Anyone know the history of this R500?

[steve z]

Mate of mine going to look at his today:-

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1034740.htm

Anyone know its history?

[1st_petrolhead]

Don't know the car but based on others that have been recently been sold I would have a punt at this car for £20K. This is based on the engine needing a potential £3.5K rebuild in about 7K miles

[fergus]

1st_petrolhead said:

Don't know the car but based on others that have been recently been sold I would have a punt at this car for £20K. This is based on the engine needing a potential £3.5K rebuild in about 7K miles

How do you get a £3.5k rebuild, when Dave Andrews will do you a head refresh, new liners, rings, big end bearings, and belts, etc for about £1.5k. Guides, etc will obviously push the price up, but not by £2k..... Having seen the quality of DVAs work and his work on the dyno, I'm not sure why you'd want to pay more?

I'm thinking of the phrases "you've had" and "your pants pulled down" here if you've paid that sort of price.... :scratchchin"

[jleroux]

fergus said:

1st_petrolhead said:

Don't know the car but based on others that have been recently been sold I would have a punt at this car for £20K. This is based on the engine needing a potential £3.5K rebuild in about 7K miles

How do you get a £3.5k rebuild, when Dave Andrews will do you a head refresh, new liners, rings, big end bearings, and belts, etc for about £1.5k. Guides, etc will obviously push the price up, but not by £2k..... Having seen the quality of DVAs work and his work on the dyno, I'm not sure why you'd want to pay more?

I'm thinking of the phrases "you've had" and "your pants pulled down" here if you've paid that sort of price.... :scratchchin"

Does Dave come round your house and get the engine out of the car for that price as well? :-P

[rubystone]

jleroux said:

Does Dave come round your house and get the engine out of the car for that price as well? :-P

Really good point actually Johnny. I wouldn't worry about a refresh until nearer 11k miles and even those people whose name begins with an "M" and who Fergus isn't keen on only charge £2k for a refresh...

[fergus]

jleroux said:

fergus said:

1st_petrolhead said:

Don't know the car but based on others that have been recently been sold I would have a punt at this car for £20K. This is based on the engine needing a potential £3.5K rebuild in about 7K miles

How do you get a £3.5k rebuild, when Dave Andrews will do you a head refresh, new liners, rings, big end bearings, and belts, etc for about £1.5k. Guides, etc will obviously push the price up, but not by £2k..... Having seen the quality of DVAs work and his work on the dyno, I'm not sure why you'd want to pay more?

I'm thinking of the phrases "you've had" and "your pants pulled down" here if you've paid that sort of price.... :scratchchin"

Does Dave come round your house and get the engine out of the car for that price as well? :-P

Jonny, unfortuantely not, you'll need to drag the carcass up to sunny Milton Keynes. The engine doesn't need to come out for a std refresh anyway.

Spend your cash superfluously if you like chaps

[mic]

Not sure it would be a decent refresh without removing the crank, certainly not the way I would do it.

[fergus]

mic said:

Not sure it would be a decent refresh without removing the crank, certainly not the way I would do it.

Depends whether you want to do the crank bearings in addition to everything else. This is the only thing I can think of that requires the crank to be removed (excluding the desire for a full dynamic balance from Steve Smith - which is always nice!)?

[BertBert]

fergus said:

Jonny, unfortuantely not, you'll need to drag the carcass up to sunny Milton Keynes. The engine doesn't need to come out for a std refresh anyway.

Spend your cash superfluously if you like chaps

Mmm, I for one wouldn't expect a decent refresh to happen in car! In fact I woudn't dream of going there. I'd be astonished if DVA does a full refresh without taking the engine out.

Bert

[fergus]

BertBert said:

fergus said:

Jonny, unfortuantely not, you'll need to drag the carcass up to sunny Milton Keynes. The engine doesn't need to come out for a std refresh anyway.

Spend your cash superfluously if you like chaps

Mmm, I for one wouldn't expect a decent refresh to happen in car! In fact I woudn't dream of going there. I'd be astonished if DVA does a full refresh without taking the engine out.

Bert

Other than the crank bearings, why would you need the engine out for a refresh?

[reg_slr]

mic said:

Not sure it would be a decent refresh without removing the crank, certainly not the way I would do it.

Crank bearings are going to see the far side of 30K unless there is a specific problem IME

[mic]

I'd still rather look at them. You pay your money and take your choice.

[reg_slr]

mic said:

I'd still rather look at them. You pay your money and take your choice.

I guess but if you are going for a complete rebuild then it doesn't really matter what you start with does it?

[reg_slr]

fergus said:

BertBert said:

fergus said:

Jonny, unfortuantely not, you'll need to drag the carcass up to sunny Milton Keynes. The engine doesn't need to come out for a std refresh anyway.

Spend your cash superfluously if you like chaps

Mmm, I for one wouldn't expect a decent refresh to happen in car! In fact I woudn't dream of going there. I'd be astonished if DVA does a full refresh without taking the engine out.

Bert

Other than the crank bearings, why would you need the engine out for a refresh?

It makes it way easier to properly clean everything. In the car its a bit of a faff and it doesn't take more than a few hours to remove it and stick it on a stand.

[1st_petrolhead]

Well, you cheeky little lot

That was Minister prices and yes I know DVA can do it cheaper

I have had an R500 and did look into a rebuild with both Minister and DVA but decided after 17000 hard miles it was time for a change so part exchanged it

Anyway mute point as I see the car is now sold. Did you buy it Steve

Edited by 1st_petrolhead on Tuesday 9th June 19:31

[1st_petrolhead]

Well, you cheeky little lot

That was Minister prices and yes I know DVA can do it cheaper

I have had an R500 and did look into a rebuild with both Minister and DVA but decided after 17000 hard miles it was time for a change so part exchanged it

Anyway, mute point as I see its now sold, did you buy it Steve

Edited by 1st_petrolhead on Tuesday 9th June 19:32