Caterham in EVO
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Big up to the 250bhp Caterham in this months evo magazine, seeing off all comers on the bedford test circuit, including the big super-guns such as the enzo, Carerra GT & Macca F1. (ok so it was licked by a 190bhp radical but they dont count!). Never underestimate the speed of a high powered caterham and never get too dazzled by all the bullshit that surrounds these glossy supercars which just aren't really that fast. Still the best, fun you can have on 4 wheels..... shame it didn't turn up on proper ACB10s and the gap would have been wider still.
mchammer89 said:
I'm gonna have to get that issue, just to shove it in the faces of all those supposed car fans, who just dream of Enzos and SLRs, you can't beat a bit of old-fashioned british engineering 
Not that I'm necessarily a fan of either, but cars like the Enzo/SLR etc are very different to the Caterham.
Speed around a race track is only one aspect of car performance.
There's a place for both types of car, and it probably doesn't pay to get haughty about it - there are still many, many reasons why non-Caterham owners can justifiably laugh at owners, regardless of how quick a 7 is
[then smoking him from the lights? ]
only upto 90mph, if your caterham has 250bhp and mega grippy tyres like ACB A24 compound
my 247 bhp K 1900cc was 1/10th second quicker across the quarter mile than a McClaren Merc SLR thingy both at 11.9 sec @ 119 mph, but he just drove it from the showromm and selected "drive" .
He would have mullered me above 100mph and its only becauce the EVO circuit is so tight that the Caterham holds the advantage. Silverstone GP probably would have been different - or at least untill the supercars brakes melted on lap 2
across europe ......... Hmmmmm Macca please !
only upto 90mph, if your caterham has 250bhp and mega grippy tyres like ACB A24 compound
my 247 bhp K 1900cc was 1/10th second quicker across the quarter mile than a McClaren Merc SLR thingy both at 11.9 sec @ 119 mph, but he just drove it from the showromm and selected "drive" .
He would have mullered me above 100mph and its only becauce the EVO circuit is so tight that the Caterham holds the advantage. Silverstone GP probably would have been different - or at least untill the supercars brakes melted on lap 2
across europe ......... Hmmmmm Macca please !
That CSR has 260hp and a top speed of around 155mph, so im sure it could hold off for a while, also on Top Gear it is the fastest road car to ever go around their track, faster than the Enzo, SLR, Carrera GT, Atom and the CCX (even though that was modified with the rear wing), and as I recall there is quite a bit of straight road on that circuit
Dave J said:
[then smoking him from the lights? ]
only upto 90mph, if your caterham has 250bhp and mega grippy tyres like ACB A24 compound
my 247 bhp K 1900cc was 1/10th second quicker across the quarter mile than a McClaren Merc SLR thingy both at 11.9 sec @ 119 mph, but he just drove it from the showromm and selected "drive" .
He would have mullered me above 100mph and its only becauce the EVO circuit is so tight that the Caterham holds the advantage. Silverstone GP probably would have been different - or at least untill the supercars brakes melted on lap 2
across europe ......... Hmmmmm Macca please !
only upto 90mph, if your caterham has 250bhp and mega grippy tyres like ACB A24 compound
my 247 bhp K 1900cc was 1/10th second quicker across the quarter mile than a McClaren Merc SLR thingy both at 11.9 sec @ 119 mph, but he just drove it from the showromm and selected "drive" .
He would have mullered me above 100mph and its only becauce the EVO circuit is so tight that the Caterham holds the advantage. Silverstone GP probably would have been different - or at least untill the supercars brakes melted on lap 2
across europe ......... Hmmmmm Macca please !
...and then it grenaded...
murph7355 said:
mchammer89 said:
I'm gonna have to get that issue, just to shove it in the faces of all those supposed car fans, who just dream of Enzos and SLRs, you can't beat a bit of old-fashioned british engineering
Not that I'm necessarily a fan of either, but cars like the Enzo/SLR etc are very different to the Caterham.
Speed around a race track is only one aspect of car performance.
But they don't market them like that do they. If you have an Enzo, then you probably are going to get to have sex with supermodels far far easier than if you have a CSR. Which is a positive selling point from many people's POV.
But they don't market it like that. They make it LOOK like the F1 car from the front. They tell you this is like having an F1 car on the road. But they don't tell you that it will get a butt kicking from a Radical on a twisty track.
Not that it will bother the Enzo owner, who will just buy a Radical (or perhaps Radical) for track days, and use the Enzo for the supermodel attraction.
But even if we ignore "supercars" how many fast variants of shopping cars get marketed with a picture of them on a track. Perhaps it is just the rules of reponsible advertising stopping them saying the real truth - that in reality this turbocharged Vauxhall isn't going anywhere near a track but will at least spank a few BMWs on the way to work. But we can't put that.
I guess you're always gonna get a split opinion with this, personally i think if you buy a car to attract attention (particularly from the opoosite sex) you would be a bit sad and shallow, plus theres the fact that the CSR260 is £37k, whereas you're supercars are gonna cost £500k plus, those who dream of an Enzo have pretty much no chance of ever owning one, however it isn't that hard to believe that an average Joe could afford a CSR260, and beat pretty much everything on the road (except Atoms, Veyrons and Radicals)
We Caterham owners are loyal if nothing else 
It's not all about pulling the birds, thinking you're Michael Schumacher or being shallow.
There's rooom in the world for all sorts of stuff and we should be thankful for this.
Yup, a Caterham will be quicker round most circuits than an Enzo.
Then again, given the choice of keys to either car for a blast down to Monaco followed by dinner, would you really take a CSR in preference?
Given the keys to either and a trip to the autobhans for a banzai thrash, the CSR may be good. But 155 (when you eventually get there) won't cut the mustard when the Enzo goes breezing by with a soundtrack that a Caterham will simply not match.
As mentioned by Noger, no Enzo owner will lose any sleep that a Caterham is quicker round a track. I would seriously doubt that there isn;t an Enzo owner out there who doesn't know this. And it wouldn't surprise me if many don;t own track toys too.
It's not all about pulling the birds, thinking you're Michael Schumacher or being shallow.
There's rooom in the world for all sorts of stuff and we should be thankful for this.
Yup, a Caterham will be quicker round most circuits than an Enzo.
Then again, given the choice of keys to either car for a blast down to Monaco followed by dinner, would you really take a CSR in preference?
Given the keys to either and a trip to the autobhans for a banzai thrash, the CSR may be good. But 155 (when you eventually get there) won't cut the mustard when the Enzo goes breezing by with a soundtrack that a Caterham will simply not match.
As mentioned by Noger, no Enzo owner will lose any sleep that a Caterham is quicker round a track. I would seriously doubt that there isn;t an Enzo owner out there who doesn't know this. And it wouldn't surprise me if many don;t own track toys too.
I agree with you on most of the points, although driving down to Monaco, i'd definetely have a CSR, just think of all those winding country roads leading to those costal roads along the south of France, driving perfection, lol, although i do respect that different people have different taste, the majority would go for the Enzo, to be honset it's not hard to see why, it has so much appeal, especially compared to what those people may see as a go-kart that's been made in someones shed, but that's why i prefer Caterhams/Westfields etc. they're so different and have so much more personality, like a Mini with supercar preformance
jackal said:
Big up to the 250bhp Caterham in this months evo magazine, seeing off all comers on the bedford test circuit, including the big super-guns such as the enzo, Carerra GT & Macca F1. (ok so it was licked by a 190bhp radical but they dont count!). Never underestimate the speed of a high powered caterham and never get too dazzled by all the bullshit that surrounds these glossy supercars which just aren't really that fast. Still the best, fun you can have on 4 wheels..... shame it didn't turn up on proper ACB10s and the gap would have been wider still.
So let's get back to non banal and non obvious statements Jackie
thats EXACTLY my point .... the evo test wasn't very obvious and it certainly wasn't banal.. a test of this type hasnt even been done before. Joe public think that these supercars define speed. Given all the hype they get they probably think they are as fast as real race cars.
shouldn't you be in some hungarian restaurant in any case ? did you sell the rad ? Buy a clio ?
shouldn't you be in some hungarian restaurant in any case ? did you sell the rad ? Buy a clio ?
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