best seller.
Nobody expected the Mustang to remain an anachronism forever but, regrettably, that is its raw appeal for me. What I want is a modern 1968 car with the appeal of a classic, the newness of a modern car and handling somewhere in between - fast but fun. I'm not interested in 'Ring times or pulling over 1g. I'm not interested in Audi interiors and the danger in chasing BMW (which Ford have benchmarked themselves against) is that BMW already have that market.
It will be interesting to see how well the 2015 Mustang does because even when the styistically-challenged 2010 got modified, sales still remained about the same.
If I was buying now, I'd be buying a Camaro or Challenger, not this car. I jumped ship from a Camaro to a Mustang back in 2005 after GM binned their pony car in 2002. Of course, if the 2015 Mustang is a success then it will be interesting to see what GM does to change the Camaro but who knows, we shall have to wait and see.
I wouldn't touch GM after their behavior which has been well documented in the news. The 2005 MY Mustang represented record sales for the modern Mustang, peaking at over 160,000 units and demand stayed high until 2008.
This has fallen to just over half that by 2013 and a lot of the dent in sales has to be laid at the doors of the Challenger and Camaro. However, the 2005 remains far and away the best seller.
Nobody expected the Mustang to remain an anachronism forever but, regrettably, that is its raw appeal for me. What I want is a modern 1968 car with the appeal of a classic, the newness of a modern car and handling somewhere in between - fast but fun. I'm not interested in 'Ring times or pulling over 1g. I'm not interested in Audi interiors and the danger in chasing BMW (which Ford have benchmarked themselves against) is that BMW already have that market.
It will be interesting to see how well the 2015 Mustang does because even when the styistically-challenged 2010 got modified, sales still remained about the same.
If I was buying now, I'd be buying a Camaro or Challenger, not this car. I jumped ship from a Camaro to a Mustang back in 2005 after GM binned their pony car in 2002. Of course, if the 2015 Mustang is a success then it will be interesting to see what GM does to change the Camaro but who knows, we shall have to wait and see.
With prices starting at $24,425 for a reasonably specified entry level V6, Ford potentially have another success on their hands. And that's being modest.
The only thing that could curtail my excitement is if Ford decide to price it from £35k here in the UK. That would be ridiculous. I think a £ equivalent of the dollar price wouldn't be laughed at.
Great replies Hellbound..RHD is one plus point for UK sales as is a full UK guarantee which buyers never had before (OK my 2011GT had a warranty but that's not the same as full dealer support). I feel Lusifer and others will be surprised at the popularity of the new model. Stylistically challenged - I think not there is enough of old and new to satisfy all. The interior improvements (the 2010+ was in a different league to the 05-09 models - I know I had one)together with IRS will bring in a whole new generation of enthusiasts.
Anyway US pricing has been released
Mustang V6 Fastback (050A) - $24,425
Mustang V6 Fastback (051A) - $25,420
Mustang ECOBOOST Fastback (100A) - $25,995
Mustang ECOBOOST Fastback (200A): $29,995
Mustang ECOBOOST Fastback (201A): $31,790
MUSTANG GT Fastback (300A) - $32,925
MUSTANG GT Premium Fastback (400A) - $36,100
MUSTANG GT Premium Fastback (401A) - $38,720
MUSTANG GT 50YR Anniversary (500A) - $46,995
Well looking at the US prices I reckon what I want goes as follows..
2.3 ecoboost 200A $29995
Options
Convertible $ unknown
Auto 44B $1195
Eco perf pack 67E $1995
Reverse assist 77R $295
Triple Yellow tricoat $ unknown
So $36475 and two unknown options
I estimate $40475 which is £24034....
UK taxes and rip off Britain fees should put it in the £30000 ballpark – perfect.
Where do I sign…
(yes I know that's a 5.0).
Anyway US pricing has been released
Mustang V6 Fastback (050A) - $24,425
Mustang V6 Fastback (051A) - $25,420
Mustang ECOBOOST Fastback (100A) - $25,995
Mustang ECOBOOST Fastback (200A): $29,995
Mustang ECOBOOST Fastback (201A): $31,790
MUSTANG GT Fastback (300A) - $32,925
MUSTANG GT Premium Fastback (400A) - $36,100
MUSTANG GT Premium Fastback (401A) - $38,720
MUSTANG GT 50YR Anniversary (500A) - $46,995
Well looking at the US prices I reckon what I want goes as follows..
2.3 ecoboost 200A $29995
Options
Convertible $ unknown
Auto 44B $1195
Eco perf pack 67E $1995
Reverse assist 77R $295
Triple Yellow tricoat $ unknown
So $36475 and two unknown options
I estimate $40475 which is £24034....
UK taxes and rip off Britain fees should put it in the £30000 ballpark – perfect.
Where do I sign…
(yes I know that's a 5.0).
Edited by Mykap on Wednesday 21st May 12:41
I'm interested in how much the V8 will be in the UK, guessing mid £40Ks to £50K + options. Had been planning on an import, but think a proper UK spec is probably the best way forward. Trying to keep an open mind on the Ecoboost (what a w
k name), but ya kinda have to have a V8 in a Yank muscle car... Might yet go for the 4 banger.
k name), but ya kinda have to have a V8 in a Yank muscle car... Might yet go for the 4 banger.£24k assumes you can get the full exchange rate, not the tourist rate.
However, even on those figures, you have to add about £1000 shipping with marine insurance (£25k)
10% import tax (27.5k)
20% VAT on the lot (£33k)
IVA conversion/test and registering (at least £1k)- (£34k)
not including dock fees and your unknown options which are going to take it north of £35k
However, even on those figures, you have to add about £1000 shipping with marine insurance (£25k)
10% import tax (27.5k)
20% VAT on the lot (£33k)
IVA conversion/test and registering (at least £1k)- (£34k)
not including dock fees and your unknown options which are going to take it north of £35k
If that’s referring to my post I didn’t say £24K I said £30K ballpark.
SVA won’t apply as it will be a UK RHD model not a personal import.
Shipping insurance etc will be handled by Ford at better rates than individuals can get and will be built into the price by Ford UK.
This is a car you will order through Ford in the UK.
Keep up at the back.
I believe £30K won’t be far off for the ecoboost I have described.
As for the rest the ecoboost will make in excess of 305bhp the old 2005-9’s made. Handling will certainly be better (although I have never really had issues with either my 2008 or 2011 GTs). Styling is subjective and if you don’t like it fair enough.
The interior and NVH in the 2010+ is in a different world to the 05-09’s and I expect the 2015 will up the game again. My cars are used as daily’s not garage queens so this aspect of the car is important to me.
My 2011GT will be kept as I love the performance and sound of the coyote V8 but my wife does significantly more miles than I do so the ecoboost makes sense. The GT will be used for the continental runs and weekends. I’d rather she had the 2015 Mustang than the Audi A5 coupe or A3 vert’s she was on about before!
SVA won’t apply as it will be a UK RHD model not a personal import.
Shipping insurance etc will be handled by Ford at better rates than individuals can get and will be built into the price by Ford UK.
This is a car you will order through Ford in the UK.
Keep up at the back.
I believe £30K won’t be far off for the ecoboost I have described.
As for the rest the ecoboost will make in excess of 305bhp the old 2005-9’s made. Handling will certainly be better (although I have never really had issues with either my 2008 or 2011 GTs). Styling is subjective and if you don’t like it fair enough.
The interior and NVH in the 2010+ is in a different world to the 05-09’s and I expect the 2015 will up the game again. My cars are used as daily’s not garage queens so this aspect of the car is important to me.
My 2011GT will be kept as I love the performance and sound of the coyote V8 but my wife does significantly more miles than I do so the ecoboost makes sense. The GT will be used for the continental runs and weekends. I’d rather she had the 2015 Mustang than the Audi A5 coupe or A3 vert’s she was on about before!
Love it in silver...black wheels...looks like a bit of a bruiser! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vasnZT9kf6c
And here's a lil ROUSH promo featuring a 2014 Mustang;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OkcHOtdeqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vasnZT9kf6c
And here's a lil ROUSH promo featuring a 2014 Mustang;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OkcHOtdeqQ
Edited by Hellbound on Friday 23 May 04:38
I was talking with the AAFES Car Sales guy on Wednesday and we discussed how Ford is going to handle the 15 Mustang and I'm willing to bet the only one they sell here the first year will be the Ecoboost because:
A. Ford's been pushing the Ecoboost so hard in every other car as the next gen alternative to every other possible engine need
B. As the first year, it probably makes more business sense to see of the Mustang sells well outside the United States at all before you throw V6 and V8 options out there as well.
C. The Mustang probably will sell very well and if you offer every option up front, what do you have 'new' to bring out next year? The V6 in 2016 and V8's in 2017? I wouldn't be surprised if that's the route they went.
I also think pricing will just be switching out the dollar sign for a pound sign and keeping the numbers relativey the same.
A. Ford's been pushing the Ecoboost so hard in every other car as the next gen alternative to every other possible engine need
B. As the first year, it probably makes more business sense to see of the Mustang sells well outside the United States at all before you throw V6 and V8 options out there as well.
C. The Mustang probably will sell very well and if you offer every option up front, what do you have 'new' to bring out next year? The V6 in 2016 and V8's in 2017? I wouldn't be surprised if that's the route they went.
I also think pricing will just be switching out the dollar sign for a pound sign and keeping the numbers relativey the same.
Only 130 out of a total of 500 destined for Europe are headed for Britain and preorder is this Sat only during the Champions League game.
So anyone going for it having not seen it in the flesh or having driven it?
Will they all be snapped up and sold on for more as they are gonna be pretty rare?
So anyone going for it having not seen it in the flesh or having driven it?
Will they all be snapped up and sold on for more as they are gonna be pretty rare?
cwiklab said:
I was talking with the AAFES Car Sales guy on Wednesday and we discussed how Ford is going to handle the 15 Mustang and I'm willing to bet the only one they sell here the first year will be the Ecoboost because:
A. Ford's been pushing the Ecoboost so hard in every other car as the next gen alternative to every other possible engine need
B. As the first year, it probably makes more business sense to see of the Mustang sells well outside the United States at all before you throw V6 and V8 options out there as well.
C. The Mustang probably will sell very well and if you offer every option up front, what do you have 'new' to bring out next year? The V6 in 2016 and V8's in 2017? I wouldn't be surprised if that's the route they went.
I also think pricing will just be switching out the dollar sign for a pound sign and keeping the numbers relativey the same.
The first batch of 500 Mustangs that will be up for pre-order in Europe will be the Ecoboost and the V8.A. Ford's been pushing the Ecoboost so hard in every other car as the next gen alternative to every other possible engine need
B. As the first year, it probably makes more business sense to see of the Mustang sells well outside the United States at all before you throw V6 and V8 options out there as well.
C. The Mustang probably will sell very well and if you offer every option up front, what do you have 'new' to bring out next year? The V6 in 2016 and V8's in 2017? I wouldn't be surprised if that's the route they went.
I also think pricing will just be switching out the dollar sign for a pound sign and keeping the numbers relativey the same.
croyde said:
Only 130 out of a total of 500 destined for Europe are headed for Britain and preorder is this Sat only during the Champions League game.
So anyone going for it having not seen it in the flesh or having driven it?
Will they all be snapped up and sold on for more as they are gonna be pretty rare?
As a promotional event, the first 500 cars tied in with the Champions League Final will be exactly that; A promotional batch of cars that will be up for pre-order. These people will get their cars a little earlier than the rest of us so there very well may be those looking to cash in among the first few who get their names down. So anyone going for it having not seen it in the flesh or having driven it?
Will they all be snapped up and sold on for more as they are gonna be pretty rare?
Beyond this promotion the purchasing of the Mustang will be identical to any other Ford product apart from the fact that this will be made in the US. I don't see why Ford would want to limit the supply of their new global Mustang after customers take delivery of the first 500 cars and the hype machine/PR drive has moved beyond introducing the new product. The only question is when will order books be open properly (I'd imagine soon after the 24th) and how long will it take for customers to get behind the wheel. Those metrics translate into how speculators will view the new car as a punt.
Anyway, It's hardly a product by Pagani. In their most basic form these are 14k cars that Ford will be looking to churn out hand over fist. If we order 10,000 RHD cars, we'll get 10,000 cars. Not all at once, but we'll get them.
Edited by Hellbound on Friday 23 May 12:55
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