donor vehicle for S3 steering parts?
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Epimetheus said:
You can get some parts, including uprights from Rimmer Bros
thks for the sensible reply. Do you know whether they're herald or spitfire??
fergus said:
Epimetheus said:
You can get some parts, including uprights from Rimmer Bros
thks for the sensible reply. Do you know whether they're herald or spitfire??Earlier Spitfire parts are essentially the same and will fit. Many Spit and Herald parts are interchangeable.
I am rebuilding a 1977 Caterham Seven and I am using Rimmer Bros for all the Triumph parts. They are really helpful and their delivery is prompt.
I used to have a 1990 Caterham and the front suspension was pretty much identical to the 1977 car.
The only real difference is that my 1977 hubs are adapted to suit the Ford axle, whereas the hubs on the 1990 car were plain Triumph to match the Marina axle.
On the 1977 car, even the steering rack is Triumph, but with lock stops fitted.
Pat
thanks for the comprehensive reply!
If I look at part number 211049B on caterham's site, there seems to be a bend between the bolt hole which fixes over the stub axle and the bolt hole which fixes to the upright. Compare this to either part numbers 29 and 16 in the attachd link http://www.canleyclassics.com/catalog.asp?category... where the part appears straight...
I'm guessing it's the Herald/Spitfire part, as even though they appear different in the drawing, the part numbers are pretty much identical between all the Triumph suppliers and Caterham's own part number?!
cheers
thanks for the comprehensive reply!
If I look at part number 211049B on caterham's site, there seems to be a bend between the bolt hole which fixes over the stub axle and the bolt hole which fixes to the upright. Compare this to either part numbers 29 and 16 in the attachd link http://www.canleyclassics.com/catalog.asp?category... where the part appears straight...
I'm guessing it's the Herald/Spitfire part, as even though they appear different in the drawing, the part numbers are pretty much identical between all the Triumph suppliers and Caterham's own part number?!
cheers
My Caterham Assembly Manual is dated Feb 1990.
It says that the front upright is common to the MK IV Spitfire with the exception of the brake pads.
It quotes part numbers for the steering arms.
XAW 3769 LH or XAW 3667 RH, though I have no idea whether these are obsolete Caterham parts numbers or Triumph part numbers.
As it happens, I have the LHS front hub off my 1977 Seven at the moment. The steering arm is definitely a Triumph part and has the following cast on the underside of it:
1L03740 WFC1P
I might be able to take a photo of it if you want.
It says that the front upright is common to the MK IV Spitfire with the exception of the brake pads.
It quotes part numbers for the steering arms.
XAW 3769 LH or XAW 3667 RH, though I have no idea whether these are obsolete Caterham parts numbers or Triumph part numbers.
As it happens, I have the LHS front hub off my 1977 Seven at the moment. The steering arm is definitely a Triumph part and has the following cast on the underside of it:
1L03740 WFC1P
I might be able to take a photo of it if you want.
rj said:
It makes sense not to support the company that builds the car we love.
Nooooot.
I'm not getting into this argument again, but a new steering arm from Caterham is circa £40. I bought one for £10.50 from a triumph supplier..... I'm not sponsoring the company FFS. I'm also not making charitable donations to them. Please don't anyone reply saying a 400% uplift is OK as they have to maintain stock, etc, etc. I think they take the p7ss, so I don't shop there when alternatives are available elsewhere. Nooooot.
rj said:
Why don't you sell the Caterham and get a Locust then?
Developing a car cost money. The margin has to be made somewhere.
What?Developing a car cost money. The margin has to be made somewhere.
How can you begrudge me not accepting a price which is 400% of the original. Waste your own cash if you like... You've bought a car from them, not bought shares in the company FFS.
I think you'll find that Triumph developed the part I bought, about 30 years before it was utilised in a Caterham.
Calm down young man.
Firstly you'll find quite a lot of IE Rover parts are in fact cheaper than at the Rover dealer.
Secondly I still want support from the manufacturer if something goes bust on my car. I would also like to be able to buy a new car should I need to. For that I'm happy to pay a premium.
I am absolutely calm by the way, I just don't get your attitude. Maybe you could get prices down if you offered yourself free of charge to parts department at Caterham
I suppose you don't want to work for free though.
Secondly I still want support from the manufacturer if something goes bust on my car. I would also like to be able to buy a new car should I need to. For that I'm happy to pay a premium.
I am absolutely calm by the way, I just don't get your attitude. Maybe you could get prices down if you offered yourself free of charge to parts department at Caterham
I suppose you don't want to work for free though. 
rj said:
Firstly you'll find quite a lot of IE Rover parts are in fact cheaper than at the Rover dealer.
Secondly I still want support from the manufacturer if something goes bust on my car. I would also like to be able to buy a new car should I need to. For that I'm happy to pay a premium.
I am absolutely calm by the way, I just don't get your attitude. Maybe you could get prices down if you offered yourself free of charge to parts department at Caterham I suppose you don't want to work for free though.
that may be the case, but most TRIUMPH parts are cheaper at triumph specialists! If something breaks on my car, then there is no need for factory support due to 1) most parts being sourced from other vehicles, 2) lots of (significantly) more specialist knowledge being available from independent garages/specialists, 3) 3rd party manufactuers, i.e. arch, caged, TITAN, AP, etc.Secondly I still want support from the manufacturer if something goes bust on my car. I would also like to be able to buy a new car should I need to. For that I'm happy to pay a premium.
I am absolutely calm by the way, I just don't get your attitude. Maybe you could get prices down if you offered yourself free of charge to parts department at Caterham
I suppose you don't want to work for free though. I haven't got an attitude against Caterham per se, although I do get fed up defending my choice to shop elsewhere (95% of the time at a significant discount) to people who either have rose tinted spectacles, can't be bothered to source their own components, or seem to believe that the factory shouldn't operate in a competitive free market.
Correct. I wouldn't work for free, but then again, I wouldn't inflate my parts prices as much as the factory were I to find myself magically running a parts department. It's funny how most motor factors don't seem to apply similar margins?
shouldn't we just resurrect the prev version of this thread!
It's a free commercial world and I reckon Fergus is free to buy from wherever he wants without guilt. If caterham price so that it turns people like F away, that's their commercial decision.
It's also a free commercial world that caterham can choose the pricing strategy they want without endless "I got x cheaper elswehere, so caterham are crap" threads.
Bert
It's a free commercial world and I reckon Fergus is free to buy from wherever he wants without guilt. If caterham price so that it turns people like F away, that's their commercial decision.
It's also a free commercial world that caterham can choose the pricing strategy they want without endless "I got x cheaper elswehere, so caterham are crap" threads.
Bert
Fergus
I think though that most manufacturers make the same margin on bits they produce - or have produced on their behalf. Caterhams problem would be that they can only get as much discount as anyone else shifting 500 of each item annually.
You shop where you want - and I pay for the shares I don't get
When that's said then mind you that unless your car is a classic the Triumph uprights are likely not to fit as the current ones have a thread where the trunion used to be.
I think though that most manufacturers make the same margin on bits they produce - or have produced on their behalf. Caterhams problem would be that they can only get as much discount as anyone else shifting 500 of each item annually.
You shop where you want - and I pay for the shares I don't get
When that's said then mind you that unless your car is a classic the Triumph uprights are likely not to fit as the current ones have a thread where the trunion used to be.
rj said:
Fergus
I think though that most manufacturers make the same margin on bits they produce - or have produced on their behalf. Caterhams problem would be that they can only get as much discount as anyone else shifting 500 of each item annually.
You shop where you want - and I pay for the shares I don't get
When that's said then mind you that unless your car is a classic the Triumph uprights are likely not to fit as the current ones have a thread where the trunion used to be.
dude, it was a steering arm, not the upright. The later uprights have a taper with a thread on the end as you suggest. I'd have to (begrudingly :hehe) buy these from Caterham as no one else appears to sell them. It would also cost me an additional 50p or so, as I'd have to factor in the cost of the lube needed to go via the Caterham parts counter I think though that most manufacturers make the same margin on bits they produce - or have produced on their behalf. Caterhams problem would be that they can only get as much discount as anyone else shifting 500 of each item annually.
You shop where you want - and I pay for the shares I don't get
When that's said then mind you that unless your car is a classic the Triumph uprights are likely not to fit as the current ones have a thread where the trunion used to be.
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