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Interesting debate - I just went over and had a read.
The webmaster of Blatchat rang me a few months back asking how I dealt with the moderation/legal issues here because they were becoming an increasing headache for him.
Membership is a partial solution. Whilst IP addresses can be traced it's only in a full on legal scenario that ISPs would reveal info. If membership is secured via a credit card payment then you know exactly who you're dealing with and that banning them would require them to dip in their pocket again.
I'm a bit confused about the comments about losing houses etc. If the club/bulletin board is managed by a limited company then the liability is limited too.
There are enough people on Blatchat for a team of volunteer moderators to be appointed and potentially libelous posts to be culled reasonably quickly.
I'd be more than happy to see this forum get more use and the PH forums in general would benefit from more BlatChat types but it would be shame if it was to the detriment of Blatchat.
I hope they can get things sorted.
The webmaster of Blatchat rang me a few months back asking how I dealt with the moderation/legal issues here because they were becoming an increasing headache for him.
Membership is a partial solution. Whilst IP addresses can be traced it's only in a full on legal scenario that ISPs would reveal info. If membership is secured via a credit card payment then you know exactly who you're dealing with and that banning them would require them to dip in their pocket again.
I'm a bit confused about the comments about losing houses etc. If the club/bulletin board is managed by a limited company then the liability is limited too.
There are enough people on Blatchat for a team of volunteer moderators to be appointed and potentially libelous posts to be culled reasonably quickly.
I'd be more than happy to see this forum get more use and the PH forums in general would benefit from more BlatChat types but it would be shame if it was to the detriment of Blatchat.
I hope they can get things sorted.
PT, the shame as an "old club member" is the L7CGB has grown by having the exact same web forum as you and others have done so successfully. drawing folks in gets more growth, which leads to more buying decisions, which leads to more fun. they IMHO have forgotten this simple fact.
the self appointed leaders/volunteers of the club are running scared from something that is going to open them to even more liability.
there are simple technology solutions if they're so scared, such as you have pointed out.
they seemingly are uninterested, which is a shame for them. nor will they take commercial advertising to deliver a better service.
the gent running BC is really stuck between them and us punters -- advertising would help him upgrade the site, and strike a balance.
folks have volunteered to do things for the club, and the leaders have ignored them.
the self appointed leaders/volunteers of the club are running scared from something that is going to open them to even more liability.
there are simple technology solutions if they're so scared, such as you have pointed out.
they seemingly are uninterested, which is a shame for them. nor will they take commercial advertising to deliver a better service.
the gent running BC is really stuck between them and us punters -- advertising would help him upgrade the site, and strike a balance.
folks have volunteered to do things for the club, and the leaders have ignored them.
As a lapsed member meself, it's the attitude of the club big cheeses that winds me up.
Presumably they didn't intend to give the impression that "We're running the club. Don't like it? FRO", but that's how it comes across to me. If they had participated in the debate, openly explored the options, or even just made an official statement (as I don't receive Low Flying, I've still not seen this fabled announcement) we might believe that they cared for Blatchat a little. Enough to make me respect their decision perhaps.
But of course, you can't criticise them at all. Volunteers doncha know.
Presumably they didn't intend to give the impression that "We're running the club. Don't like it? FRO", but that's how it comes across to me. If they had participated in the debate, openly explored the options, or even just made an official statement (as I don't receive Low Flying, I've still not seen this fabled announcement) we might believe that they cared for Blatchat a little. Enough to make me respect their decision perhaps.
But of course, you can't criticise them at all. Volunteers doncha know.
a very interesting post has just shown up from someone quoting Legal / Contractural / Company registration information that really blows the whole thing into shreds
Luke, the statement in LF is very clear.
Steve - why should club members subsidise Blatchat for the benefit of others? I presume you're a L7 Club member, given the opinions you are expressing?
I'd like to know whether moderation or disassociating Blatchat from the L7CGB has been considered - it certainly wasn't mentioned at the A/O meeting in November.
I do wish that an official other than Steve Winterberg would pass comment on Blatchat - that's what is really winding people up - especially our esteemed new chairman - Andrew Walker (I've actually seen him - at the Ace Cafe) whom I don't recall even being at the November A/O meeting!!!!
Steve - why should club members subsidise Blatchat for the benefit of others? I presume you're a L7 Club member, given the opinions you are expressing?
I'd like to know whether moderation or disassociating Blatchat from the L7CGB has been considered - it certainly wasn't mentioned at the A/O meeting in November.
I do wish that an official other than Steve Winterberg would pass comment on Blatchat - that's what is really winding people up - especially our esteemed new chairman - Andrew Walker (I've actually seen him - at the Ace Cafe) whom I don't recall even being at the November A/O meeting!!!!
i am advocating Advertising to pay for BlatChat.
part of that is to give something to moderators for their time.
AO=area organizets Ted, some who resigned over the "neo-facist" new world odor in L7CGB(their words, not mine).
yes i am a member -- until renewal time. then i'll make a decision -- but its not looking good.
the cranial rectal myopia now in effect is rubbish
part of that is to give something to moderators for their time.
AO=area organizets Ted, some who resigned over the "neo-facist" new world odor in L7CGB(their words, not mine).
yes i am a member -- until renewal time. then i'll make a decision -- but its not looking good.
the cranial rectal myopia now in effect is rubbish
Steve-B said:
the self appointed leaders/volunteers of the club are running scared from something that is going to open them to even more liability.
How will what they are doing open them up to more liability?
Steve-B said:
there are simple technology solutions if they're so scared, such as you have pointed out.
Have you suggested these solutions? From what I've heard (on the qt) there is going to be more active moderation as well as members only.
Steve-B said:
they seemingly are uninterested, which is a shame for them. nor will they take commercial advertising to deliver a better service.
Please explain to the uninitiated how commercial advertising would deliver a better service?
Steve-B said:I can't comment on this, but on BC there doesn't appear to have been very many offers of real help at all
folks have volunteered to do things for the club, and the leaders have ignored them
Steve-B said:
a very interesting post has just shown up from someone quoting Legal / Contractural / Company registration information that really blows the whole thing into shreds
And as I pointed out to you on BC: 'limited liability' does not give directors any protection over libel or negligence. If you knew UK law like you think you do you would know this instead of just believing what someone else says. Of course, you may choose to ignore my view, but may be you should ask someone who really knows.
Steve-B said:
AO=area organizets Ted, some who resigned over the "neo-facist" new world odor in L7CGB(their words, not mine).
I understand that only Nigel Marston from Worcestershire resigned. Who else did?
rubystone said:As for disassociating, Im not sure that that would work now, BC has been inextricably linked to L7CGB for quite a long time.
I'd like to know whether moderation or disassociating Blatchat from the L7CGB has been considered - it certainly wasn't mentioned at the A/O meeting in November
Dippers
Dippers you are obviously a firm advocate of all things L7CGB the removal of non members posting from BC goes way back, and is just a confirmatiion of the elitest attitude of the unelected managment team of the club and most of its older members. Of all clubs which exist for cars based on the design of CBCs Seven none are more elitest than the true defenders of the faith [ in their eyes ] than L7CGB. It has rankled for many years with the team and their supporters that BC ever was open to non members so the present impass which developed from the Broken Arrow thread has in their eyes been the easy way out, they have NO intention of looking for an alternate solution, and are only too glad to be shot of all those nasty posters who do not drive Badgerhams 
The club is famous everywhere for it's elitest attitude and most members have their head so far up their A**e that they can't see the wood for the trees. So what the so called demise of BC will not happen they are a big enough club to be shot of all the riff raf and there are lots of other Forums open to owners of all CBC inspired cars. Its just a shame that the community will be fragmented as folk drift to different web based groups and the depth of knowledge for the newcomer will be harder to find. It is a shame that so many Badgeram owners have this huge chip on their sholders and it is not helped by the factory persuing other forums that dare to use the word "seven or se7en" to describe their group The whole world apart from Badgerham and the L7CGB use that word to describe that type of vehicle and whilst defending the factories right to prevent anyone marketing a vehicle of that name the attack on discussion forums is unwarrented. But I digress,,,,,, The AOs conf at which this came up was typical of the club no prior warning of exactly what was going to be discussed, so no chance for AOs to poll the membership, not that it matters the team never consult the membership, are not elected,and the inner cliche just pass the jobs to other folk who all think the same way. It's an incestous relationship and as such is unhealthy, and will never change. Thankfully there are other groups now coming to the fore who are broadminded and outgoing where one can meet a much better informed type of CBC inspired car owner, and if you don't live in South of England offer far more than L7CGB ever could. Anyhow I'm off 
Dipstick, the club must believe that the Demon case could be some other way
frankly the
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of BC are getting so far OTT that it's not funny.
furthermore i am a member for many years. my friendship with even more long term membership was a factor when replacing our TVR and getting a se7en.
frankly the
and of BC are getting so far OTT that it's not funny. furthermore i am a member for many years. my friendship with even more long term membership was a factor when replacing our TVR and getting a se7en.
Johnty, I was at the A/O meeting and was sent the agenda in advance. This enabled me to canvas my region (not that they came up with any good ideas!). Still waiting for a copy of the minutes though!
I've never found the club elitist either - the usual banter between Blatman & Arnie perhaps, about Caterhams versus Westfields (all good natured - Blatman joins us on blats and we even let him near us for the first Rumble in 2001!).
But perhaps you've been a member of the club for longer than I have and have first hand experience of this elitism? You've always got www.Se7ens.net if you want a forum with no (natural) allegiance to one Lotus 7 inspired car.
I've never found the club elitist either - the usual banter between Blatman & Arnie perhaps, about Caterhams versus Westfields (all good natured - Blatman joins us on blats and we even let him near us for the first Rumble in 2001!).
But perhaps you've been a member of the club for longer than I have and have first hand experience of this elitism? You've always got www.Se7ens.net if you want a forum with no (natural) allegiance to one Lotus 7 inspired car.
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