going on track with a csr 260?

going on track with a csr 260?

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JeffC

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217 months

Friday 28th May 2010
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I have booked a few track days this year in my Csr 260. Im no stranger to the track but really It will be the first time in this particular car .

so couple of questions if anyone could help.

will the standard settings be any good on track it hasnt been touched since it left cc ? Ive noted on the shockers it has track use so guessing they were uprated from new? or does any one have a good base set up sheet of geo / corner weights for a csr 260 ?

does the standard cooling system and dry sump perform ok on track ? any surge or over heating issues?

Ive just changed the Cr500 tyres in favour of a set of gg Toyo 888s and tips on tyre pressures ?

just trying to make my first trackday in this car as smooth as possible!

thanks in advance.

Jeff


sjmmarsh

551 posts

225 months

Friday 28th May 2010
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It does depend on how it has been set up, but a csr 260 will easily be one of the fastest cars around the track, even on a standard setup.

Dry sump will be fine - just what you need for track use. Just keep an eye on oil use. I got through nearly 2 litres in 140 miles round Cadwell last month. It was driven hard though! Just put 200ml in at a time until you get some spitting out into the catch tank on a drive and you'll be fine.

Enjoy!

Steve

Edited by sjmmarsh on Friday 28th May 23:58

Aeroscreens

457 posts

231 months

Saturday 29th May 2010
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Tyre pressures:

I've always started with 17psi NSF, 18 OSF, 18 NSR and 19 OSR and then check them at the end of the session and you should equalise across all 4. If not tweek as necessary.

This is on the basis that most tracks run clockwise and they'll be more lefthanders than righthanders

JeffC

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Saturday 29th May 2010
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thanks.

just changed the oil using the overflow technique! will takes extra in case and keep eye on the gauges.

anyone else with set up guide, I can prob get it corner weighted and set up as have a couple weeks till im going to Oulton Park smile

sjmmarsh

551 posts

225 months

Saturday 29th May 2010
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Jeff

The gauges will be fine even if the oil is running low. Don't rely on the gauges alone.

Steve

edb49

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210 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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Why did you change the CR500s? Thought they were pretty good on the track to be honest...

JeffC

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Tuesday 1st June 2010
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edb49 said:
Why did you change the CR500s? Thought they were pretty good on the track to be honest...
yes they are pretty good but a toyo 888 is very good compared to them.

BertBert

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216 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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Aeroscreens said:
This is on the basis that most tracks run clockwise and they'll be more lefthanders than righthanders
More right-handers surely? Then the NSF does the most work.

JeffC said:
yes they are pretty good but a toyo 888 is very good compared to them.
Out of interest have you compared them on the Caterham?

Bert

James.S

585 posts

217 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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BertBert said:
Aeroscreens said:
This is on the basis that most tracks run clockwise and they'll be more lefthanders than righthanders
More right-handers surely? Then the NSF does the most work.

JeffC said:
yes they are pretty good but a toyo 888 is very good compared to them.
Out of interest have you compared them on the Caterham?

Bert
Out of interest what do you get from the Toyos that you didn't get from the CR500's on the CSR?

JeffC

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Tuesday 1st June 2010
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BertBert said:
Aeroscreens said:
This is on the basis that most tracks run clockwise and they'll be more lefthanders than righthanders
More right-handers surely? Then the NSF does the most work.

JeffC said:
yes they are pretty good but a toyo 888 is very good compared to them.
Out of interest have you compared them on the Caterham?

Bert
Ive run the last 10 months on Cr500s and did a 10 minute session on circuit with them last year and soon as I put it on track I knew they lacked outright grip that I was used to.
Soon as i fitted them even on the road the difference was noticable in braking and cornering grip. In the past Ive back to backed Kumho v70 / 888 toyos at Croft on a 300bhp Duratec Caterham that I raced and went quickest on the Kumhos by a couple of tenths over the toyos, I set the lap record at Croft on kumhos and have been over a second under that time on a test day on the same tyres so they were the obvious choice but I know from experience that the 888s are better in the wet than the kumhos and as this is predominantly a road car for use in mainly dry weather I went for the 888s, oh and I got a much better deal on them was a deciding factor too !

sjmmarsh

551 posts

225 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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Jeff

What size tyres have you got on the rear? I didn't think that 888's came in anything close to 245/40/15?

Steve

JeffC

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Tuesday 1st June 2010
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I went with 225 rears and 195 fronts both mount on the rim and fit just fine no clearence issues, I personally think the 245 on the back of a csr were overkill anyway!

sjmmarsh

551 posts

225 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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Jeff

What profile on them - 45 front and rear?

Steve

JeffC

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Tuesday 1st June 2010
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sjmmarsh said:
Jeff

What profile on them - 45 front and rear?

Steve
think might have been 50 profile?

BertBert

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216 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Interesting. Do you have any comparative times between the toyos and the CR500s?
Bert

JeffC

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Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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no times but I can confirm feels a different car on the toyos.

James.S

585 posts

217 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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JeffC said:
BertBert said:
Aeroscreens said:
This is on the basis that most tracks run clockwise and they'll be more lefthanders than righthanders
More right-handers surely? Then the NSF does the most work.

JeffC said:
yes they are pretty good but a toyo 888 is very good compared to them.
Out of interest have you compared them on the Caterham?

Bert
Ive run the last 10 months on Cr500s and did a 10 minute session on circuit with them last year and soon as I put it on track I knew they lacked outright grip that I was used to.
Soon as i fitted them even on the road the difference was noticable in braking and cornering grip. In the past Ive back to backed Kumho v70 / 888 toyos at Croft on a 300bhp Duratec Caterham that I raced and went quickest on the Kumhos by a couple of tenths over the toyos, I set the lap record at Croft on kumhos and have been over a second under that time on a test day on the same tyres so they were the obvious choice but I know from experience that the 888s are better in the wet than the kumhos and as this is predominantly a road car for use in mainly dry weather I went for the 888s, oh and I got a much better deal on them was a deciding factor too !
The tyres & brakes in the croft video 2 don't appear to be getting worked at all - sorry. You may find some driver coaching helps your times far more than tyre selection - It will also improve your lines and racecraft.

There are several who are very good in Caterahms, Simon Mason, Richard Forse and Graham Fennymore are all worth a call.

Best of luck.

JeffC

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Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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no need to apologise James that is the sort of unwanted advice I come to expect from Pistonheads and the reason I dont come on here so often !



Martin Keene

9,788 posts

230 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Jeff

Making friends mate...

hehe

JeffC

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217 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2010
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Martin Keene said:
Jeff

Making friends mate...

hehe
rolleyes