Songman3's Z06 vs Lambo Gallardo @ FT08
Discussion
Yes, this Sunday Songman3 will go head to head with a Lambo Gallardo over a standing mile, it will be interesting to see how much he can pull on it over the distance.
As I'm getting ever close to taking the plunge on a 2006 Z06 myself I've also decided to run my 4.2 Cerbera against him in round 1. Naturally I don't have any chance of winning the race (maybe I could pip him to the 1/4 if I'm very lucky) but I just want to see with my own eyes how strong the Z06 is relative to my current TVR. I suspect over 100 he will vanish quite quickly! There are still spaces available if anyone fancies running.
As I'm getting ever close to taking the plunge on a 2006 Z06 myself I've also decided to run my 4.2 Cerbera against him in round 1. Naturally I don't have any chance of winning the race (maybe I could pip him to the 1/4 if I'm very lucky) but I just want to see with my own eyes how strong the Z06 is relative to my current TVR. I suspect over 100 he will vanish quite quickly! There are still spaces available if anyone fancies running.
here's some times from a similar event a few years ago at Woodbridge
http://www.cyber-site.com/terminalvelocity/2005tsp...
http://www.cyber-site.com/terminalvelocity/2005tsp...
Soop Dogg said:
BLUETHUNDER said:
Looks like there will only be a couple of Vette owners there tomorrow,me included.It will be nice to see how we fair.
Well?How did it all go?
Pity the organisers timing gear wasnt working half the day, and the mile turned into 7/8th mile....
What was the event all about ????
I had a great time at FT 2008 – thanks to Longbow and the organisers!
Most important - great weather – catching up with of old friends and new – heck, I even managed to get the car there, compete, and get it back home without breaking something!
No doubt, there are one or two ‘procedural’ matters which could be improved upon for next year’s event, but overall, I’m sure that Fighting Torque will go from strength to strength as a ‘must attend’ on the performance enthusiast’s motoring calendar!
How did the Z06 fare? – not bad at all, considering the rather amateurish abilities of its driver, especially with regard to the techniques of launching the car down the strip and the art of changing gear!!!
I had two good runs and two not so good ones –uum!- managing to boil the clutch fluid on run two
, and miss third gear entirely on run four!!
Bearing that in mind, the Z06’s efforts begin to appear more remarkable by the minute, for the results achieved – best Max 171mph, best time 26.53sec. - were obtained without ‘burnouts’, or other specialist launch techniques – just 2000 rpm on the tach, traction control on, and away!
I’ve no doubt that a more skilled pilot, or indeed a more practised Songman3 could have achieved even better results.
From the results I’ve seen, it would appear that the Z06 was yet again the fastest standard production car on the day, emulating its efforts from last year’s event!
The cars that better its times, all appear to be modified tuner specials, and the slower contingent behind include many notable names!
The fact that the Z06 just managed to edge, if only by a whisker, the time and speed posted by Coyft’s sublimely beautiful lightweight Gallardo, speaks volumes for its abilities to spring a genuine surprise or two in the ranks of the mighty!
All in all by the time I’d returned home from Fighting Torque, I’d driven more than 1000miles in the Z06, running in sharply contrasting situations – with motorway cruising and slow moving heavy traffic as well as runs flat out down the strip – there were times during the journey, when I appreciated its quiet cabin, relaxed cruising and light clutch as much as its ability to sprint down the track!
The fact that it acquitted itself so well in such a variety of different circumstances, is remarkable enough – the fact that it managed to do all this whilst still delivering an overall fuel consumption in excess of 24mpg - is quite amazing!
Surely – pound for pound – the Z06 is best value super car available today in the UK!
Most important - great weather – catching up with of old friends and new – heck, I even managed to get the car there, compete, and get it back home without breaking something!
No doubt, there are one or two ‘procedural’ matters which could be improved upon for next year’s event, but overall, I’m sure that Fighting Torque will go from strength to strength as a ‘must attend’ on the performance enthusiast’s motoring calendar!
How did the Z06 fare? – not bad at all, considering the rather amateurish abilities of its driver, especially with regard to the techniques of launching the car down the strip and the art of changing gear!!!
I had two good runs and two not so good ones –uum!- managing to boil the clutch fluid on run two
, and miss third gear entirely on run four!!Bearing that in mind, the Z06’s efforts begin to appear more remarkable by the minute, for the results achieved – best Max 171mph, best time 26.53sec. - were obtained without ‘burnouts’, or other specialist launch techniques – just 2000 rpm on the tach, traction control on, and away!
I’ve no doubt that a more skilled pilot, or indeed a more practised Songman3 could have achieved even better results.
From the results I’ve seen, it would appear that the Z06 was yet again the fastest standard production car on the day, emulating its efforts from last year’s event!
The cars that better its times, all appear to be modified tuner specials, and the slower contingent behind include many notable names!
The fact that the Z06 just managed to edge, if only by a whisker, the time and speed posted by Coyft’s sublimely beautiful lightweight Gallardo, speaks volumes for its abilities to spring a genuine surprise or two in the ranks of the mighty!
All in all by the time I’d returned home from Fighting Torque, I’d driven more than 1000miles in the Z06, running in sharply contrasting situations – with motorway cruising and slow moving heavy traffic as well as runs flat out down the strip – there were times during the journey, when I appreciated its quiet cabin, relaxed cruising and light clutch as much as its ability to sprint down the track!
The fact that it acquitted itself so well in such a variety of different circumstances, is remarkable enough – the fact that it managed to do all this whilst still delivering an overall fuel consumption in excess of 24mpg - is quite amazing!
Surely – pound for pound – the Z06 is best value super car available today in the UK!
Edited by songman3 on Tuesday 12th August 23:42
Wow, cogratulations Songman3! Your speed 171mph was pretty close to my guess then! I never measured myself in the standing mile at Bruntingthorpe, only 0-60 and 0-100, but about 1.5 miles down their 2 mile runway I was hitting over 185mph so I estimated that at the mile we must have been doing 170 or more.
Your launch method would lose you about half a second in the standing 1/4 mile though and more in the mile, assuming that you managed to change gear on the shift up arrow in every gear. Burnouts don't make too much difference to road compound tyres, but they at least clean the tyres of bits of gravel etc that may have stuck to them. Try 2600rpm / 2700rpm with traction control off next time, and allow a small amount of wheelspin. If it hooks up too well with no wheelspin then even with the traction control off, the torque management program will still cut in to save the gearbox and reduce power and times, so you do want it to wheelspin a little and then just ride it out until the tyres hook by themselves. I've been changing my clutch fluid each time before I drag race my Z06 after reading "Ranger"'s advice - the guy that ran the quickest times with a stock C6 Z06 in the USA. It's very easy, takes 5 minutes, and avoids the clutch woes that will crop up with repeated abuse and old blackened clutch fluid. I've had no problems since.
Anyway, well done old chap!
Your launch method would lose you about half a second in the standing 1/4 mile though and more in the mile, assuming that you managed to change gear on the shift up arrow in every gear. Burnouts don't make too much difference to road compound tyres, but they at least clean the tyres of bits of gravel etc that may have stuck to them. Try 2600rpm / 2700rpm with traction control off next time, and allow a small amount of wheelspin. If it hooks up too well with no wheelspin then even with the traction control off, the torque management program will still cut in to save the gearbox and reduce power and times, so you do want it to wheelspin a little and then just ride it out until the tyres hook by themselves. I've been changing my clutch fluid each time before I drag race my Z06 after reading "Ranger"'s advice - the guy that ran the quickest times with a stock C6 Z06 in the USA. It's very easy, takes 5 minutes, and avoids the clutch woes that will crop up with repeated abuse and old blackened clutch fluid. I've had no problems since.
Anyway, well done old chap!
Thanks !
There were some difficulties with the timing gear which led to the event being staged over 7/8th mile instead of the full mile.
I had a Racelogic box in my car set to the mile distance, and it recorded 174mph terminal speed for the Z06.
I am sure I could have done better, but my mind was rather focused on the fact that I had to undertake a 450 mile return journey back home subsequent to the event, and I wanted to make that drive with the car's wheels riding firmly on the blacktop, and not the back of an AA flatbed.
True to the spirit of the event,this year, I had hopes that we would see one of Maranello's proteges, perhaps an Aston, a new Nissan GTR or an R8 or two - guess they all decided to stay home in case they marked the paint!
Though I know we all have different criteria by which we justify and rationalise our individual affair with the automobile ,surely, in the final analysis, all arguments must reduce to the common concept of the car being a dynamic entity!
Thus, if we are to experience and express the full splendour of the designer's vision, we have to be courageous enough to open the garage door, fire up the engine and head out onto the highway with our beloved machine!
Lamborghini,this year luckily had Coyft - a man with the courage of his convictions - to well represent their marque!
Hopefully next year he will be an inspiration to others from the Maranello brigade, et al, to answer the call to arms and venture forth.
Come on guys! - old Enzo is turning in his grave!!
Next year too, perhaps there could be two classes of entrant for the event - Forced Induction/nitrous, and Normally Aspirated?
This division would I feel, give a more level playing field for all, and perhaps encourage the entry of more exoitica to the meet.
I have some mods planned for my Z06 so this may well be my last year as a competitor with a standard car.
In truth, I'm as yet undecided as to the final extent and exact nature of the engine upgrades for the Z06.
There is huge power potential in the LS7 - leaving it normally aspirated, changes in cam, exhaust,etc, will yield an easy 100+ horsepower over the standard design's 505 SAE bhp
Then there are turbo and supercharger kits which will give 700+bhp with minor engine mods, and of course a fully 'built', blown motor will give 1000+bhp
W'ell just have to see! - I'll have to do something, 'cause those Bauer Millett guys are sure to be there at next year's meet, with their new ZR1
There were some difficulties with the timing gear which led to the event being staged over 7/8th mile instead of the full mile.
I had a Racelogic box in my car set to the mile distance, and it recorded 174mph terminal speed for the Z06.
I am sure I could have done better, but my mind was rather focused on the fact that I had to undertake a 450 mile return journey back home subsequent to the event, and I wanted to make that drive with the car's wheels riding firmly on the blacktop, and not the back of an AA flatbed.
True to the spirit of the event,this year, I had hopes that we would see one of Maranello's proteges, perhaps an Aston, a new Nissan GTR or an R8 or two - guess they all decided to stay home in case they marked the paint!
Though I know we all have different criteria by which we justify and rationalise our individual affair with the automobile ,surely, in the final analysis, all arguments must reduce to the common concept of the car being a dynamic entity!
Thus, if we are to experience and express the full splendour of the designer's vision, we have to be courageous enough to open the garage door, fire up the engine and head out onto the highway with our beloved machine!
Lamborghini,this year luckily had Coyft - a man with the courage of his convictions - to well represent their marque!
Hopefully next year he will be an inspiration to others from the Maranello brigade, et al, to answer the call to arms and venture forth.
Come on guys! - old Enzo is turning in his grave!!
Next year too, perhaps there could be two classes of entrant for the event - Forced Induction/nitrous, and Normally Aspirated?
This division would I feel, give a more level playing field for all, and perhaps encourage the entry of more exoitica to the meet.
I have some mods planned for my Z06 so this may well be my last year as a competitor with a standard car.
In truth, I'm as yet undecided as to the final extent and exact nature of the engine upgrades for the Z06.
There is huge power potential in the LS7 - leaving it normally aspirated, changes in cam, exhaust,etc, will yield an easy 100+ horsepower over the standard design's 505 SAE bhp
Then there are turbo and supercharger kits which will give 700+bhp with minor engine mods, and of course a fully 'built', blown motor will give 1000+bhp
W'ell just have to see! - I'll have to do something, 'cause those Bauer Millett guys are sure to be there at next year's meet, with their new ZR1
Edited by songman3 on Friday 15th August 09:28
Well done John, but I'm really surprised you said you ran it with TC on!
Just a mild perusing of the Corvette Forum would reveal that all the best times are with TC off, although on a narrow drag strip even Ranger runs with AH on to prevent momentary lapses of traction putting the car into the wall.
Next year, I may well "drag" myself up to Suffolk to have a go.
My trophy from last year's Fastest Kid in the Valley is beginning to feel a bit lonely!
Just a mild perusing of the Corvette Forum would reveal that all the best times are with TC off, although on a narrow drag strip even Ranger runs with AH on to prevent momentary lapses of traction putting the car into the wall.
Next year, I may well "drag" myself up to Suffolk to have a go.
My trophy from last year's Fastest Kid in the Valley is beginning to feel a bit lonely!
Godzilla said:
Well done John, but I'm really surprised you said you ran it with TC on!
Just a mild perusing of the Corvette Forum would reveal that all the best times are with TC off, although on a narrow drag strip even Ranger runs with AH on to prevent momentary lapses of traction putting the car into the wall.
Next year, I may well "drag" myself up to Suffolk to have a go.
My trophy from last year's Fastest Kid in the Valley is beginning to feel a bit lonely!
ThanksJust a mild perusing of the Corvette Forum would reveal that all the best times are with TC off, although on a narrow drag strip even Ranger runs with AH on to prevent momentary lapses of traction putting the car into the wall.
Next year, I may well "drag" myself up to Suffolk to have a go.
My trophy from last year's Fastest Kid in the Valley is beginning to feel a bit lonely!
- I was hoping we might see you there! -perhaps next year?I'm sure there will be more Z06s flying the flag next year!
I am the first to admit that I'm not a drag strip specialist - my mechanical sympathies get the better of me and in truth I see the circuit to be more of a challenge!
I am always nervous about trying to touch the absolute limits of the car, when I'm so far from home without a trailer.
It's such a pain getting back home if anything fails - probably a two day shot!
I noticed there was a queue for the AA's recovery services at laybys a couple of miles from the event!
I decided to treat the event as a bit of fun, and not get too serious about shaving tenths of my times, so the times I recorded were what the average enthusiast could expect without trying too hard.
Perhaps I could have improved by 0.5 to 1 second at best.
I had two good run and two bad - I boiled the clutch fluid due to being staged for far too long,as a consequence of the organisers 'communication difficulties' on the strip, and I missed third gear,which was a consequence of my loss of concentration, which of course laid me open to the usual machinations of the T56 gremlin.
My Racelogic box recorded 0-60 in 4.6 sec/0-100 in 8.8sec,and terminal speed on the mile of 174mph.
Considering the amount of technique required to really get the best out of the Z06, compared with say the likes of a GTR with all its electronic aids - well, I think the results I posted show just what a fast car the standard Z06 is.
It is a car that has real depth of ability, and presents its owner, should he wish, with a real challenge to improve his driving skills.
Should he decide to meet that challenge, then his efforts to improve with persistence practice, will be well rewarded.
The Z06 may be many things - but never, ever, ever could it be called boring!
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