engine mapping

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trotsky

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58 posts

207 months

Monday 21st January 2008
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Can anyone explain 3d engine mapping as opposed to 2d? engine is a 190 bhp vauxhall xe on 45 webbers.
thanks. Trotsky

mic

376 posts

238 months

Monday 21st January 2008
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2D ignition timing and engine speed, 3D ignition timing, engine speed and fueling are mapped. Only 2D is possible with carbs.

Edited by mic on Monday 21st January 08:35

Noger

7,117 posts

254 months

Monday 21st January 2008
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Sure there was a 3d ignition mapping product available for the Xflow.

trackcar

6,453 posts

231 months

Monday 21st January 2008
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2d map would be mapping the fuel and/or ignition against just the engine revs (not normally for fuel though, although i think some big drag race engines dont map in 3d for the fuelling .. anyone let me know on that?), ie think of a distributor with no vacuum advance .. the advance curve is fixed against revs no matter what throttle position/load you generate. If you graph the results you just get a straightforward single line of revs and ignition values.

a 3d map takes account of both revs and throtle position/load so you have generated a 3d graphical representation ..

hope that makes sense.

Dave J

891 posts

271 months

Monday 21st January 2008
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If the x flow is on injection then yes any 3 D ecu would run a x flow 3d map

Edited by Dave J on Monday 21st January 16:42

trotsky

Original Poster:

58 posts

207 months

Monday 21st January 2008
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just been in touch with John wilcox and they say, Yes it is possible to have a 3D sytem on carburettors if it is fitted with a throttle pot on the end of the carburettors. If it has no throttle pot then it is a 2D system.

so it seems you can 3d map a engine on carbs.

now i need to know what a throttle pot is?smile

casbar

1,112 posts

220 months

Monday 21st January 2008
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I had a weber 3D mapped ignition on my xflow with carbs, so yes you can have 3Dsmile

GreenV8S

30,402 posts

289 months

Monday 21st January 2008
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trotsky said:
just been in touch with John wilcox and they say, Yes it is possible to have a 3D sytem on carburettors if it is fitted with a throttle pot on the end of the carburettors. If it has no throttle pot then it is a 2D system.

so it seems you can 3d map a engine on carbs.

now i need to know what a throttle pot is?smile
If you don't have a throttle pot you can still 3-D map is using manifold pressure for load. That's what a traditional dizzy vacuum advance unit does, after all.

Tango7

688 posts

231 months

Monday 21st January 2008
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trotsky said:
just been in touch with John wilcox and they say, Yes it is possible to have a 3D sytem on carburettors if it is fitted with a throttle pot on the end of the carburettors. If it has no throttle pot then it is a 2D system.

so it seems you can 3d map a engine on carbs.

now i need to know what a throttle pot is?smile
I had a 3D system on my 2.0 VX engine with its twin 45 Webers and it improved the performance and economy quite noticeably.

The throttle pot(entiometer) is attached to the side of the carbs and connected to the throttle spindle to indicate to the ECU the position of the throttle opening. I can't recollect how much mine was for my setup but I wouldn't expect it to be much more than £40 or £50. Have a look at this thread for some info http://www.blatchat.com/T.asp?id=128182 

T

Dave J

891 posts

271 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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OOhh fairy muff .... smile

I always thought that the optimisation of fueling with injection at any give load / speed / throttle opening was the very essence of 3d mapping.

I guess you could use other parameters for the 3 dimensions / inputs but shirley you wont get the fueling optinmised at a very significant % of speed / load sites with carbs even with 3D ?

Dave

Fat Arnie

1,656 posts

268 months

Tuesday 22nd January 2008
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No Dave, but you will get the timing optimised, which helps economy and snap throttle a lot.

My new project has Webers BTW. 4 of them!

rubystone

11,254 posts

264 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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Fat Arnie said:
No Dave, but you will get the timing optimised, which helps economy and snap throttle a lot.

My new project has Webers BTW. 4 of them!
GT40 replica, right? What kit have you chosen?

Fat Arnie

1,656 posts

268 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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RCR 40

Dave J

891 posts

271 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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pics please coffee

Fat Arnie

1,656 posts

268 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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One being built here http://www.mygt40.com/ or a pair of finished examples are at http://www.gt40s.com/forum/rcr-forum-rcr40-rcr70-p...

Mines going to be blue.....

rubystone

11,254 posts

264 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2008
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Fat Arnie said:
RCR 40
cool

Dave J

891 posts

271 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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permission to slobber lick

Is this by chance the same type that "Dallas" Dave from Ford in the Cotswolds has been building ?

Fat Arnie

1,656 posts

268 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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Not that I am aware of. There are only about 6 of them in the UK, none having been completed yet.