CSR260 or R500 Evolution

CSR260 or R500 Evolution

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V8 OHV

Original Poster:

261 posts

231 months

Friday 29th July 2005
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Which is the better car ?

murph7355

38,561 posts

261 months

Saturday 30th July 2005
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Subjective in many respects, but the CSR260 would probably be the best start point.

If you can get them with a standard chassis that is.

sdd

347 posts

287 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2005
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All CSR's are SV bodied.

Mikeww

155 posts

262 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2005
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Best car for what?
The best all round Caterham is a Superlight (IMO)

>> Edited by Mikeww on Tuesday 2nd August 22:02

murph7355

38,561 posts

261 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2005
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Mikeww said:
Best car for what?
The best all round Caterham is a Superlight (IMO)

>> Edited by Mikeww on Tuesday 2nd August 22:02

But he never asked that

If CSR's are only SV chassis, it'd be the R500E then.

Or better still, a std chassis with a nice little V8 in it...

V8 OHV

Original Poster:

261 posts

231 months

Thursday 4th August 2005
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I meant the better car as in;


performance, handling, brakes and reliability, the 4 things that matter to me in a sports car.

rubystone

11,254 posts

264 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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murph7355 said:



Or better still, a std chassis with a nice little V8 in it...




oh BTW - twas just a gear linkage problem and the Quiksilver sounded superb through the Dartford Tunnel the other night

jackal

11,249 posts

287 months

Friday 5th August 2005
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errr, the r500e is not a car
it was a publicity thing to tie them over
they only built a few and IIRC many engines were rejected

murph7355

38,561 posts

261 months

Saturday 6th August 2005
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jackal said:
errr, the r500e is not a car
it was a publicity thing to tie them over
they only built a few and IIRC many engines were rejected

Some might say the CSR isn't yet

V8 - the CSR will *probably* be the more reliable over time. As for the other items, 7s are so configurable there will be little in it (though the CSR will be heavier, which is a demerit).

IMO, there is a lot of difference in the "experience" between SV and std chassis. But someone coming into 7s new having never had a go in a std chassis would be pushed to notice. And anyone going straight to an SV would likely find a std chassis cramped.

V8 OHV

Original Poster:

261 posts

231 months

Saturday 6th August 2005
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Don't even known what chassis I have!
Stock R400.

murph7355

38,561 posts

261 months

Saturday 6th August 2005
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It's more than likely a std chassis.

If you have weather gear, count the press studs on the top of the screen. Std car has 7. I'm pretty sure the SV has more.

granville

18,764 posts

266 months

Saturday 6th August 2005
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Given how trucculent the R400 can be to the novice, I can only imagine the nuthouse R500 is off the scale, albeit enormous fun and certainly better on track if you can handle it.

These CSRs are objectively better 'cars' but surely much of the point about 'rams is the whole superlight (supernarrow!) thing?

I certainly regret not getting the 500.

rubystone

11,254 posts

264 months

Sunday 7th August 2005
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derestrictor said:
Given how trucculent the R400 can be to the novice, I can only imagine the nuthouse R500 is off the scale, albeit enormous fun and certainly better on track if you can handle it.

These CSRs are objectively better 'cars' but surely much of the point about 'rams is the whole superlight (supernarrow!) thing?

I certainly regret not getting the 500.


Muprh will testify that the R500 is certainly NOT a better car on the track. In my experience, the difference between R500 and R400 on track or off is very marginal - down much more to the abilities of the driver than anything else...

DeR - have you tracked your R400 yet?...you do seem to have a downer on it...which to me suggests you have never driven it on track - because no R400/SLR owner leaves the track without being blown away by their car

murph7355

38,561 posts

261 months

Sunday 7th August 2005
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Trucculent implies things that the R500 is more of. A bit more Dennis The Menace than the R400. But that's DtM in colour rather than in a mono comic.

As for track work, again, the R400 would only be "shamed" on circuits with long straights. And even then only maybe. And with a capable pilot. There's a guy called Austin who would hand my (and your) arse on a plate with just 160bhp...trust in me, as said the snake in Jungle Book.

You really, REALLY, need to take some tuition. It's a really, REALLY hard pill to swallow (personal experience), but the R400 is not a slow car, and speed is not all about straight lines. In fact, proper skidmarks are not made in straight lines.

Your quest in The Beetle is admirable, but ultimately completely pointless. There will always be something quicker in a straight line. But round corners...you have one of the very best, challenging, characterful and sensational (in the true sense) cars ever built. Learn to use it old son.

murph7355

38,561 posts

261 months

Sunday 7th August 2005
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PS In the words of the immortal Jim Henson, feel the force. "do or do not. There is no try".

So DO.

V8 OHV

Original Poster:

261 posts

231 months

Tuesday 9th August 2005
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I think the R400 is stunning.

superlightr

12,899 posts

268 months

Thursday 11th August 2005
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I had an SLR 404bhp per ton - awsom.
When you get down to CSR r500 r400 SLR's etc its down to the driver how fast you are on track. The performance of the top ranges of the 7 are all outstanding. One will not sunstantially out perform the other.

Driver tutition is the way forward as are 032r's

rubystone

11,254 posts

264 months

Thursday 11th August 2005
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superlightr said:


Driver tutition is the way forward as are 032r's


You wanna try ACB10s or even better, slicks

murph7355

38,561 posts

261 months

Friday 12th August 2005
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superlightr said:
I had an SLR 404bhp per ton - awsom.
When you get down to CSR r500 r400 SLR's etc its down to the driver how fast you are on track. The performance of the top ranges of the 7 are all outstanding. One will not sunstantially out perform the other.

Driver tutition is the way forward as are 032r's

Spot on. 100%.

jackal

11,249 posts

287 months

Monday 15th August 2005
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superlightr said:
When you get down to CSR r500 r400 SLR's etc its down to the driver how fast you are on track. The performance of the top ranges of the 7 are all outstanding. One will not sunstantially out perform the other.



good point .... also at this level setup and tyres and even gearchange speed counts for more than power. And bear in mind that the CSR is a heavy old thing. My 213bhp 512kg car has no problem keeping up with 250-260bhp fatboy SV cars in straight line acceleration.