2010 Caterham Drivers plans
Discussion
A number of drivers were having a discussion at Brands Hatch a few weeks ago about thoughts for 2010. Both RSB and RSA drivers concerned as to what CC are going to do with the upgrades for the RSB and how RSA will work next year with K series and Sigmas.
A fair few of the drivers were discussing the options of another series. Graduates being discounted.
Choices:
BARC Intermarque Championship - Ideal if you are based in the south, £220 for 20 min Quali and 2 x 20 Mins races. Mixed grid, so can be fun and at present, very clean racing!
CSCC Magnificent 7 - 30 Mins Quali and 40 Mins race, great if you have a superlight or CSR, but the RSA and B's left a little bit behind! Which doesn't make it much fun! although the format is an excellent idea!
Most people don't have the budgets for RSA with Team support and some want to enjoy the racing without all the damage!
My Sigma now has 150 bhp courtesy of a Weber conversion and it is great! so much more driveable than the CC 150 BHP and still no news on the route they will take for the RSB Cars!
I guess i would really like to hear people's comments and feelings on what people would be happier doing and therefore what we are aiming for!
A fair few of the drivers were discussing the options of another series. Graduates being discounted.
Choices:
BARC Intermarque Championship - Ideal if you are based in the south, £220 for 20 min Quali and 2 x 20 Mins races. Mixed grid, so can be fun and at present, very clean racing!
CSCC Magnificent 7 - 30 Mins Quali and 40 Mins race, great if you have a superlight or CSR, but the RSA and B's left a little bit behind! Which doesn't make it much fun! although the format is an excellent idea!
Most people don't have the budgets for RSA with Team support and some want to enjoy the racing without all the damage!
My Sigma now has 150 bhp courtesy of a Weber conversion and it is great! so much more driveable than the CC 150 BHP and still no news on the route they will take for the RSB Cars!
I guess i would really like to hear people's comments and feelings on what people would be happier doing and therefore what we are aiming for!
Jezzer,
Closer racing and contact go hand in hand. In general the driving standards in the "official" series' are very good. Certainly in 120-150hp the RSA Championship has the largest field of handy drivers in the country.
Depends what you want. I went through the same process as you, ultimately if you want the least contact one of the other series will be ideal, less contact but at the cost of less competition. Going the RSA way will give a much more competative field but at the risk of more contact.
There is no right or wrong. As a point I am registed on Superlight R300 champs, Mag 7's and hope to do some of the Britcar stuff next year.
I would point out though there is no learning curve like the one in the Roadsport A Championship, period.
Closer racing and contact go hand in hand. In general the driving standards in the "official" series' are very good. Certainly in 120-150hp the RSA Championship has the largest field of handy drivers in the country.
Depends what you want. I went through the same process as you, ultimately if you want the least contact one of the other series will be ideal, less contact but at the cost of less competition. Going the RSA way will give a much more competative field but at the risk of more contact.
There is no right or wrong. As a point I am registed on Superlight R300 champs, Mag 7's and hope to do some of the Britcar stuff next year.
I would point out though there is no learning curve like the one in the Roadsport A Championship, period.
Edited by James.S on Wednesday 26th August 12:21
I would point out though there is no learning curve like the one in the Roadsport A Championship, period.
Your not wrong there. Quite an introduction to motorsport..........
300's rock mind.....I'm looking forward to 20-25 cars next year...barp barp....who will be sporting the number 1 plate though...........roll on spa.
ps: I plan on doing britcar series presuming I can get a green card for the 7th. Is leroux in?
The CSCC's Gold Arts Magnificent Seven race series has been designed for all Seven type cars.
The reason why there is a lot of R & C 400's racing in the series is because those competitors have cotton onto the good value, cost effective, graet fun racing the Gold Arts Magnificent Seven race series is.
The CSCC would welcome any and all RSA and RSB Caterhams with open arms, so come and join in the fun. The numbers of Grads, Super Grads, Megar Grads, RSA & RSB will ingrease if you guy's come and join the Gold Arts Magnificent Seven's
The cost for at 40 minute race with a thirty minute qualifying session has been between £250 & £300 dependant on the circuit cost. All the Mag 7 races can be shared by two competitors either sharing one car or as a two car team.
The Gold Arts Magnificent Sevens Series information, regualtions and CSCC contact details can be found at www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk Come and join in!
The reason why there is a lot of R & C 400's racing in the series is because those competitors have cotton onto the good value, cost effective, graet fun racing the Gold Arts Magnificent Seven race series is.
The CSCC would welcome any and all RSA and RSB Caterhams with open arms, so come and join in the fun. The numbers of Grads, Super Grads, Megar Grads, RSA & RSB will ingrease if you guy's come and join the Gold Arts Magnificent Seven's
The cost for at 40 minute race with a thirty minute qualifying session has been between £250 & £300 dependant on the circuit cost. All the Mag 7 races can be shared by two competitors either sharing one car or as a two car team.
The Gold Arts Magnificent Sevens Series information, regualtions and CSCC contact details can be found at www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk Come and join in!
^^^^ Well that was a tiresome post ^^^^ Betters the efforts of the Tin Tops guys on the UK motorsport forum though 
As has been alluded to above it all depends on what you want from your racing. I would prefer to become the best driver possible, and the only place you are likely to achieve that is in the official Caterham series with a field of identical cars. Whereas if you just want a bit of fun and don't care about finishing position, the magnificent sevens looks ok.
I would slightly dispute the talk about how cheap it is though; if you want to win in any series of this type you are going to need to spend the same as the guy who is winning. For a start in the 1.6 class you're now going to need to spend as least much as Jez (OP) has to be competitive. And then your car will drop in value because it has been fiddled with and can't be raced in Roadsports. (difference maybe = what it would have cost to race in Roadsports in the first place
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Not that I am against these open series though. I'd be very keen to get a car sorted for the Britcar races when that takes off. A C400 is a decent starting point, may require some development though....
As has been alluded to above it all depends on what you want from your racing. I would prefer to become the best driver possible, and the only place you are likely to achieve that is in the official Caterham series with a field of identical cars. Whereas if you just want a bit of fun and don't care about finishing position, the magnificent sevens looks ok.
I would slightly dispute the talk about how cheap it is though; if you want to win in any series of this type you are going to need to spend the same as the guy who is winning. For a start in the 1.6 class you're now going to need to spend as least much as Jez (OP) has to be competitive. And then your car will drop in value because it has been fiddled with and can't be raced in Roadsports. (difference maybe = what it would have cost to race in Roadsports in the first place
)Not that I am against these open series though. I'd be very keen to get a car sorted for the Britcar races when that takes off. A C400 is a decent starting point, may require some development though....
Edited by SimonY on Wednesday 26th August 23:54
If any one is thinking of racing a C 400 in Britcar then the CSCC's Mag 7's must be thought about. The C 400 & R 400 are very evenly matched, good raceing.
The class A cars need some competion again good clean racing. I have been racing Caterhams for many years and indeed ran a team in the Roadsport championship in the late 90's. Close racing always has been always will be, very high risk of car damage every race therefore increasing cost's. Not for me and all the competitor's that race at CSCC.
If you have the cash to burn then for you thats ok, but for those who want to race as cheaply as possible them it has to be the CSCC. The races can be shared by two drivers makes 20 minute with the Carterham championship at £220 look expensive, when 20 minutes as a shared drive on average has cost £132.50, no contest is there? Still as thery sasy each to his own.
The class A cars need some competion again good clean racing. I have been racing Caterhams for many years and indeed ran a team in the Roadsport championship in the late 90's. Close racing always has been always will be, very high risk of car damage every race therefore increasing cost's. Not for me and all the competitor's that race at CSCC.
If you have the cash to burn then for you thats ok, but for those who want to race as cheaply as possible them it has to be the CSCC. The races can be shared by two drivers makes 20 minute with the Carterham championship at £220 look expensive, when 20 minutes as a shared drive on average has cost £132.50, no contest is there? Still as thery sasy each to his own.
Everyone loves close racing and as part of that, can come some damage! Whilst i understand that, i don't have the budget to replace parts every race like some people do. I think some people forget that we are racing for fun and it is very unlikely Flav or Ron are going to sign you up after seeing anyone drive in a Caterham Race. You can still race and not do damage. And that is what i want! I know the racing in RSA and RSB is good, but the cost is getting silly for the amount of track time! Especially after damages etc... Also not been particularly inspired with the driver conduct in some of the race and post race discussions(but this is not the place to discuss that!)
I did a Mag 7 race earlier in the year and really enjoyed it, great format, just wish there a few more RSA type cars. Hence why i put this email out to see if there were some people thinking about it for next year etc...
I did a Mag 7 race earlier in the year and really enjoyed it, great format, just wish there a few more RSA type cars. Hence why i put this email out to see if there were some people thinking about it for next year etc...
James.S said:
You will find a lot official series cats in there as they race in the RS champs the very next weekend.
Looking forward to it though, let's see if a little 300 can keep up with all those boys in there 400's.....hope it rains.
I've no doubt you'll do very well, rain or not. They won't know what hit em James (not literally of course). I'm sure the 300 will embarrass some far quicker machinery and if it rains I want to be hearing about podiums. Make sure you keep it on piece though old boy as I'm planning on beating you at spa... Looking forward to it though, let's see if a little 300 can keep up with all those boys in there 400's.....hope it rains.
You reckon your mods will be done and who else is racing?
Well very intresting to read you comments and it is great to see you all at Cadwell.
The 300 is not in the 200 ltr clas but has been put in with the 1800 ltr class, so it should do quite well.
I must point out at this point that there is a x Caterham Superlite R 400 and twice 750 MC Cterham champions racing at Cadwell. They will be difficult to beat. Also racing at Cadwell are some quick competitors who race in the C 400 Superlite championship. In class A there is a couple of quick competitors so it's going to be a challenge throughout the classes.
All the competitors that race with the CSCC are out for good fun, close, cheap racing, with high driving standards.
There has been a lot of intrest show this year, 2010 looks to be a good year. All 7 type car will be welcome in thw Gold Arts Magificent Sevens race series. Hears to a good race meeting!
The 300 is not in the 200 ltr clas but has been put in with the 1800 ltr class, so it should do quite well.
I must point out at this point that there is a x Caterham Superlite R 400 and twice 750 MC Cterham champions racing at Cadwell. They will be difficult to beat. Also racing at Cadwell are some quick competitors who race in the C 400 Superlite championship. In class A there is a couple of quick competitors so it's going to be a challenge throughout the classes.
All the competitors that race with the CSCC are out for good fun, close, cheap racing, with high driving standards.
There has been a lot of intrest show this year, 2010 looks to be a good year. All 7 type car will be welcome in thw Gold Arts Magificent Sevens race series. Hears to a good race meeting!
Can't wait Peter, should be fun even if we are 50hp light of the 400's. Bit of rain will sort that out though as most of the C400's at donnington the other week will testify, lol.
Can we enrol for the sports v saloon 15 min race on the day?
Cheers.
J
Can we enrol for the sports v saloon 15 min race on the day?
Cheers.
J
Edited by James.S on Saturday 29th August 13:37
All competitors who have entered a CSCC race can enter the Sports verses Saloon race up to one hour before the race. The cost of the extra fifteen minute race with it's fiftenn minute qualifying session is £95. You can enter the race during the week by contacting Hugo in the office, or pay cash on the day.
If the reserves would like to race in the Sports verse Saloon race. they can enter as well. The cost of this is £185 if they have not raced in the God Arts Magnificent Sevens.
All CSCC race meeting have a Sports verses Saloon race which all club members can enter. The reduced rate is the CSCC's thankyou to the competitors for sporting the clubs race meeting. As I say I am looking forward to seeing you all at Cadwell.
If the reserves would like to race in the Sports verse Saloon race. they can enter as well. The cost of this is £185 if they have not raced in the God Arts Magnificent Sevens.
All CSCC race meeting have a Sports verses Saloon race which all club members can enter. The reduced rate is the CSCC's thankyou to the competitors for sporting the clubs race meeting. As I say I am looking forward to seeing you all at Cadwell.
Edited by petercfrench on Sunday 30th August 16:25
Edited by petercfrench on Sunday 30th August 16:26
All competitors who have entered a CSCC race can enter the Sports verses Saloon race up to one hour before the race. The cost of the extra fifteen minute race with it's fiftenn minute qualifying session is £95. You can enter the race during the week by contacting Hugo in the office, or pay cash on the day.
If the reserves would like to race in the Sports verse Saloon race, they can enter as well. The cost of this is £185 if they have not race in the God Arts Magnificent Sevens.
All CSCC race meeting have a Sports verses Saloon race which all club members can enter. The reduced rate is the CSCC's thankyou to the competitors for sporting the clubs race meeting. As I say I am looking forward to seeing you all at Cadwell.
If the reserves would like to race in the Sports verse Saloon race, they can enter as well. The cost of this is £185 if they have not race in the God Arts Magnificent Sevens.
All CSCC race meeting have a Sports verses Saloon race which all club members can enter. The reduced rate is the CSCC's thankyou to the competitors for sporting the clubs race meeting. As I say I am looking forward to seeing you all at Cadwell.
Edited by petercfrench on Sunday 30th August 16:28
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