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Just curious, the C3 is a 69 but is K registered, should it not have a G or H suffix? It's advertised in the same mag as numbers matching, but the photo's show the engine to have headers instead of the correct 'bullhorns', its also photographed with a non standard (stainless) exhaust system. Am I wrong or does numbers matching not mean with all original equipment?
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Edited by VetteG on Sunday 21st March 16:09
v8yea said:
I think numbers matching simply means an original engine block with the same digits as the last 5 on the VIN
Thats not whats said on the US forums, according to them for a car to be numbers matching all parts must be original design and as fitted to that year of car, i.e. all parts have the correct numbers.G
I see what you are saying but I still think the origin of phrase is engine/VIN No because they are the SAME number on the one car,they MATCH,not the CORRECT number on any given part,something that can be replicated and is interchangeable on all cars with standard original/correct parts.
Maybe the definition has changed since I was a lad.
Maybe the definition has changed since I was a lad.
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Numbers matching refers to the parts installed on the car being from the assembly line or authorized GM parts installed by a dealer or purchased from GM for that specific year corvette.
It also infers that date codes fall within a reasonable period of production dates usually six months. This takes the definition to another level but refines the definition of "numbers matching."
For example, cars can be put together with numbers matching but if the dates are from several different years...than it undermines the credibility of the statement "numbers matching" for that particular vehicle.
The perception is that numbers matching is an original car with original parts...date codes out of sequence indicates parts have been reconfigured to present the appearance of a numbers matching vehicle.
But what you've presented is the "quick start" method to determine matching numbers...engine pad, tranny and body (windshield post). This is where the VIN and VIN derivative have been stamped. And as Missleman has indicated...if you wish to go this route...get the NCRS tech manual for your model year.
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Numbers matching refers to the parts installed on the car being from the assembly line or authorized GM parts installed by a dealer or purchased from GM for that specific year corvette.
It also infers that date codes fall within a reasonable period of production dates usually six months. This takes the definition to another level but refines the definition of "numbers matching."
For example, cars can be put together with numbers matching but if the dates are from several different years...than it undermines the credibility of the statement "numbers matching" for that particular vehicle.
The perception is that numbers matching is an original car with original parts...date codes out of sequence indicates parts have been reconfigured to present the appearance of a numbers matching vehicle.
But what you've presented is the "quick start" method to determine matching numbers...engine pad, tranny and body (windshield post). This is where the VIN and VIN derivative have been stamped. And as Missleman has indicated...if you wish to go this route...get the NCRS tech manual for your model year.
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VetteG said:
Am I wrong or does numbers matching not mean with all original equipment?
You're correct - normally if a Vette is described as numbers matching, then all parts are as original. Thus the extravagant prices for parts numbered within original ranges, eg $4000 dollars for an air intake cover!I think you will find that "numbers matching" can have many interpretations so it would always be a good idea to check with the seller to make sure your definition is the same as theirs!
I've always made the assumption that "numbers matching" meant that chassis / engine / gearbox (other major mechanical parts) were the original ones. Exhaust for example would no doubt have long ago been replaced on an older car, as would brake pads, oil filter, air filters / windscreen wipers etc. (i.e. all the service type / limited life parts).
A "survivor" is usually defined as a completely unrestored car i.e. original paint, mechanicals, interior, but again you'd expect that it would have had consumable parts replaced at some point in it's life.
P.S. Did you see the advert for the Club on the same page?
I've always made the assumption that "numbers matching" meant that chassis / engine / gearbox (other major mechanical parts) were the original ones. Exhaust for example would no doubt have long ago been replaced on an older car, as would brake pads, oil filter, air filters / windscreen wipers etc. (i.e. all the service type / limited life parts).
A "survivor" is usually defined as a completely unrestored car i.e. original paint, mechanicals, interior, but again you'd expect that it would have had consumable parts replaced at some point in it's life.
P.S. Did you see the advert for the Club on the same page?
vetteheadracer said:
I think you will find that "numbers matching" can have many interpretations so it would always be a good idea to check with the seller to make sure your definition is the same as theirs!
I've always made the assumption that "numbers matching" meant that chassis / engine / gearbox (other major mechanical parts) were the original ones. Exhaust for example would no doubt have long ago been replaced on an older car, as would brake pads, oil filter, air filters / windscreen wipers etc. (i.e. all the service type / limited life parts).
Makes the whole thing about 'numbers matching' pretty pointless, seems to be its like beauty, its in the eye of the beholder!I've always made the assumption that "numbers matching" meant that chassis / engine / gearbox (other major mechanical parts) were the original ones. Exhaust for example would no doubt have long ago been replaced on an older car, as would brake pads, oil filter, air filters / windscreen wipers etc. (i.e. all the service type / limited life parts).
Still dont get the registration since as I understand it, you cannot have a registration younger than your car?
vetteheadracer said:
P.S. Did you see the advert for the Club on the same page?
Ive been back through the mag and still cant see the advert, certainly not on the Corvette review pages or the Claremont Ad page
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I'm with Nigel on the variations of numbers matching, for a quick summary of my understanding - it would be all numbers matching for NCRS at one end of the spectrum to engine and (maybe) transmission matching the VIN for your 'average' advertiser.
As for number plates, it was common for many a Yank in previous years to have been given a plate when they were first registered in the UK. I'm sure it's not right by even the DVLA's own rules, but it's a practice that they seemed to have adopted when there was any doubt over date of manufacture. I had a 70 Mustang on a T that we were looking at getting re-registered (hopefully for free tax.
As for number plates, it was common for many a Yank in previous years to have been given a plate when they were first registered in the UK. I'm sure it's not right by even the DVLA's own rules, but it's a practice that they seemed to have adopted when there was any doubt over date of manufacture. I had a 70 Mustang on a T that we were looking at getting re-registered (hopefully for free tax.
franv8 said:
I'm with Nigel on the variations of numbers matching, for a quick summary of my understanding - it would be all numbers matching for NCRS at one end of the spectrum to engine and (maybe) transmission matching the VIN for your 'average' advertiser.
As for number plates, it was common for many a Yank in previous years to have been given a plate when they were first registered in the UK. I'm sure it's not right by even the DVLA's own rules, but it's a practice that they seemed to have adopted when there was any doubt over date of manufacture. I had a 70 Mustang on a T that we were looking at getting re-registered (hopefully for free tax.
It also depends on whether the car was registered in the US before coming to the UK - just because it's a '69 doesn't mean it was first registered then. I saw an '07 C6 on a "59" plate last week....As for number plates, it was common for many a Yank in previous years to have been given a plate when they were first registered in the UK. I'm sure it's not right by even the DVLA's own rules, but it's a practice that they seemed to have adopted when there was any doubt over date of manufacture. I had a 70 Mustang on a T that we were looking at getting re-registered (hopefully for free tax.
GW65 said:
It also depends on whether the car was registered in the US before coming to the UK - just because it's a '69 doesn't mean it was first registered then. I saw an '07 C6 on a "59" plate last week....
Without wishing to stir up a hornets nest we all know who the specialists were in selling new cars with current reg's on but built 2-3 years previous. You gracing us with your presence tonight Gary?G4HKS said:
GW65 said:
It also depends on whether the car was registered in the US before coming to the UK - just because it's a '69 doesn't mean it was first registered then. I saw an '07 C6 on a "59" plate last week....
Without wishing to stir up a hornets nest we all know who the specialists were in selling new cars with current reg's on but built 2-3 years previous. You gracing us with your presence tonight Gary?Gassing Station | Corvettes | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff