CSR260 or bespoke build Duratec
Discussion
£30k to spend?...go and see Russell Savory - here - www.motopower.co.uk/
rubystone said:Yep, I know Russell. He built a track bike for me. Have had a ride in his lunatic car. Bit worried about reliability of newly developed V8 and desirability when I come to get rid of it. (I know, shouldn`t really be thinking of getting rid of a car I haven`t even got yet!!!)
£30k to spend?...go and see Russell Savory - here - www.motopower.co.uk/
the RST ..... ok, so thats what 20k for engine and install
10k left over for a chocolate cycle wing and used chassis from a 1957 roadsports
and why do someone else's development work for them ?
although i admit, it will be a fine engine to have in a seven providing its up to the task and once its reliablility is proven.
10k left over for a chocolate cycle wing and used chassis from a 1957 roadsports
and why do someone else's development work for them ?
although i admit, it will be a fine engine to have in a seven providing its up to the task and once its reliablility is proven.
gra001 said:
Murph and jackal..............
Interested to know which will hold value better. I`m guessing the CSR. Will it be MUCH better??
the CSR will hold its value much better
30k will be limiting the budget a bit IMO for a custom built job.
if you want a normal sized caterham with all eth bells and whistles and carbon and like 250bhp worth of 2.0 or 2.3 then you are looking at more like 35k IMO... unless of course you can build engines etc...
mark hodsons car was well over 35k, mine would cost about 35k to build from new
you could always go the route of a used car
why not look at what Carmichael is selling... sell eth PTP for sensible money and then spend 8-10 on an engine and intsall
jackal said:
Murph and jackal..............
Interested to know which will hold value better. I`m guessing the CSR. Will it be MUCH better??
the CSR will hold its value much better
30k will be limiting the budget a bit IMO for a custom built job.
if you want a normal sized caterham with all eth bells and whistles and carbon and like 250bhp worth of 2.0 or 2.3 then you are looking at more like 35k IMO... unless of course you can build engines etc...
mark hodsons car was well over 35k, mine would cost about 35k to build from new
you could always go the route of a used car
why not look at what Carmichael is selling... sell eth PTP for sensible money and then spend 8-10 on an engine and intsall
Mmmmmmmmmmm..............OK, so, let`s up the budget to £35K plus a bit more. Was Marks car built by Mick Attrey and is it now owned by a guy called Danny. If so, I`ve been around Donington in it. Nice piece of kit and fast. So, a CSR or a circa £35K bespoke build?? Think we`ve established the CSR will give the better financial return.
Would be interested knowing a bit more about your cars spec Jackal.............any piccies???
35k is more realistic especially if you want swanky seats , stack dash, raceco etc...
with csr you'll have warranty and a better residuals and somewhere to go when it goes wrong but it obiously wont be bespoke and it will be heavier. Can't coment on the handling cos ive never driven an SV chassis but weight personally isnt my thing and i'm small so doesnt mean a great deal to me. If you go the custom route just make sure you identify someone from teh start who you can trust to look after you car for you, flat floor it etc..
my car was micks first duratec car, see <a href="www.jackals-forge.com/lotus">www.jackals-forge.com/lotus</a> and yep, marks old car = dannys car = built by mick
if you cant be bothered browsing then briefly its a 230bhp spec 2,0 litre duratac (overfuelling so currently 213bhp) on a 2002 R500 chassis and the usual track options like race springs, slr cage, kevlar seats. Dampers are standard however. My dash and swicthes are all custom. Onnly thing it lacks is a nice sequential box !
>> Edited by jackal on Monday 15th August 16:04
>> Edited by jackal on Monday 15th August 16:08
with csr you'll have warranty and a better residuals and somewhere to go when it goes wrong but it obiously wont be bespoke and it will be heavier. Can't coment on the handling cos ive never driven an SV chassis but weight personally isnt my thing and i'm small so doesnt mean a great deal to me. If you go the custom route just make sure you identify someone from teh start who you can trust to look after you car for you, flat floor it etc..
my car was micks first duratec car, see <a href="www.jackals-forge.com/lotus">www.jackals-forge.com/lotus</a> and yep, marks old car = dannys car = built by mick
if you cant be bothered browsing then briefly its a 230bhp spec 2,0 litre duratac (overfuelling so currently 213bhp) on a 2002 R500 chassis and the usual track options like race springs, slr cage, kevlar seats. Dampers are standard however. My dash and swicthes are all custom. Onnly thing it lacks is a nice sequential box !
>> Edited by jackal on Monday 15th August 16:04
>> Edited by jackal on Monday 15th August 16:08
Agree with all of Jackals comments below. If you want a classic chassis to Jackals (or my specc which is almost identical) then you're talking £33K-£34K if you build it yourself. Plus everyone seems to be going for the 2.3l with forge rods and pistons nowadays so add an extra £1K, plus you then need a stronger gearbox so add another £1K etc.....
I reckon a CSR will hold it's value a lot better and will avoid a fair bit of hassle (unless you can get Mick to build you a bespoke R500) although I reckon you're talking £40K for a CSR 260 with some track bits.
Oh and I think Danny's car was significantly more than £35K new
cheers
I reckon a CSR will hold it's value a lot better and will avoid a fair bit of hassle (unless you can get Mick to build you a bespoke R500) although I reckon you're talking £40K for a CSR 260 with some track bits.
Oh and I think Danny's car was significantly more than £35K new
cheers
So you need to spend £35k? No trouble with building a decent spec car with an RST-V8 for that money then - I doubt Mike Biddle's car will exceed that figure. As to the reliability issue - the RST-V8 engine has more than proven its reliability in both competition and many thousands of miles of road use. The components are top quality, and it's assembled by one of the top motorsport engineering companies in the UK.
One of the first Duratec cars has struggled to sell recently at £21k. Why? because its spec, isn't up to that of a comparable R500 and like Jackal's, Mike E's and the other Duratec cars out there, it isn't a factory car. This factor will always affect the resale value of such a car and you ought to bear that in mind if resale value is a major factor in your purchase decision; naturally the same goes for the RST-V8 option of course.
One of the first Duratec cars has struggled to sell recently at £21k. Why? because its spec, isn't up to that of a comparable R500 and like Jackal's, Mike E's and the other Duratec cars out there, it isn't a factory car. This factor will always affect the resale value of such a car and you ought to bear that in mind if resale value is a major factor in your purchase decision; naturally the same goes for the RST-V8 option of course.
ruby
how much is the base 2.0 RST ? including all the necessary plumbing and engine mounts etc.. ?
also, despite the recent 21k car and its mysterious non sell .... i cant help thinking that my car or dannys or mikes would sell well in the current climate.. simply because its major hassle to own a powerful well-sepcced duratec car in a series 3 chassis, it takes time and a lot of money and by the time you buy all teh carbon and r500-esque options the price really does escalate. Like mike says, dannys car was prolly not far off 40k. If I put mine up for sale for example, whilst its not a factory car because its a known car and one thats basically hard to come by without a ton of hassle and a long wait i'd expect it to sell pretty well against a backdrop of used circa ~25k R300's etc.. (of far far lower spec and price and power). People hav finally come around to duratec now, especially as its a factory approved.
prolly just wishful thinking though .... although it really would have to be floated by old 1998 SLR's and stuff which go for high teens and low 20's
>> Edited by jackal on Monday 15th August 17:30
how much is the base 2.0 RST ? including all the necessary plumbing and engine mounts etc.. ?
also, despite the recent 21k car and its mysterious non sell .... i cant help thinking that my car or dannys or mikes would sell well in the current climate.. simply because its major hassle to own a powerful well-sepcced duratec car in a series 3 chassis, it takes time and a lot of money and by the time you buy all teh carbon and r500-esque options the price really does escalate. Like mike says, dannys car was prolly not far off 40k. If I put mine up for sale for example, whilst its not a factory car because its a known car and one thats basically hard to come by without a ton of hassle and a long wait i'd expect it to sell pretty well against a backdrop of used circa ~25k R300's etc.. (of far far lower spec and price and power). People hav finally come around to duratec now, especially as its a factory approved.
prolly just wishful thinking though .... although it really would have to be floated by old 1998 SLR's and stuff which go for high teens and low 20's
>> Edited by jackal on Monday 15th August 17:30
You have to remember the CSR is a totally new chassis. All the reports I have read and the people I have spoken to that have driven it reckon it could handle more than 260 bhp. The new chassis is far more assured in terms of roadholding and has more traction that the classic R3/4/500 chassis.
CSR will be a better and more desirable car.
CSR will be a better and more desirable car.
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