Minimum ride height run on the road

Minimum ride height run on the road

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fergus

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6,430 posts

280 months

Thursday 15th December 2005
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What sort of ride height would people consider running as a minimum on the road in a dry sumped car (250lb springs)? is 80mm too low for comfort in your collective opinions? thanks in advance for any replies.

Shred-head

45 posts

239 months

Thursday 15th December 2005
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I take it you're on about a Caterham.

I measured my car at around 65mm (at the sump) and thats fine on the road. You could even go lower.

As the low point on a Caterham is between/behind the front wheels you get away with a lot more than you would with a tin top where the low point is a fair distance infront of the front wheels (say the front bumper/splitter).

>> Edited by Shred-head on Thursday 15th December 14:37

Dave J

890 posts

271 months

Thursday 15th December 2005
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I run 55mm under the sump pan with me sat in the car. this is using 250lb springs and adjustable dampers .

Dave

fergus

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6,430 posts

280 months

Thursday 15th December 2005
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do you get ground effect aerodynamics working for you?!!!

Dave J

890 posts

271 months

Friday 16th December 2005
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only if I fart

dannylt

1,906 posts

289 months

Friday 16th December 2005
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Mine's about the same... but obviously you're in trouble if you miss dodging a large pot hole! This is too stiff for the sort of roads you'd worry about ground clearance on anyway

h_____

684 posts

229 months

Friday 16th December 2005
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Whilst you will lower the COG by lowering ride hieght, this is usually offset by hitting the bump stops unless you run very stiff springs. Esp, if you run anything larger than a 13" wheel.

You are probably causing issue for very little gain. Just my $0.02

Dave J

890 posts

271 months

Friday 16th December 2005
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yes - with 13" wheels and avo's I have aout 1" of suspension before hitting the bump stop . The bumpstop hasnt made contact with the top mount so far so I dont think I bottom out on to the bumpstops.

superlightr

12,899 posts

268 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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I 'lost' 2 sumps on the old fashined cats eyes on a camber overtaking before......before I found the correct height. (sorry dont know what it was)

mjkelly7uk

3 posts

235 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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fergus said:
do you get ground effect aerodynamics working for you?!!!


In a Caterham you're having a laugh

fergus

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6,430 posts

280 months

Tuesday 20th December 2005
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mjkelly7uk said:
fergus said:
do you get ground effect aerodynamics working for you?!!!


In a Caterham you're having a laugh


Ironic comment!

dutchy

76 posts

240 months

Wednesday 25th October 2006
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I'm the proud new owner of a Superlight R, which has been uprated to a r400 spec.

On collection the previous owner said he had been advised to raise the front suspension height as it is too low for road use. I drove back no probs but did scrape it going into my drive (no apparent damaged )

Being a caterham novice how do I adjust the front shocks to raise the height. They are Bilstein on the front at the moment. What height do I set it too and taken from where ( bottom of sump I assume)



fergus

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6,430 posts

280 months

Thursday 26th October 2006
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dutchy said:
I'm the proud new owner of a Superlight R, which has been uprated to a r400 spec.

On collection the previous owner said he had been advised to raise the front suspension height as it is too low for road use. I drove back no probs but did scrape it going into my drive (no apparent damaged )

Being a caterham novice how do I adjust the front shocks to raise the height. They are Bilstein on the front at the moment. What height do I set it too and taken from where ( bottom of sump I assume)


Congratulations on the car. Mine is similar spec. Be very aware that if the car has a low ride height and is dry sumped, the dry sump pan is VERY vulnerable to making contact with low objects. In extremis, this could result in a knackered engine!!

The shocks should have a collar to adjust the spirng preload. This is used to set the ride height. The best bet, to ensure you don't upset the handling is to get the car properly setup. This involves a technique called 'corner weighting', where a set of digital scales are used to ensure equal weight distribution over the wheels. This is especially important over the fronts to ensure good bevaiour whilst braking. As the ground needs to be perfectly level to do this, it is also known as 'flat flooring' the car. I would recommend a cacterham race team set this up for you, as they have a lot of knowledge regarding how the setup they put on the car affects ride and handling.

There are loads of opinions on the ideal setup for the road, www.blatchat.com is a good place to get some of these. Beware however, that the posts are a mix of those who are in the know and those that aren't, and sometimes much of the knowledge is passed on 2nd or 3rd hand.....

PS my car currently runs 60mm clearance, but is exclusively used for racing and t/days.

Edited by fergus on Thursday 26th October 14:38

dutchy

76 posts

240 months

Thursday 26th October 2006
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fergus said:
PS my car currently runs 60mm clearance, but is exclusively used for racing and t/days.

Edited by fergus on Thursday 26th October 14:38


Is that the measurement under the sump??

Finchy172

389 posts

224 months

Thursday 26th October 2006
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Race car regs are 110 -125 mm under the rear front suspernsion arm

any lower and a speed bump will challenge you

fergus

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6,430 posts

280 months

Friday 27th October 2006
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dutchy said:
fergus said:
PS my car currently runs 60mm clearance, but is exclusively used for racing and t/days.

Edited by fergus on Thursday 26th October 14:38


Is that the measurement under the sump??



yup

dutchy

76 posts

240 months

Saturday 28th October 2006
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Mine is set at 55mm under the sump, so I think I might see about raising it 10mm for now. So I know its ok for the road until next summer.

Any recommends who to use to get it raised, I live near to Portsmouth.

casbar

1,112 posts

220 months

Sunday 29th October 2006
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Dutchy, I run 65mm under the sump, you need to try and get around 15mm rake front to back. So measure back (in front of the rear wing) front, forward of the rear wing, where the bottom chassis tube changes shape and direction, just in front of where the floor pan stops. Get the rake correct and then check the sump clearence.

If you live in Portsmouth, get along to the West Hants meet in Brook, New Forest, my mate who lives in Romsey, has corner weight scales and will setup your car, for a small donation towards the cost of the scales. I live in Salisbury, there are plenty of guys around who will be happy to help. Under sump clearence is a little subjective, if someone runs 55mm and another 65mm, is 10mm going to make your car not hit the sump on a bit of debris in the road, probably not, unless you are lucky. My point is, get the car setup and then worry about sump clearence.

dutchy

76 posts

240 months

Sunday 29th October 2006
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When is the next meeting in the New Forest and where do you meet?

casbar

1,112 posts

220 months

Sunday 29th October 2006
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1st Tues of every Month, Bell Hotel, Brook, Hants. Just off of Jct 1 M27