registering my import.
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After getting my Titan pick up, SVA etc. Took all the documents including title certificate down to local DVLA office at Exeter. This was 23rd August 08. On 17th September I received my log book, nothing else. I contacted Swansea DVLA who arranged for a call within 2 hours from Exeter to explain where documents were. When they phoned they eventually said that documents, rfl etc. had been lost in the post.
I explained that they had made a mistake on the log book as well. The title (I kept a copy) clearly said odometer was 75miles and vehicle man. 09/08/06 actual ( What does actual mean?) then to the right of that it says date of issue to be 09/27/2006. On the V5 they sent me it says first registered 01/01/06 which clearly is wrong. I discussed this with them another couple of times and eventually this guy phoned this a.m. to say he 'WANTS PROOF' that it was registered in Florida on 09/27/06. I could'nt tie him down to what he means exactly, but he kept saying that the Title Deed was'nt total proof of the registration. There is a stamp on the drivers door shut that says manufactured 03/06, but then I suppose it goes to their compounds after that. What 'proof' can I get from the states.
That 10 months that DVLA are trying to chop off means devalued, M.O.T due before it should be.
I'm bloody furious with them at DVLA but what can the little fry do?
Greatly appreciate any info. off you guys if you've experienced anything like this as I'm determined to stand my ground over this.
To rub salt in the wounds they are taxing it from 1st August, even though it's not been on the road yet.
I explained that they had made a mistake on the log book as well. The title (I kept a copy) clearly said odometer was 75miles and vehicle man. 09/08/06 actual ( What does actual mean?) then to the right of that it says date of issue to be 09/27/2006. On the V5 they sent me it says first registered 01/01/06 which clearly is wrong. I discussed this with them another couple of times and eventually this guy phoned this a.m. to say he 'WANTS PROOF' that it was registered in Florida on 09/27/06. I could'nt tie him down to what he means exactly, but he kept saying that the Title Deed was'nt total proof of the registration. There is a stamp on the drivers door shut that says manufactured 03/06, but then I suppose it goes to their compounds after that. What 'proof' can I get from the states.
That 10 months that DVLA are trying to chop off means devalued, M.O.T due before it should be.
I'm bloody furious with them at DVLA but what can the little fry do?
Greatly appreciate any info. off you guys if you've experienced anything like this as I'm determined to stand my ground over this.
To rub salt in the wounds they are taxing it from 1st August, even though it's not been on the road yet.
Stingray01 said:
After getting my Titan pick up, SVA etc. Took all the documents including title certificate down to local DVLA office at Exeter. This was 23rd August 08. On 17th September I received my log book, nothing else. I contacted Swansea DVLA who arranged for a call within 2 hours from Exeter to explain where documents were. When they phoned they eventually said that documents, rfl etc. had been lost in the post.
I explained that they had made a mistake on the log book as well. The title (I kept a copy) clearly said odometer was 75miles and vehicle man. 09/08/06 actual ( What does actual mean?) then to the right of that it says date of issue to be 09/27/2006. On the V5 they sent me it says first registered 01/01/06 which clearly is wrong. I discussed this with them another couple of times and eventually this guy phoned this a.m. to say he 'WANTS PROOF' that it was registered in Florida on 09/27/06. I could'nt tie him down to what he means exactly, but he kept saying that the Title Deed was'nt total proof of the registration. There is a stamp on the drivers door shut that says manufactured 03/06, but then I suppose it goes to their compounds after that. What 'proof' can I get from the states.
That 10 months that DVLA are trying to chop off means devalued, M.O.T due before it should be.
I'm bloody furious with them at DVLA but what can the little fry do?
Greatly appreciate any info. off you guys if you've experienced anything like this as I'm determined to stand my ground over this.
To rub salt in the wounds they are taxing it from 1st August, even though it's not been on the road yet.
It is increadibly difficult to get something like this corrected by the DVLA. In the first instance I would try and make an appointment with the manager at your local DVLA office, take any documentation that you have (including photocopies of anything that is missing if you have them).I explained that they had made a mistake on the log book as well. The title (I kept a copy) clearly said odometer was 75miles and vehicle man. 09/08/06 actual ( What does actual mean?) then to the right of that it says date of issue to be 09/27/2006. On the V5 they sent me it says first registered 01/01/06 which clearly is wrong. I discussed this with them another couple of times and eventually this guy phoned this a.m. to say he 'WANTS PROOF' that it was registered in Florida on 09/27/06. I could'nt tie him down to what he means exactly, but he kept saying that the Title Deed was'nt total proof of the registration. There is a stamp on the drivers door shut that says manufactured 03/06, but then I suppose it goes to their compounds after that. What 'proof' can I get from the states.
That 10 months that DVLA are trying to chop off means devalued, M.O.T due before it should be.
I'm bloody furious with them at DVLA but what can the little fry do?
Greatly appreciate any info. off you guys if you've experienced anything like this as I'm determined to stand my ground over this.
To rub salt in the wounds they are taxing it from 1st August, even though it's not been on the road yet.
If they are a nice, understanding type of person then thay might get you to sit down while they call Swansea and try to rectify things.They will than ask for copies of everything that you have on you and will take the items away and promise to sort it out. 4-6 weeks later you will get a new V5, most likely with new dates etc, which will be different to the ones that you asked for but if you are lucky they will be closer to reality.
Even with UK cars I have had issues. If they have never had age related plates on we sometimes ended up with a newer plate than the car could ever have - I know of a BMW on an 05 plate which is in fact an early 54 plate because of the DVLA, which they refused to change to a correct plate!
I seem to recall that Nigel had similar issues with his previous Z06.
I had a similar issue with the DVLA when registering my corvette.
My case was even worse because the car was first registered Nov 05 but was built June 05.
Originally it was given a 54 plate because they said all american cars will be given a plate that correspons to Jan of the year of manufacture.
Eventually it got changed to an 05 based on them accepting the build plaque and me arguing that it was impossible to give a car a plate older than it was actually built. Even this took three attempts at the paper work before corrected. In fairness the manager at the DVLA office in Luton (now closed) was ultimately helpful but seemed to be working from guidelines.
She said that she could only give it a 55 plate if I provided a letter from the USA dealer that first sold the car stating that the car was new at date of first registration.
David
My case was even worse because the car was first registered Nov 05 but was built June 05.
Originally it was given a 54 plate because they said all american cars will be given a plate that correspons to Jan of the year of manufacture.
Eventually it got changed to an 05 based on them accepting the build plaque and me arguing that it was impossible to give a car a plate older than it was actually built. Even this took three attempts at the paper work before corrected. In fairness the manager at the DVLA office in Luton (now closed) was ultimately helpful but seemed to be working from guidelines.
She said that she could only give it a 55 plate if I provided a letter from the USA dealer that first sold the car stating that the car was new at date of first registration.
David
So I'm not the only one with issues of the DVLA. Thanks for the imput gents, I have wrote a letter to them re. documents etc. asking EXACTLY what they want me to find out, so will live in hope. Does anyone know that if you sell your motor in the states does the new owner get a fresh certificate of title or does the original title stay with the car.
They just could'nt understand or give me an explanation as to why they registered the motor from 1st Jan 06 when it's clearly stamped on the door shut 03/06. and that it had only covered 75 miles 0n Sept.8th when it was sold and registered on 27th September which is clear on the title.
More than likely I will have to go to the original seller as mentioned
I was turned down for a job at DVLA as my brain is whole and has complete function.
They just could'nt understand or give me an explanation as to why they registered the motor from 1st Jan 06 when it's clearly stamped on the door shut 03/06. and that it had only covered 75 miles 0n Sept.8th when it was sold and registered on 27th September which is clear on the title.
More than likely I will have to go to the original seller as mentioned
I was turned down for a job at DVLA as my brain is whole and has complete function.
Stingray01 said:
I could'nt tie him down to what he means exactly, but he kept saying that the Title Deed was'nt total proof of the registration. There is a stamp on the drivers door shut that says manufactured 03/06, but then I suppose it goes to their compounds after that. What 'proof' can I get from the states.
Was the truck on the road in FL? If so, do you still have the tag and license plate? That should provide the evidence you need. If your FL tag covers the dates in question you're golden, no?Hi Matt,
The truck was driven on Florida roads. I don't have the tags or licence plates as when I bought it there were no plates on it. I have the copy of certificate of title. I would have thought that would have been enough for the DVLA. Can I approach the vehicle licencing authorities to see if they can give me info.
I have just looked on my V5 of my C6 and bugger me they've made a mistake on that. They have it as 01/01/06 when it is June 20th 06 so I will be sorting that out as well.
The truck was driven on Florida roads. I don't have the tags or licence plates as when I bought it there were no plates on it. I have the copy of certificate of title. I would have thought that would have been enough for the DVLA. Can I approach the vehicle licencing authorities to see if they can give me info.
I have just looked on my V5 of my C6 and bugger me they've made a mistake on that. They have it as 01/01/06 when it is June 20th 06 so I will be sorting that out as well.
Stingray01 said:
Hi Matt,
The truck was driven on Florida roads. I don't have the tags or licence plates as when I bought it there were no plates on it. I have the copy of certificate of title. I would have thought that would have been enough for the DVLA. Can I approach the vehicle licencing authorities to see if they can give me info.
I have just looked on my V5 of my C6 and bugger me they've made a mistake on that. They have it as 01/01/06 when it is June 20th 06 so I will be sorting that out as well.
Hi againThe truck was driven on Florida roads. I don't have the tags or licence plates as when I bought it there were no plates on it. I have the copy of certificate of title. I would have thought that would have been enough for the DVLA. Can I approach the vehicle licencing authorities to see if they can give me info.
I have just looked on my V5 of my C6 and bugger me they've made a mistake on that. They have it as 01/01/06 when it is June 20th 06 so I will be sorting that out as well.
I don't think the title, on it's own is evidence that your Titan was registered here.
FL DMV will have a record of that though. I'm pretty sure that if you give them the VIN they can provide evidence that it was registered and tagged here - with the appropriate dates. When are you back over?
I had the opposite happen - they gave me 1 Jan 2003 for my 2003 Vette that was actually titled in the US Sept 2002. So I have not raised it with them. I do not know why they cannot understand that the title is the nearest thing you get to a V5 in the UK and believe it; it seems obvious to me.
The other thing you can try is getting the manufacturer to give you 'evidence'. I got build sheets for both my Corvettes from the National Corvette Museum - they do nice laminated copies which look nice by the way - it shows clearly the day and houe it was built, detailed spec and options etc which is beyond doubt. Very nice to frame and put on the garage wall.
The only problem with that is if you buy something that was in a field for a while in which case the build date may be before the title date. Of course that happens here too where many a 'new car' are registered months or even years after being built.
Which all goes to show this is all balls. Buy a car you like and are happy is what it claims to be in terms of manufacture, condition and maintenance, and ignore any government issued registration material.
The other thing you can try is getting the manufacturer to give you 'evidence'. I got build sheets for both my Corvettes from the National Corvette Museum - they do nice laminated copies which look nice by the way - it shows clearly the day and houe it was built, detailed spec and options etc which is beyond doubt. Very nice to frame and put on the garage wall.
The only problem with that is if you buy something that was in a field for a while in which case the build date may be before the title date. Of course that happens here too where many a 'new car' are registered months or even years after being built.
Which all goes to show this is all balls. Buy a car you like and are happy is what it claims to be in terms of manufacture, condition and maintenance, and ignore any government issued registration material.
Love my titan truck. It's just that I will have to M.O.T the truck on 1st Jan 06 instead of 27th September, quite a difference. I'm not going to bow down just because the bloody govt. body decides to do what it wants over joe public.
After many deliberations with the staff of DVLA it is obvious they are'nt in tune with each other there and just pass the buck hoping you are going to go away.....wrong...I just want what is right and proper.
I will get there in the end..
After many deliberations with the staff of DVLA it is obvious they are'nt in tune with each other there and just pass the buck hoping you are going to go away.....wrong...I just want what is right and proper.
I will get there in the end..
Stingray01 said:
Love my titan truck. It's just that I will have to M.O.T the truck on 1st Jan 06 instead of 27th September, quite a difference. I'm not going to bow down just because the bloody govt. body decides to do what it wants over joe public.
After many deliberations with the staff of DVLA it is obvious they are'nt in tune with each other there and just pass the buck hoping you are going to go away.....wrong...I just want what is right and proper.
I will get there in the end..
From past experience I'm not absolutely convinced that you will get anywhere. The DVLA has a monopoly given it is a government body, therefore fees go up and nobody cares as customer service goes down. Eventually you'll have to total up what it has cost you to fix your problem and sadly you'll probably realise it just isn't worth it.After many deliberations with the staff of DVLA it is obvious they are'nt in tune with each other there and just pass the buck hoping you are going to go away.....wrong...I just want what is right and proper.
I will get there in the end..
I'm a stubborn bugger and I will dig my heels in over this. I have'nt had a letter back from DVLA explaining exactly what they want but hopefully it will arrive in the next few days.
Have done a vehicle information check on the truck with Florida DVA and it comes up with exactly what it says on the certificate of title which I have.
It will only take me some of my own time and no cost will be involved getting the info. DVLA might need.
Have done a vehicle information check on the truck with Florida DVA and it comes up with exactly what it says on the certificate of title which I have.
It will only take me some of my own time and no cost will be involved getting the info. DVLA might need.
Yes it does work both ways.
I bought a C5 Corvette convertible that had been originally supplied by Bauer Millet and registered new as a 2000 car. It was built in March 1999. Good - in that the DVLA considered it younger than it actually was - Bad in that the 2000 spec was better than the 99, so I was a little disappointed by that. Not suggesting anything improper occurred - just the way the cookie crumbles, I guess.
As to Stingray's issue. I'm pretty certain you can get a record of the vehicles registration (rather than title) history from Florida DMV, by simply supplying the VIN and proof of ownership (the title doc).
I bought a C5 Corvette convertible that had been originally supplied by Bauer Millet and registered new as a 2000 car. It was built in March 1999. Good - in that the DVLA considered it younger than it actually was - Bad in that the 2000 spec was better than the 99, so I was a little disappointed by that. Not suggesting anything improper occurred - just the way the cookie crumbles, I guess.
As to Stingray's issue. I'm pretty certain you can get a record of the vehicles registration (rather than title) history from Florida DMV, by simply supplying the VIN and proof of ownership (the title doc).
Given that you are deealing with the DVLA, this may not help, but
Have you thought about getting a Carfax report? As I understand it, they are THE Bible when it comes to the history of any car that has been registerted and serviced in the US. Certainly looked like a fairly credible and reliable history when I got one for a C5 that I considered buying over here..
It may not work with the DVLA, but for £30 it might be worth a shot...
HTH
Stingray01 said:
Had a reply back from DVLA, very quick! Very nice letter. All they need is for me to write to the original licensing dept. in Florida asking for an extract of my vehicle record. Job done. Will keep you informed of the outcome just in case you import in future.
May not be that simple......Florida Licensing are US gov department therefore about as likely to give out information as GCHQ........you might have more luck with the original supplying dealer. If you phone up Mitch at Bauer Millet he can probably provide you with that information from the VIN number of the car. I had to do this with my second 2003 C5 Z06 as it was bought by me in Texas but originally supplied from Louisianna therefore the Texas Title inconveniently didn't hold the original registration date but the original Texas registration date. Managed to track down the original supply dealer from James at Stratstones (unfortunately James is no longer there), hence I mentioned Mith at Bauer Millet.Have sent the letter off to Highway Patrol Dept. Tallahasee, Florida to try and get a response. Thanks vetteheadracer, will contact Mitch at Bauer Millets Monday and give him the Vin. hopefully he can sort reg. date out. If succesful with this one I'm going to try and get my C6 V5 changed as I believe that is 9 months out . Sept 06 instead of Jan 06. It just means M O T is due 9 months before it should be.
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