2009 Red ZR1 for Sale

[vetteheadracer]

If anyone is seriously looking for a red ZR1 then I know that Sport Chevrolet have one for sale. They also have 2 2008 Indy Pace Cars both of which are discounted as is their 2009 red Z06.
I will be over in the US for the next couple of weeks and will be going in to the dealers on Saturday 11th of October, so if you are serious about buying any of their cars and would like me to take a look at them for you just let me know.

Details of their current Corvette inventory here:

http://www.sportchevrolet.com/Results.asp?selMake=...

They also have a discounted 2009 Black Z06 which might be of interest to a certain Mr. Yu.........

Edited by vetteheadracer on Saturday 27th September 09:01

[Godzilla]

Thanks Nige, but the last colour I would choose for another Z06 would be black. People wouldn't know I'd bought a new one!

In fact if I buy an '09 the main reason would be to get a Cyber Grey one, but right now the pound is a lot weaker than I would like. Still makes it a good time to sell mine in Europe, but then I would be without a Vette...

I will buy a ZR1 in a couple of years when a 2nd hand one is well below list. It will happen.

[Le Man]

With the dollar where it is and premiums currently being sought and achieved in the USA, we reckon a ZR1 shipped, taxed and SVA'd will cost top side of £107,000.00 compared to the full spec on the road price of a UK supplied warranted ZR1 0f £109k.
As for standard 'vettes, wait for imminent developments before committing to the import or parallel but ultimately, un-warranted route.

Edited by Le Man on Saturday 27th September 17:40

[Cuban]

Le Man said:

As for standard 'vettes, wait for imminent developments before committing to the import or parallel but ultimately, un-warranted route.

You tease.....

[vetteheadracer]

Le Man said:

With the dollar where it is and premiums currently being sought and achieved in the USA, we reckon a ZR1 shipped, taxed and SVA'd will cost top side of £107,000.00 compared to the full spec on the road price of a UK supplied warranted ZR1 0f £109k.
As for standard 'vettes, wait for imminent developments before committing to the import or parallel but ultimately, un-warranted route.

Edited by Le Man on Saturday 27th September 17:40

I must borrow your calculator sometime as how you think that £107,000 = US price of ZR1 plus shipping plus Duty plus VAT I will never know. Even with the 10-15 cent fall in the US dollar rate it would still mean that I could have one landed for about £80,000 which would mean the warranty must be about £29,000 according to your figures......are you expecting a lot of things to go wrong?

Don't believe the bullst about inflated prices for the ZR1 I know for a fact that this particular dealer and at least two others I spoke to will be happy to supply me with a ZR1 for MSRP......the words Credit and Crunch may have escaped you but in the USA they are desperate to sell hence the reason the are heavily discounting brand new 2009 Z06s, if you have cash it will buy you a lot in the USA at the moment, dare I say more than you would get from a UK dealer.

[Vet Guru]

Ok whats happening with Vette sales in the UK then? GM going to do massive discounts to shift them? Sounds intresting???????????????

[GW65]

Vet Guru said:

Ok whats happening with Vette sales in the UK then? GM going to do massive discounts to shift them? Sounds intresting???????????????

It will indeed... I managed to get about £7K off my '08 new from Strats back in March, which I thought was about as low as they'd go even with a dip in the economy. I noticed BM had one just like mine on their site a short while ago at more or less list. If the "new" prices are lower than I got on '09s (not old stock '08s) I'd be surprised...

[mitch_]

I've never believed in advertising cars at less than list Gary. The deals we agree are with individual customers. Discount advertising is a tactic employed by PLC's that are incapable of actually selling a car, customer service or an experience.

M

[mitch_]

vetteheadracer said:

Le Man said:

With the dollar where it is and premiums currently being sought and achieved in the USA, we reckon a ZR1 shipped, taxed and SVA'd will cost top side of £107,000.00 compared to the full spec on the road price of a UK supplied warranted ZR1 0f £109k.
As for standard 'vettes, wait for imminent developments before committing to the import or parallel but ultimately, un-warranted route.

Edited by Le Man on Saturday 27th September 17:40

I must borrow your calculator sometime as how you think that £107,000 = US price of ZR1 plus shipping plus Duty plus VAT I will never know. Even with the 10-15 cent fall in the US dollar rate it would still mean that I could have one landed for about £80,000 which would mean the warranty must be about £29,000 according to your figures......are you expecting a lot of things to go wrong?

Don't believe the bullst about inflated prices for the ZR1 I know for a fact that this particular dealer and at least two others I spoke to will be happy to supply me with a ZR1 for MSRP......the words Credit and Crunch may have escaped you but in the USA they are desperate to sell hence the reason the are heavily discounting brand new 2009 Z06s, if you have cash it will buy you a lot in the USA at the moment, dare I say more than you would get from a UK dealer.

When you have a dealer network as large as Chevrolet has in the U.S. you will always end up with one or two dealers that are incapable or scared of handling a car as expensive as the ZR1 so some will come out cheaper than others. However the average going rate for ZR1s stateside is in the region of $150k.

Whilst you refer to the credit crunch it's probably worth pointing out that I know more than a handful of people who are currently making more money now than 2 years ago. Money is not a commodity that simply disintegrates(unless someone literally sets fire to it) rather than one which gets redistributed throughout the world. Some cars are selling for premiums in the U.S. in a manner that nobody has ever seen before, something I partly attribute to CAFE legislation as some believe it could be the end of supercars in the U.S.

On the ZR1 I think it's always important to note that nobody here has driven a ZR1 or had one to know what the mechanical pitfalls of the car may be, but at 648Bhp I'm willing to bet that there will be some. That's nothing against the car, just a fact of life in the motor industry. The difference is that there aren't many cheap bits on the ZR1, I'm struggling to think of any. The brake discs are employed by Ferrari and a set from Ferrari is in the region of £25k, the engine will no doubt be in excess of £15k with gearboxes not likely to be pocket change either. Alot of lessons will be learnt from this car, so the question is whether you'd like to learn them at your expense or GM's.......

On another note I think it is important to note that a number of people are unhappy with the state of the dealer network in the U.K., but some people do rely on it at difficult times with their cars. We are working very hard with GM to make purchasing a Corvette in the U.K. a more financially attractive proposition. Ideally everyone would like to see more dedicated and enthusiastic dealers in the network but this will never happen if nobody buys a car here. Think of it as buying your next Rolex from eBay rather than a genuine dealer......

[Vet Guru]

I think GM are stuck with the Corvette problem and lack of sales in the UK for a while longer. The problems are you have one dealer in country (BM Manchester) And a large PLC that only are after profit and no customer service and no interest of repeat custom. How can any brand carry on when the salesman are useless dealerships open up and close within a few months! Stratstones are to blame for the lack of sales in Corvette in the UK.

Most people on here looking for a C6 would have spoken to them and the negative reply from Stratstones must only push them more into buying an Import and saving money. After all you buy a C6 from them and then find they don't want it back in part exchange? How long can you carry on running a dealership like that. And Gm's reply to poor sales last year was to get Bauer Millett back on as a official dealership for Corvette again, Maybe they should have done that in 2005!
GM must have a hotline number to Manchester when in trouble with Sales/Warranty give them a call!!

How do you get the customers back? Well some I feel would be lost for good but you need excellent customer service for a start and Knowledge of the product you are selling and the tools to back it up when you have a problem. Most problems can be fixed easy if the person looking at it has the knowledge for that product. How many nightmare tales about Stratstone Reading do we hear.
As for Stratstone selling the ZR-1 can you imagine the poor customer who walks into Park Lane or Reading..........

[Le Man]

Thanks Rob as usual for all the compliments.
Good news around the corner but I'm not one for breaking ranks.....

[Le Man]

vetteheadracer said:

Le Man said:

With the dollar where it is and premiums currently being sought and achieved in the USA, we reckon a ZR1 shipped, taxed and SVA'd will cost top side of £107,000.00 compared to the full spec on the road price of a UK supplied warranted ZR1 0f £109k.
As for standard 'vettes, wait for imminent developments before committing to the import or parallel but ultimately, un-warranted route.

Edited by Le Man on Saturday 27th September 17:40

I must borrow your calculator sometime as how you think that £107,000 = US price of ZR1 plus shipping plus Duty plus VAT I will never know. Even with the 10-15 cent fall in the US dollar rate it would still mean that I could have one landed for about £80,000 which would mean the warranty must be about £29,000 according to your figures......are you expecting a lot of things to go wrong?

Don't believe the bullst about inflated prices for the ZR1 I know for a fact that this particular dealer and at least two others I spoke to will be happy to supply me with a ZR1 for MSRP......the words Credit and Crunch may have escaped you but in the USA they are desperate to sell hence the reason the are heavily discounting brand new 2009 Z06s, if you have cash it will buy you a lot in the USA at the moment, dare I say more than you would get from a UK dealer.

After 35 years in the business of retailing motor cars I'm not used to being wrong.
I decided I'd try and buy the ZR1 at list.
Robert Hicks Fogarty Jr. the internet sales manager at Sports Chevrolet couldn't have been more courteous.
The car was previewed by existing customers on a launch day twelve days ago and a silent auction was run on the day.
To date, the best offer on the car is $139,900 but it's still on sale and they are still looking for a higher bid.
Next time you feel the need to spread bovine ordure about the forum, have the good manners not to resort to puerile rudeness when challenged.
Let's face it son... You're wrong.
If by chance you can land this car for £80,000, we will definitely buy it and be grateful too.
Personally, I reckon you have more chance of plaiting fog.

[vetteheadracer]

You need to speak to Robert Kramer the Sales Manager at Sports Chevrolet he was the one who offered me the ZR1 at list when I was in the dealership in May......infact I was the one who helped him spec the 3 cars that the dealership will be assigned this year! I will be in the dealership on Saturday week so will see Robert and see whether his word is still good.....if it isn't I will get the car at list from the other dealership I deal with in Detroit

IF people are stupid enough to pay over list for a car that will see 2500 units produced then they deserve all the depreciation they will get.

Edited by vetteheadracer on Wednesday 1st October 03:49

[Le Man]

It's 8.30 at Sports Chevrolet and Robert Kramer is just about to start the sales meeting.
" Now look guys, I know times are hard out there right now with the credit crunch an' all but I wanna ask you to do something for me.
Guys, I need you to ring all those customers who've offered premiums for the red ZR1 and tell 'em thanks but no thanks.
You remember Nige, the English guy who called by in May. Well I kinda inferred I'd sell him the car for MSRP and, well, I reckon we should stand by the offer and forget the $40,000 premium the American folks seem to want to pay to secure a car."

Yeah right!

All pigs fed and ready for flight....

Edited by Le Man on Wednesday 1st October 08:11

Edited by Le Man on Wednesday 1st October 08:21

[MrVelox]

Market on these cars is NOT Sticker. I am in the trade in America, a quasi-partner of mine is representing 2 of them for a dealer that we know at Manheim Auto Auction this month. We figure they will do in the 130s. If you're in the trade they will be on OVE and ATC by this week's end.

Have some been sold for sticker? Sure, I would guarantee that a fair number were presold for MSRP. Those were the guys that were in tight with their dealers and preordered them.

Reality is on them, right now is not MSRP. I know Chevrolet dealers who are paying $125k for cars with punched RDRs and $130k for cars without punched RDRs.

What a dealer might have offered you in may, versus $40k over that figure that is staring him in the face TODAY are two different things. Chevrolet dealers are hurting right now, I find it VERY hard to believe that they would be willing to give up $30-40k in gross profit just to be nice.

Look at eBay Item #300262012465 Check completed auctions, one just did $159k. All the ones on eBay US are in the $150k range. If you could buy them for list, dealers wouldn't be all asking tens of thousands over.

The dealer who mentioned 107,000 pounds is about right. I don't see them holding these figures much past January however. GTRs have come right done and quickly too... you can buy them all day long for $80k, they were doing $95k a month or two ago.

[vetteheadracer]

"sharks and feeding frenzy" springs to mind......once all the fools have been eaten then the price will be MSRP. I am not looking to buy one until next year so we will see who is right then.......

.......the phrases "credit crunch" and "gas prices" are the two biggest things here in the US........so anyone who pays over list for anything at the moment has too much money and deserves what they get i.e. ripped off.......I guess when the C6 Z06 there was also the same idiots who were prepared over list to be the first to own one, I am a patient man and prepared to wait.

There are radio adverts for the 100,000 foreclosed properties here that start rom $20,000 and up.......so perhaps I could buy a house with the money I save

[Le Man]

When you're wrong you're wrong.
Not the world.
You.

You must by now accept that your original statement was a load of testicles served with your usual side order of vitriol.

Watch out for green vans and men in white coats Nigel.

You are walking the line.

[car95]

One man's idiot is another's happy fellow driving a brand new car a year earlier!

We're all enthusiasts here. If someone is enthusiastic and has money to fund their enthusiasm then good luck to them!

(Same applies to buying new CD's, mobile phones, computers and many things. Pay a price to have now or wait sometime and get cheaper. It's a rational choice, if you have the money. If you don't then sorry, that's how the world goes.)

[vetteheadracer]

Le Man said:

When you're wrong you're wrong.
Not the world.
You.

You must by now accept that your original statement was a load of testicles served with your usual side order of vitriol.

Watch out for green vans and men in white coats Nigel.

You are walking the line.

Yep David of course you are the world and always right......and no vitriol in what I am saying......just fed up with dealer ripping customers off.

[mitch_]

It's not a case of always being right Nigel but the laws of economics are that profit is what makes the commercial world turn. Where you previously posted that the ZR1 at Sport Chevrolet could be bought for MSRP this is clearly not the case. I'm not saying that a ZR1 has not been sold at MSRP as I'm sure some very early orders were secured on this basis. However there is a clear going rate for the cars right now and as of this moment I haven't been able to find a car that I could buy today for the money that you suggest. It leaves me unsure as to who your original post would serve to help.

As I have written previously there is a scenario here where people are happy to take for granted all the things we try to do to help people with their cars, whilst forgetting the fact that if we never sold a car we would have no reason to exist. That is why we asked GM to help adjust their pricing in line with what cars can bought for elsewhere. We're not asking for a medal, a christmas card or a thank you, but it saddens me that after an achievement like this we find ourselves focussing on the negative rather than the positive.