CSR260 or R500 Evolution
Discussion
jackal said:
errr, the r500e is not a car
it was a publicity thing to tie them over
they only built a few and IIRC many engines were rejected
Some might say the CSR isn't yet
V8 - the CSR will *probably* be the more reliable over time. As for the other items, 7s are so configurable there will be little in it (though the CSR will be heavier, which is a demerit).
IMO, there is a lot of difference in the "experience" between SV and std chassis. But someone coming into 7s new having never had a go in a std chassis would be pushed to notice. And anyone going straight to an SV would likely find a std chassis cramped.
Given how trucculent the R400 can be to the novice, I can only imagine the nuthouse R500 is off the scale, albeit enormous fun and certainly better on track if you can handle it.
These CSRs are objectively better 'cars' but surely much of the point about 'rams is the whole superlight (supernarrow!) thing?
I certainly regret not getting the 500.
These CSRs are objectively better 'cars' but surely much of the point about 'rams is the whole superlight (supernarrow!) thing?
I certainly regret not getting the 500.
derestrictor said:
Given how trucculent the R400 can be to the novice, I can only imagine the nuthouse R500 is off the scale, albeit enormous fun and certainly better on track if you can handle it.
These CSRs are objectively better 'cars' but surely much of the point about 'rams is the whole superlight (supernarrow!) thing?
I certainly regret not getting the 500.
Muprh will testify that the R500 is certainly NOT a better car on the track. In my experience, the difference between R500 and R400 on track or off is very marginal - down much more to the abilities of the driver than anything else...
DeR - have you tracked your R400 yet?...you do seem to have a downer on it...which to me suggests you have never driven it on track - because no R400/SLR owner leaves the track without being blown away by their car
Trucculent implies things that the R500 is more of. A bit more Dennis The Menace than the R400. But that's DtM in colour rather than in a mono comic.
As for track work, again, the R400 would only be "shamed" on circuits with long straights. And even then only maybe. And with a capable pilot. There's a guy called Austin who would hand my (and your) arse on a plate with just 160bhp...trust in me, as said the snake in Jungle Book.
You really, REALLY, need to take some tuition. It's a really, REALLY hard pill to swallow (personal experience), but the R400 is not a slow car, and speed is not all about straight lines. In fact, proper skidmarks are not made in straight lines.
Your quest in The Beetle is admirable, but ultimately completely pointless. There will always be something quicker in a straight line. But round corners...you have one of the very best, challenging, characterful and sensational (in the true sense) cars ever built. Learn to use it old son.
As for track work, again, the R400 would only be "shamed" on circuits with long straights. And even then only maybe. And with a capable pilot. There's a guy called Austin who would hand my (and your) arse on a plate with just 160bhp...trust in me, as said the snake in Jungle Book.
You really, REALLY, need to take some tuition. It's a really, REALLY hard pill to swallow (personal experience), but the R400 is not a slow car, and speed is not all about straight lines. In fact, proper skidmarks are not made in straight lines.
Your quest in The Beetle is admirable, but ultimately completely pointless. There will always be something quicker in a straight line. But round corners...you have one of the very best, challenging, characterful and sensational (in the true sense) cars ever built. Learn to use it old son.
I had an SLR 404bhp per ton - awsom.
When you get down to CSR r500 r400 SLR's etc its down to the driver how fast you are on track. The performance of the top ranges of the 7 are all outstanding. One will not sunstantially out perform the other.
Driver tutition is the way forward as are 032r's
When you get down to CSR r500 r400 SLR's etc its down to the driver how fast you are on track. The performance of the top ranges of the 7 are all outstanding. One will not sunstantially out perform the other.
Driver tutition is the way forward as are 032r's
superlightr said:
I had an SLR 404bhp per ton - awsom.
When you get down to CSR r500 r400 SLR's etc its down to the driver how fast you are on track. The performance of the top ranges of the 7 are all outstanding. One will not sunstantially out perform the other.
Driver tutition is the way forward as are 032r's
Spot on. 100%.
superlightr said:
When you get down to CSR r500 r400 SLR's etc its down to the driver how fast you are on track. The performance of the top ranges of the 7 are all outstanding. One will not sunstantially out perform the other.
good point .... also at this level setup and tyres and even gearchange speed counts for more than power. And bear in mind that the CSR is a heavy old thing. My 213bhp 512kg car has no problem keeping up with 250-260bhp fatboy SV cars in straight line acceleration.
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