OK ...How much over list would pay ?
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What I should have said was......How much over list would YOU pay ?
'09 ZR1 ebay motors US http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2009-C
'09 ZR1 ebay motors US http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2009-C
Edited by v8yea on Thursday 3rd July 17:14
I agree,this dealer has been gifted a decent profit and wants to exploit it,shouldn't GM prohibit this practice ? or do they condone it to maintain dealership loyalty and simply keep dealerships in their team ?
I am aware that anybody who is a dealer/franchisee for the big players are at the mercy of the Gods as far as corporate image is concerned,but surely they have a large enough margin contracted to them, otherwise they wouldn't have signed up in the first instance.
I am aware that anybody who is a dealer/franchisee for the big players are at the mercy of the Gods as far as corporate image is concerned,but surely they have a large enough margin contracted to them, otherwise they wouldn't have signed up in the first instance.
Z06s sold out when they first came out as they're limited to around 7,000 cars per year by the fact they are hand built on a separate production line to the regular C6.
Demand when they came out meant that the first cars traded at about $20,000 over list. Thats why I ended up buying a UK car, since I couldn't find a dealer willing to sell me one at list price in the USA at the time.
Demand when they came out meant that the first cars traded at about $20,000 over list. Thats why I ended up buying a UK car, since I couldn't find a dealer willing to sell me one at list price in the USA at the time.
In the harsh realities of the motor trade the more you pay for a car the more you lose in depreciation.
A sucker who pays over list to be first on the road in the latest toy pays heavily for his thrill. Even if he only keeps the car a short time the "uniqueness" that he paid so much for has obviously ceased to exist. And then there's the depreciation.....
A sucker who pays over list to be first on the road in the latest toy pays heavily for his thrill. Even if he only keeps the car a short time the "uniqueness" that he paid so much for has obviously ceased to exist. And then there's the depreciation.....
mitch_ said:
If you want to see scandalous go and look at GT500KR's and they're not even half the car that a Z06 is!!
The difference is they are only making 1000 KRs so they will sell at a premium whatever anyone says- I m buying one at the moment for someone who just has to have it, he knows its overpriced and underpowered but just wants the heritage and history. But you are right it is half the car, but then again I think a Callaway beats the lot for the money. If you ever get one in Mich, you should have a go and let us know what you think- it is truly awesome.Edited by 51state on Friday 4th July 21:34
I kept on telling my clients not to pay a premium for the GT500, and ended up being ridculously wrong-and I m sure we all balked at premiums of $20k over and more for the Ford GTs but they are now $40 or $50k over if you can find low mileages 06's- I gave up predicting these things long ago!! The economy is not going to affect the top end of US and Eastern European buyers who dictate the market for the truly limited edition cars.
The volume of activity on this forum never ceases to amaze me! It almost makes me want to buy a Blackberry so I too can post at ridiculous times in the morning...
Charles, I think you'll find my brief precis of the 'KR' was rather less complimentary so I'll forgive myself there. With regards to Callaway I hope to try one soon. Your confusion over my disussions with Callaway might be explained if I told you I was speaking to Callaway in Germany, the guys who also build the GT3/4 cars and have also agreed authorised supplier status with Kroymans.
On the Ford GT500 and GT front I watch the values of GT's in the states and whilst they might be climbing in price I don't see much proof that any of them are actually selling. Similar things are happening in this country with old shape Bentley Continental's and Azures, but the same cars are still for sale all over the country. There are very few cars in this world that are built in any numbers that have appreciated in value over the last few decades. I know of someone who bought a Carrera GT thinking it would have gone UP in value by now?! I think he's shocked himself as a result.
Economic times like these are divisive as those who have now have more and those who haven't have less. As a result top end, limited run, premium cars will still be saleable, particularly in the U.S. where everyone is getting wound up about the introduction of CAFE which could potentially see the end of the American Supercar.
I guess it's going to be cheaper to buy a U.K. ZR-1 then......
Charles, I think you'll find my brief precis of the 'KR' was rather less complimentary so I'll forgive myself there. With regards to Callaway I hope to try one soon. Your confusion over my disussions with Callaway might be explained if I told you I was speaking to Callaway in Germany, the guys who also build the GT3/4 cars and have also agreed authorised supplier status with Kroymans.
On the Ford GT500 and GT front I watch the values of GT's in the states and whilst they might be climbing in price I don't see much proof that any of them are actually selling. Similar things are happening in this country with old shape Bentley Continental's and Azures, but the same cars are still for sale all over the country. There are very few cars in this world that are built in any numbers that have appreciated in value over the last few decades. I know of someone who bought a Carrera GT thinking it would have gone UP in value by now?! I think he's shocked himself as a result.
Economic times like these are divisive as those who have now have more and those who haven't have less. As a result top end, limited run, premium cars will still be saleable, particularly in the U.S. where everyone is getting wound up about the introduction of CAFE which could potentially see the end of the American Supercar.
I guess it's going to be cheaper to buy a U.K. ZR-1 then......
JenkinsComp said:
Z06s sold out when they first came out as they're limited to around 7,000 cars per year by the fact they are hand built on a separate production line to the regular C6.
Demand when they came out meant that the first cars traded at about $20,000 over list. Thats why I ended up buying a UK car, since I couldn't find a dealer willing to sell me one at list price in the USA at the time.
Actually they all go down the same production line and they build on demand depending on what dealers are asking for. Of course for the ZR1 they say are limiting production but likelihood is in current environment of C6 and Z06 sales they'll make a lot of ZR1 - but it'll take a while for them to get out there. They'll be able to keep within the 'limited run' due to upcoming C7 I imagine rather than anything else, and towards the end they may reduce production to maintain the MSRP - which will get pressured once all the 'more money than sense crowd' have theirs locked away under covers. Demand when they came out meant that the first cars traded at about $20,000 over list. Thats why I ended up buying a UK car, since I couldn't find a dealer willing to sell me one at list price in the USA at the time.
Being a brit and unused to dealer gouging (as it is called here) I refused to pay a ridiculous premium on the Z06 so waited two years and got a $7000 discount on list for my trouble (and driving the C5 Z06 while I waited was no hardship). They now discount for $10000. Get one.
Over here the Dealers can sell for what they like, MSRP is just - 'recommended'. You can see online the dealer's invoice price and incentives so it is quite transparent when it comes to negotiating - once you get to older models you can pitch a price to them just about at invoice price and they'll go for it. But you can't have you cake and eat it, especially if it's a hot one like the ZR1., they'll get what they can get. It's called a market economy.
cdp234 said:
Oy mate, Mrs Slowcoach wants a new house- best you trot down with your wonga to my Manchester manor and buy an 06 vette (well an 05 model year but who's checking)- is that alright treacle? lots of love David Slowcoach-Trotter - known as Del boy to his mates, I mean mate!
Now I wonder who has the initials cdp`?4 posts
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Edited by Le Man on Sunday 6th July 07:18
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