Twitchy handling on motorway

Twitchy handling on motorway

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webmobo

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19 posts

214 months

Thursday 11th January 2007
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Hi all,

This may be a silly post but I was wondering what would improve the ride on a motorway - as I bought my Caterham for touring and there will be motorways involved, I find whenever I exceed 90 mph (hope there's no employees of the police force reading this) the ride becomes very fidgety. Maybe this is what to expect or perhaps my Caterham is at fault somewhere?

Many thanks

rubystone

11,254 posts

266 months

Thursday 11th January 2007
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What spec is your car? Live axle, 15 inch wheels, Michelin Pilots hehe

There are a lot of factors that could be contributing to the car's handlnig. Have you fractured your De Dion tube for instance???

webmobo

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19 posts

214 months

Thursday 11th January 2007
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Yep 15 inch wheels, Michelin Pilots (1998 VVC) how'd you guess? Are these not good for fast blats? Yep it has a Dion axle, I'll be checking in the morning for any cracks. Would you recomend smaller wheels or different tyres?

tortoise

72 posts

249 months

Thursday 11th January 2007
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Might be worth checking the front wheel alignment. Too much toe in might make the front twitchy. Neutral or slight toe out might help and too little castor would probably have the same effect. A quick geo check might be worthwhile before you start replacing tyre or whatever.

ewenm

28,506 posts

252 months

Thursday 11th January 2007
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Cycle wings or flares? Flares generate lift (allegedly)

tedgerley

3 posts

222 months

Thursday 11th January 2007
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I would definately recommend changing the tyres to something softer. The difference in grip will be unbeliveable - plus you will be able to stop alot quicker!

webmobo

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19 posts

214 months

Thursday 11th January 2007
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Thanks, i'll be checking the front wheel alignment ASAP.

Cycle wings - do flares really lift the front?

ewenm

28,506 posts

252 months

Thursday 11th January 2007
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webmobo said:
Thanks, i'll be checking the front wheel alignment ASAP.

Cycle wings - do flares really lift the front?

Some people reckon they do. I had flared wings for about 4 years and 10,000 miles a year and never noticed any high speed lift. The ruts created by lorries on motorways do cause my 7 to twitch around a bit anyway.

barrythompson

454 posts

225 months

Thursday 11th January 2007
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My caterham is very smooth and controlled at 90, on the top of me Brian James

SimonY

348 posts

215 months

Thursday 11th January 2007
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tortoise said:
Too much toe in might make the front twitchy. Neutral or slight toe out might help and too little castor would probably have the same effect.


Actually a touch of toe in would act to stabilise the car and dull the steering response, while toe out would tend to make the car twitchy, would recommend getting it checked though. Maybe stupid but tyre pressures too high? Drove mine with the tyres at 40psi after the SVA and it wasn't a fun experience - felt like it was aquaplaning everywhere soapbox

GreenV8S

30,484 posts

291 months

Thursday 11th January 2007
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tortoise said:
Too much toe in might make the front twitchy. Neutral or slight toe out might help


eek Other way round Shirley?

Front camber would be worth a check too I would have thought. Too much will make it prone to kickback and tramlining which will make it feel switchy.

pesmo

150 posts

246 months

Friday 12th January 2007
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And buy some Stunner Scudo Tyres from Camskill. These are 15 inch and are a cheap softish compound standard road tyre that would be okay for touring as well as they have plenty of grooves. People have been using them to great effect in the clubs sprint championship in the last few years.

Whatever you do dump the pile-ups nono Everyone who has has been pleased they did

In the short term as said above, check your tracking front and rear and your tyre pressures which should normally be in the 18-20 psi range on a seven


Edited by pesmo on Friday 12th January 08:50

murph7355

38,925 posts

263 months

Friday 12th January 2007
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Check your tyre pressures first. And binning the tyres wouldn't be a bad idea either (Pilots are junk - I'd go as far as to say they're dangerous on a 7!).

And checking for broken bits is also cheap

If that doesn't sort it, take it to someone who can set the car up properly (with you in it).

tortoise

72 posts

249 months

Friday 12th January 2007
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SimonY said:
tortoise said:
Too much toe in might make the front twitchy. Neutral or slight toe out might help and too little castor would probably have the same effect.


Actually a touch of toe in would act to stabilise the car and dull the steering response, while toe out would tend to make the car twitchy, would recommend getting it checked though. Maybe stupid but tyre pressures too high? Drove mine with the tyres at 40psi after the SVA and it wasn't a fun experience - felt like it was aquaplaning everywhere soapbox


Apologies, you are correct of course. I think caterham recommends 20 minutes of toe in. Toe out is more of a track setting and will give much quicker steering response, so certainly not what you need to make the car more stable!

canam

10,059 posts

279 months

Saturday 13th January 2007
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Ditch the Pilots before they ditch you. I had them on my Omega and they were OK in the dry but nowhere near as good as Goodyear Eagles in the wet, even on that great fat lump. As many have said, including Murph3555 above, verging on the dangerous on a car that only weighs almost one third as much.

webmobo

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19 posts

214 months

Saturday 13th January 2007
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Many thanks for the info, I thought the tyres were not too good - coming on the M40 sideways (maybe a bit too much right foot as well! ). I'll get a specialist to check the font wheels. Would anyone have any recommendations? Also, to get a good understanding what tyres are everyone running?

murph7355

38,925 posts

263 months

Saturday 13th January 2007
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webmobo said:
Many thanks for the info, I thought the tyres were not too good - coming on the M40 sideways (maybe a bit too much right foot as well! ). I'll get a specialist to check the font wheels. Would anyone have any recommendations? Also, to get a good understanding what tyres are everyone running?

Now you're starting a hot topic

Do a search here and on Blatchat and you'll find plenty of advice.

I use Yokohama 21Rs and find them a very agreeable road tyre - last a reasonable time, good grip, excellent wet weather performance and cheap. Run them at much lower pressures than you'd think (start around 18-20psi and work down).

rubystone

11,254 posts

266 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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Eagles didn't work well on my Supersport - couldn't generate enough heat to make them work,even on a trackday. I support Murph's recommendation - 21s are good tyres, even on a 200 bhp car they perform well. CR500s are great, but more expensive that all the other brands

Tango7

688 posts

233 months

Monday 15th January 2007
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If you want to stay with your 15" rims then Scudo Stunners are an excellent tyre for road use and at around £30 a corner you can't really go wrong. If you want to move to 13" or 14" rims, Yokohama AO21r's are another very good all round tyre with 185/70 x 13" under £40 a corner and 60 series being around £60.

webmobo

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19 posts

214 months

Saturday 20th January 2007
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Thanks I'll try those out, I just bought 4 Yokohamas AO48r (from george polly) those were recommended as well, really miss driving it around, have to do a track day soon