R500 tyres

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B@W

Original Poster:

100 posts

268 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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I've bought a low mileage R500 with good, but 3 1/2 year old, CR500's.

I've also got an Exige on A048's, so I'm thinking of fitting the same, in a soft compound, to the Caterham. Is this wise or am I better sticking with the CR500's as supplied by Caterham?

Thanks, Mark

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

209 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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48s are damn good on the track and dry roads

CR500s more expensive and a good all round tyre

ACB-10s are nuts on track and are terrible on roads

AO-21Rs are better on the road and overheat on a dry track


Swings and roundabouts
Depends what you want the car for

B@W

Original Poster:

100 posts

268 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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Sunny, Sunday morning blasts and track days.

Thats why I'm thinking soft A048

Tango7

688 posts

231 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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Go for the 48's then but don't expect too much life with them on! On my BEC, a brand new set did under 1k and were pretty worn with mainly road use and one damp trackday at Croix.

T

1st_petrolhead

1,431 posts

243 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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My advise, stick to CR500s for the blats and buy a second set of rims and run slicks for the trackday. You can get part worn slicks for £25 each, much cheaper than killing your expensive road tyres on a track

sam919

1,078 posts

201 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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Im using R888s on my R400, but its more R500 spec with regards to power output. I prefer them to CR500s in the wet although standing water can be pushed a side more with the CR's so better when its actually chucking it down. Never used ACBs, i use the R888 due to cost and amount of times they need to be changed....2 or 3 times a season. If i had some more cash i probably would go for the ACB as ive heard nothing but good reviews for the dry.

Tango7

688 posts

231 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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sam919 said:
ive heard nothing but good reviews for the dry.
Superb in the dry on a track but tramline dreadfully on a normal road even in the dry

rubystone

11,254 posts

264 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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Tango7 said:
sam919 said:
ive heard nothing but good reviews for the dry.
Superb in the dry on a track but tramline dreadfully on a normal road even in the dry
Sweetbabyjesus! Don't even think about ACB10s for the road...I've run them.... CR500s are just about the best tyre for all round road use - progressive when they do breakaway. Thinfourth's post sums up well the options available to you

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

209 months

Saturday 12th April 2008
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1st_petrolhead said:
My advise, stick to CR500s for the blats and buy a second set of rims and run slicks for the trackday. You can get part worn slicks for £25 each, much cheaper than killing your expensive road tyres on a track
Yep one of the best upgrades for a 7 is a second set of rims as they are so tyre sensitive

fergus

6,430 posts

280 months

Monday 14th April 2008
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rubystone said:
Tango7 said:
sam919 said:
ive heard nothing but good reviews for the dry.
Superb in the dry on a track but tramline dreadfully on a normal road even in the dry
Sweetbabyjesus! Don't even think about ACB10s for the road...I've run them.... CR500s are just about the best tyre for all round road use - progressive when they do breakaway. Thinfourth's post sums up well the options available to you
Ruby,

I use ACB10s on the Ring and the roads in the surrounding area and they're fine, even in the damp.

Personally, I think CR500s have no grip, and would go for Toyo R888s for pure road use.

rubystone

11,254 posts

264 months

Monday 14th April 2008
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fergus said:
Ruby,

I use ACB10s on the Ring and the roads in the surrounding area and they're fine, even in the damp.

Personally, I think CR500s have no grip, and would go for Toyo R888s for pure road use.
I've seen that Citroen C5 advert - perfect roads, no camber...ACB10s would be fine on that.

But the old A120 from Dunmow to Braintree, all that damage caused by countless HGVs....they are truly dreadful...and let's face it, that's what most of the roads are like in the UK! My HPC hunted out every camber, rut and whiteline on the road and was truly unnerving. Changed over to CR500s and it was a pussycat!

I've run CR500s on all but 2 of my 7s and they are the best compromise tyre for everyday driving IMHO. OK, so on-track they can overheat, but for road use, they are great. Two caveats here -

1)I've not tried 888s!!!!! A friend has just fitted them to his car and I await a runing report :-)

2) Would a CR500 offer as much grip as a 32/48 or 888 on a hot day? Probably not (but it is all relative)...but on a cold day...I think I'd rather be running CR500s...

fergus

6,430 posts

280 months

Monday 14th April 2008
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rubystone said:
[2) Would a CR500 offer as much grip as a 32/48 or 888 on a hot day? Probably not (but it is all relative)...but on a cold day...I think I'd rather be running CR500s...
that's why you've got an LSD fitted! thumbuphehe

rubystone

11,254 posts

264 months

Monday 14th April 2008
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fergus said:
rubystone said:
[2) Would a CR500 offer as much grip as a 32/48 or 888 on a hot day? Probably not (but it is all relative)...but on a cold day...I think I'd rather be running CR500s...
that's why you've got an LSD fitted! thumbuphehe
True - but that's you and me - this guy might actually not want to go sideways all the time (can't imagine why not though)... smile

Anyway, who'd take advice from a bloke who runs round the 'Ring with "Big Bird" in his passenger seat? hehe

B@W

Original Poster:

100 posts

268 months

Monday 14th April 2008
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[quote=rubystone]
True - but that's you and me - this guy might actually not want to go sideways all the time (can't imagine why not though)... smile
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Why do you think I bought an R500?!?!

Whats a good starting point for tyre pressures for 48's for (1) road and (2) track?

Cheers

Finchy172

389 posts

224 months

Monday 14th April 2008
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CR500 for mixed driving in varied conditions.

48s for pure track use and monitor the pressures

Steer clear of slicks unless you really knows how to drive on them.

Superlight / CSR used slicks will be past there best and you really have to be a good driver to extract the best from them!

ACB10's I tend to try and steer clear of personally.

On my race R400 I use CR500s / Superlight Wets / Yoko A048s

sam919

1,078 posts

201 months

Monday 14th April 2008
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For track and the R888 i was using 22 hot last season, i have been using 20 this season on. Start with 18 for 22 or 16 for 20 all round get them hot and adjust them to 22/20 all round, when cold youll have something like: RR=17/15 RL=16/14 FR=18/16 FL=19/17. These were done when the track was cold but my mate got nearly the same results two years ago using Kumho V70 on a dry warm track.

I doubt the above will be two far out for Yoko's. I did have Yokos on my bike engined fury(ex tyre controlled RGB car) and swapped them for the Toyos and there was a big difference in grip.
I think the Toyo probably is the better tyre from my own experience and i wouldnt be put off by the brand or the price, they are definatly competitive, a set from c and s tyres in middlesborough is about 240 quid, dont know the price of the yokos. Im sure the Yokos are a good tyre having said that.

In the wet they seem to be good as well only being 6 secs slower in the rain.

rubystone

11,254 posts

264 months

Tuesday 15th April 2008
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B & W, what colour is your R500?...Who did it belong to before?

I'd not run ACB10s on an R500. But then I'd only run CR500s on mine. I don't push it hard enough on the road to worry about the difference in grip between a CR500 and a 48 - what I can say is that on track it's excellent on slicks...but also that ACB10s are great track tyres too.

B@W

Original Poster:

100 posts

268 months

Tuesday 15th April 2008
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rubystone said:
B & W, what colour is your R500?...Who did it belong to before?

I'd not run ACB10s on an R500. But then I'd only run CR500s on mine. I don't push it hard enough on the road to worry about the difference in grip between a CR500 and a 48 - what I can say is that on track it's excellent on slicks...but also that ACB10s are great track tyres too.
Its yellow, not sure the number. Bought it off a guy called Graham, just north of London

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

209 months

Tuesday 15th April 2008
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What about running cr500s reversed on a hot dry track?

I have heard of a few folk doing that

rubystone

11,254 posts

264 months

Wednesday 16th April 2008
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thinfourth2 said:
What about running cr500s reversed on a hot dry track?

I have heard of a few folk doing that
Hyperion used to run their cars with fronts reversed in this way