Thinking of buying a C6 or Z06, so how good are these cars?

Thinking of buying a C6 or Z06, so how good are these cars?

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[OcUK]Gibbo

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3,572 posts

213 months

Sunday 27th May 2007
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Hi there

Well the time for a vehicle change is coming up. My current car is a 2005 Saleen S281 Mustang that I've owned for just over 18 months. I got it with 600 miles on the clock and now it has just over 12,000 on the clock. I've drastically improved the car since owning it by fitting the Saleen Supercharger as a kit from JDM engineering in the US, so its now producing 530BHP and 510Lb-Ft. Also got the Shelby GT500 brakes on the car along with a selection of Steeda suspension parts so the car handles very well to be honest.

Now my next car choices are pretty much narrowed down to a Porsche GT3 or 911 Turbo. The other option of course though is a C6 or C6 Z06.

So first of all what are the main difference between the C6 and Z06. This car will be used as a daily driver and either won't be tracked or if it is only once or twice. I have no issues with modding cars or servicing them myself as I've done the Mustang including fitting the supercharger.

So any major differences on the different year of C6 vehicles? Are there any must have factory options that improve the car? How easy is the C6 to mod for more power and how well does it handle on UK roads, can it be made to handle nearly as good as the Z06?

Sames goes for the C6 Z06, any difference between the difference years (2005, 2006 and 2007) as in updates or improvements and again any must have factory options?

What are the performance stats of both cars such as 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile and what does the C6 and Z06 weigh etc.

I see USMcars have a few Corvettes for sale, they any good? However I have also seen if I import a car myself I can save a huge amount of money over buying one from a UK dealer, why such a huge price difference, are the UK deals making so much profit?

Edited by [OcUK]Gibbo on Sunday 27th May 17:04

UK_WS6

3,336 posts

210 months

Sunday 27th May 2007
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2005 saw the start of the C6
basic power 400hp, but more like 430 in reality
C6 Z06 variant (model) rated 505, but then again more closer to 530hp.

Z06 is only available in hard top.
Regular C6 is Convertible or removable roof section.

General opinion is the C6 is not as good looking as the C5,
However the increase in basic power is attracting people.

Several different suspension options,
F55 = magnetic selective ride, ie: chose sport or tour at turn of a switch
Z51 = sport / track type suspension

6 Auto with paddle shift behind steering wheel,for regular or convertible
6 sp manual for Z51 type cars.

Whatever you go for, you will surly be impressed.I almost bought a C6 convertible, however I decided on the last of the C5's
I got the 2004 Commemorative Edition, has all the bells and wistles, has just 64xx miles on the clock.

You must buy over in the Sates, Texas is a cheap car state to buy in.

Godzilla

2,033 posts

255 months

Sunday 27th May 2007
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Well if you have the budget for a Z06, then it is hands down the fastest of the cars on your shortlist! wink

0-60 in 3.7s, 0-100 in 7.9s, 1/4 mile in 11.7 @ 125mph, 198mph Vmax are the commonly quoted figures.

Put it this way, I had the budget to buy the 997 GT3 or 997 TT and I chose the Z06.

It's not the absolute best handling (although I believe it can be made to be via coilovers), but it is the most fun and IMO, the best looking out of the cars you've mentioned.

You can read some owners reports, including mine, here: http://www.auto-journals.com/content/j_corvette.ht...

And evo have tested my Lingenfelter-converted Z06 here: http://evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/205015/l...

It was also voted Fifth Gear's "Best Fast Car 2006".

As for where to buy one, I got mine in Germany after looking on www.mobile.de and it still has a GM 3 year warranty (although no doubt the engine mods may affect the engine side!).

Official UK cars will obviously get full warranty and excellent service from Stratstone.

US cars will have no warranty but will be much cheaper with the current exchange rate.

[OcUK]Gibbo

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3,572 posts

213 months

Monday 28th May 2007
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UK_WS6 said:
2005 saw the start of the C6
basic power 400hp, but more like 430 in reality
C6 Z06 variant (model) rated 505, but then again more closer to 530hp.

Z06 is only available in hard top.
Regular C6 is Convertible or removable roof section.

General opinion is the C6 is not as good looking as the C5,
However the increase in basic power is attracting people.

Several different suspension options,
F55 = magnetic selective ride, ie: chose sport or tour at turn of a switch
Z51 = sport / track type suspension

6 Auto with paddle shift behind steering wheel,for regular or convertible
6 sp manual for Z51 type cars.

Whatever you go for, you will surly be impressed.I almost bought a C6 convertible, however I decided on the last of the C5's
I got the 2004 Commemorative Edition, has all the bells and wistles, has just 64xx miles on the clock.

You must buy over in the Sates, Texas is a cheap car state to buy in.
Hi there

Is the AUTO paddle shift any good? As in could you take a drink of tea between gear changes or is it pretty quick? Is the manual quicker?

On the suspension setup, is the magnetic ride option better over the conventional Z51 package?

What kind of power can one expect out of a C6 with standard bolt-on mods such as CAI, LT Headers, exhaust and remap for UK fuel?

[OcUK]Gibbo

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3,572 posts

213 months

Monday 28th May 2007
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Godzilla said:
Well if you have the budget for a Z06, then it is hands down the fastest of the cars on your shortlist! wink

0-60 in 3.7s, 0-100 in 7.9s, 1/4 mile in 11.7 @ 125mph, 198mph Vmax are the commonly quoted figures.

Put it this way, I had the budget to buy the 997 GT3 or 997 TT and I chose the Z06.

It's not the absolute best handling (although I believe it can be made to be via coilovers), but it is the most fun and IMO, the best looking out of the cars you've mentioned.

You can read some owners reports, including mine, here: http://www.auto-journals.com/content/j_corvette.ht...

And evo have tested my Lingenfelter-converted Z06 here: http://evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/205015/l...

It was also voted Fifth Gear's "Best Fast Car 2006".

As for where to buy one, I got mine in Germany after looking on www.mobile.de and it still has a GM 3 year warranty (although no doubt the engine mods may affect the engine side!).

Official UK cars will obviously get full warranty and excellent service from Stratstone.

US cars will have no warranty but will be much cheaper with the current exchange rate.
I've read all about your car in EVO and its very impressive m8.

How do you find the ride/suspension for motorway journeys, is it bearable?

Also I see you saved money by buying from Germany, did you have to pay VAT/DUTY to bring the car back over and what was the process for doing so etc?

anonymous-user

60 months

Monday 28th May 2007
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[OcUK]Gibbo said:
Is the AUTO paddle shift any good? As in could you take a drink of tea between gear changes or is it pretty quick?
The paddle shift auto is very quick and very smooth. Extremely impressive compared with the 4-speed (which I have at present).

[OcUK]Gibbo said:
Is the manual quicker?
The manual shift is well known for being rather ponderous although drivers get used to it. The transmission has to be pretty chunky to handle all that torque reliably. I found the Z06 has rocket-ship in-gear acceleration but a sluggish change. No doubt that would improve with practice.

[OcUK]Gibbo said:
On the suspension setup, is the magnetic ride option better over the conventional Z51 package?
It's all a question of what you mean by better. The Z51 is fine. F55 gives you the choice of a slightly softer ride at the flick of a switch. Given magnetic ride is quite expensive it may be more cost-effective to ditch the runflat tyres a.s.a.p. and switch to good conventional tyres. This enhances both ride and handling for around £1,000.

Stingray01

148 posts

211 months

Monday 28th May 2007
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Gibbo, been on the german site where you bought yours from. There is a 06 there for 38k euros. Is there anything else that has to be paid like import duties etc. etc.

Thanks.

Jamie

twistedsanity

493 posts

244 months

Monday 28th May 2007
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My firend has a Z06 which ive been in many times, its made me give up trying to make old shitbuckets go fast and start saving my pennies, awesomwe car, 180mph feels like a sunday cruise and comes up so fast you wont believe it, and we completely tore the arse out of a shiney F40 a few days before the gumball rally started, you will not be dissapointed, i think he takes on hyabusas now as most cars arent quick enough to get near it(on the strip obviously)

cjm

529 posts

274 months

Monday 28th May 2007
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I think all the euro spec cars have F55 suspension as standard and the early C6s still had the 4 speed auto?

ParkLane

1,446 posts

218 months

Tuesday 29th May 2007
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All of the Euro/UK spec cars have the Performance Package (aka Z51) as standard, with the option of magnetic ride control.

Magnetic Ride control is optional. For European cars this includes the larger Z51 cross drilled brakes.

All 2005 model year autos are 4 speed (a no cost option instead of 6 speed manual), with the 6 speed paddleshift becoming a cost option in 2006.

James

[OcUK]Gibbo

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3,572 posts

213 months

Tuesday 29th May 2007
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Hi there

OK I've learnt quite a few things over these last few days, so big thanks to all you guys.

My next dilemma is do I import myself one from the USA as the savings seem quite large over buying from Euro car from a UK dealer, it works out cheaper to even buy one from Germany and yes I am including VAT, Duty and shipping in that as well. I work as a purchaser so import a lot of goods, mainly computer based though but it gives me some idea etc.

Fact is though I'd would preferre not to have the hassle of importing my own car if a UK dealer would be willing to do what is a fair price.

I've seen what looks a nice 2005 C6 Z51 manual for sale. Question is are there any major differences between a 2005, 2006 and 2007 Z51 C6 manuals?

I reckon I can just about stretch to a 2005 Z06 or save a bit of money and get a 2005-2007 C6 Z51. What is the score with improving the power on the C6, are there such things as email tunes, handheld programmers, CAI, LT header options etc. Is 500BHP feasable with reliability?


P.S. Is there an easy of telling if a car has the Z51 package or not just by looking? Do Euro/UK cars have the HUD?

Edited by [OcUK]Gibbo on Tuesday 29th May 14:01

ParkLane

1,446 posts

218 months

Tuesday 29th May 2007
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The easiest way to identify a Z51 car is to look at the brakes. If they are drilled then the car is Z51 (generally)
All Euro/UK cars tend to be ordered with the luxury pack, which includes HUD

You have mail.

James

Soop Dogg

411 posts

241 months

Wednesday 30th May 2007
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Godzilla said:
Well if you have the budget for a Z06, then it is hands down the fastest of the cars on your shortlist! wink

0-60 in 3.7s, 0-100 in 7.9s, 1/4 mile in 11.7 @ 125mph, 198mph Vmax are the commonly quoted figures.

Put it this way, I had the budget to buy the 997 GT3 or 997 TT and I chose the Z06.

It's not the absolute best handling (although I believe it can be made to be via coilovers), but it is the most fun and IMO, the best looking out of the cars you've mentioned.

You can read some owners reports, including mine, here: http://www.auto-journals.com/content/j_corvette.ht...

And evo have tested my Lingenfelter-converted Z06 here: http://evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/205015/l...

It was also voted Fifth Gear's "Best Fast Car 2006".

As for where to buy one, I got mine in Germany after looking on www.mobile.de and it still has a GM 3 year warranty (although no doubt the engine mods may affect the engine side!).

Official UK cars will obviously get full warranty and excellent service from Stratstone.

US cars will have no warranty but will be much cheaper with the current exchange rate.
Godzilla,

Was that your Lingenfelter C6 in the corvette club parking area at Silverstone during the FIA GT racing at the start of May?

I took this pic of it. (And heavily altered it to come up with this)

Let me know if you want a high-res copy.


©Brian Duff 2007

Edited by Soop Dogg on Wednesday 30th May 16:11

SOL1D

17 posts

224 months

Wednesday 30th May 2007
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The Z06 at Silverstone belongs to Eric the VetKing. Same engine spec as David's car.

LuS1fer

41,569 posts

251 months

Sunday 3rd June 2007
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After your car I would imagine the C6 Z06 is the only option. Every test I've seen comparing the C6 to a stock Roush Mustang prefers the Mustang (3rd vs 13th on EVO's PCOTY). I'm not knocking the stock C6 but I think it will be an anti-climax after your Mustang. The Z06 is another car and another level. Put it this way, I don't particularly miss my C5 Z06 because the supercharged Stang does everything just as well (apart from brake but as you know that can be remedied). I wouldn't take a stock C6 over your Stang.

I don't know how much has changed but I seem to recall the LS2 has far more restraint and is harder to tune than the LS1/6 computer on the C5 but that was something I read quite a while back.

[OcUK]Gibbo

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3,572 posts

213 months

Sunday 3rd June 2007
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LuS1fer said:
After your car I would imagine the C6 Z06 is the only option. Every test I've seen comparing the C6 to a stock Roush Mustang prefers the Mustang (3rd vs 13th on EVO's PCOTY). I'm not knocking the stock C6 but I think it will be an anti-climax after your Mustang. The Z06 is another car and another level. Put it this way, I don't particularly miss my C5 Z06 because the supercharged Stang does everything just as well (apart from brake but as you know that can be remedied). I wouldn't take a stock C6 over your Stang.

I don't know how much has changed but I seem to recall the LS2 has far more restraint and is harder to tune than the LS1/6 computer on the C5 but that was something I read quite a while back.
Hi m8

Well I test drove a C6 Z51 yesterday. The Z51 has the uprated brakes, larger front and rear anti-roll bars and shorter gearing for better acceleration. Here are my thoughts of the car in comparison to the my Mustang:-

The dealership were really good, very easy going and polite with no pushyness at all. The guy had the car ready with 1/2 a tank of petrol which I was free to use. So we both set off with me driving.

The seating position is good, very good view again just like the Mustang as I was worried about this because you sit lower in the Corvette but it was not an issue. The seats are comfy and supportive but don't hug you like a Porsche 911 or M3 seats do but thankfully due to the low seating position you can't move much anyway.

The interior quality was OK, cheap materials are used but they don't rattle or squeak and it looks pretty good as well. Closing the door felt a little cheap as there was no nice deep thud sound like on the Mustang but I suppose thats down to the Corvette weighing only 1450kg. The car has many toys, satnav, auto dimming mirrors, compass and full digital dash along with heads up display which is simply awsome. The HUD gives you speed, revs, gear, G's your pulling etc. etc. all great stuff.

Now onto driving, well first thing I noticed at low speeds was the steering was way too light, this is a muscle car and I could turn the wheel with my little finger and the steering communicated very little that was going on. At higher speeds it did improve as some electronic gubbin add weight to the steering which does give you more confidence in corners but again the car lacks communication via the steering. I've driven far worse but this is serverly lacking in comparison to the Mustang and S2000. I like weighty steering that is communitive, the Vette has the weight at higher speeds but lacks communication. In the Mustang even small amounts of movement on steering wheel instantly move the car, its very precise and direct as if the steering wheel is directly connected to the wheels just like a go-kart kinda a feeling and with the mods I've done the Mustang has this down to a tee. In the Corvette if you try similar it just weeves in and out slowly and is not quite as precise but does get the job done.

The AUTO in AUTO was boring, very boring, rather good kickdown but my god it was boring. So I promptly put it into sport mode and put the gear changes on the paddles. Now things were greatly improve, throttle response was instant, down changes with more or less instant and up changes took about 1/2 a second. But on the whole the car was much better now, been able to just select the gear I want ready for the corner and then boot it promptly on the exit was great. The car will pull hard in any gear too right from very low RPM which was good with no flat spots at all anywhere in the rev range. I made full use of the 6500rpm limiter.

Handling and grip wise well its clear this is something the Vette is very good at and it certainly has lots of grip. The turn-in is a little lacking due to the above reasons mentioned but once commited to the corner you can really slingshot the car back out the corner and it does it with great confidence. The rear end feels incredibly planted like its on rails, just the front end that feels a little weak. If I could get the steering/precision of the Mustang into the Vette than it would be sublime as the Vette handles superb out back.

What this means is the C6 is a very quick car indeed but its a little uninspiring to drive it fast, basically you end up going very quick and taking corners like Schumacher but you don't really feel that you have earned it as such. The car comforts you too much from the rawness in a way. Now you all probably thinking that I'd most likely be far more happy in an Elise or a GT3 then, well GT3 quite possibly.

Performance wise the Vette is exceptional. Its not got the low-down grunt of the Mustang but past 100 the speedo seems to gather pace just as quick. Remember this was the AUTO/Paddle version, 0-62mph is still 4.3s and 0-100mph in the region of 9.8s so its no slouch. Accelerating from 80mph-120mph in the Vette was over in the blink of an eye. Clearly its low weight and good aero-dynamics make it a very quick car indeed at higher speeds and it feels very stable at those speeds as well, more so than the Mustang. Where is lacks in comparison to the Mustang is acceleration below 100mph. If I boot the Mustang at 30mph in 2nd it feels like you've just put your kidneys in the back seat and all of a sudden have whiplash. Wheras the Vette still accelerates quick but far more civilised. However I'd imagine the Z06 would solve this.

Noise wise, well I was dissapointed, its just too civilised and even verging onto quiet, an M3 CSL sounds loads better. I am sure a better intake along with decent exhaust setup would cure this but still I expected better than this, still tunnels were quite good.

The brakes, well I did not like them and these are uprated. They felt underpowered for the car and the ABS seems to be doing stuff even under gentle braking which I hated. The Mustang leaves ABS until absolute last minute and you can easily brake quick in the Mustang without it kicking in wheras in the Vette I could feeling it adjusting the brakes at all 4 wheels, I want to control the car myself under braking, maybe completely disabling traction control would improve this. So I have to say the brakes look good but they seem to lack overall stopping power.

The car rode better than the Mustang, it was better on bad roads and bumps with the all round double wishbone suspension taking bumps with ease without been too harsh. In fact the car was extremely comfy, easy to do lots of commuting in and was firm enough for sporty driving, but not quite as firm or raw as the Mustang.

So too summarise which was best at what:-

Steering communication = Mustang
Ride comfort = Corvette C6 Z51
Interior accessories = Vette
Interior quality/looks = Mustang
Brakes = Mustang
Low down acceleration (10mph-90mph) = Mustang
Acceleration into 3 digits = Pretty equal here, the Vette really can do 190mph
Driver involvement = Mustang
Rawness = Mustang
Sound = Mustang
Looks = Thats hard one, the Vette is more sporty and sexy wheras the Mustang is an animal. However I think girls will throw their pants at the Vette as we were getting lots of attention, remind me of S2000 days but even more so.
Ability to drive quick easily = Vette
Handling = The Mustang is more involving but I suspect the Vette is the quicker car in the hands of someone who is not a professional. Whereas if driven by Pros the Mustang would no doubt edge it by a fraction.


Will the C6 Z51 replace the Mustang, well not too sure yet. Am gonna test drive a manual version because I preferre that over paddles, I like having a clutch and a stick.

Next weekend the dealer is getting me a Z06 to have a go in or the weekend after so I am rather looking forward to that. If the Z06 has better steering feel I think that will do it for me as the extra power will make up for the low down grunt the C6 did not have. Plus hopefully the Z06 will be that little more rawer and I preferre that as the C6 really was a little to soft/comfy for my liking.

Also need to pay a visit to the Porsche dealership one weekend too and have a play in a GT3 and Turbo.

Don't think I've missed anything out, but if so just ask as I spent over an hour driving the car on dual carriage ways, country lanes and towns whilst making full use of the 1/2 tank fuel I had.

Obviously you guys might be thinking why I think the Mustang was better, well do remember my Mustang is far from standard. Its a Saleen and its had a lot done to it. Supercharger and now producing 530BHP, Shelby GT500 brakes and lots of Steeda handling goodies, hence why its rather good.

LuS1fer

41,569 posts

251 months

Sunday 3rd June 2007
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If the C6 is the same as the C5 Z06 you should be able to disable the TC and slip it into unfettered performance mode as this makes the car a lot better. Then again, the C5 Z06 is a smidge lighter, faster and better handling than the C6 (the fact it looks better goes without saying but I said it anyway). wink

[OcUK]Gibbo

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3,572 posts

213 months

Sunday 3rd June 2007
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LuS1fer said:
If the C6 is the same as the C5 Z06 you should be able to disable the TC and slip it into unfettered performance mode as this makes the car a lot better. Then again, the C5 Z06 is a smidge lighter, faster and better handling than the C6 (the fact it looks better goes without saying but I said it anyway). wink
Hi there

Yeah disabling the TC might have helped with the intrusive ABS system. Still the steering was a big let down and hence why maybe GM have said it will be improved on the 08 new model C6.

Looked into performance mods on the C6 and unfortanetly the engine is not as easy to tune as previous C5 models. You can get about 450-460BHP with CAI, LT headers and exhaust along with tune. Closer to 500 takes some cams and other fettling.

I am hoping the Z06 improves the steering feel over the C6 because that will do it for me. Think the problem is I've done so much to the Stang and got it to a state where it drives so well. The steering is like that off a go-kart and as good if not better than my S2000 was, needless to say the C6 was miles off this. Hopefully the Z06 will be better because apart from that the Vette was a very nice car and I actually preferre the looks off the C6 over the C5. Not into pop up headlights myself.

ERIKTHEVETKING

434 posts

221 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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Hey Soop Dogg,

Nice pic of the rear end of my car ... thanks. smokin



Edited by ERIKTHEVETKING on Monday 4th June 01:13

ringram

14,700 posts

254 months

Monday 4th June 2007
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Yes early model (ie) 05 C6's had the same ECM as the LS2 holdens etc, which is easy to tune, the E40. The engines are the same so will have the same power potential, which is better than the LS1/6's due to extra displacement etc.

The newer models use an E38 ECM which does not have a volumetric efficency table. In semi laymans terms, old skool manifold pressure fueling is now handled by 3rd order polynomial simultaneuos equations! Your run of the mill engine mech isnt going to get to grips with that in a hurry. However it wont be too long before someone writes a tool to calculate the values. Moves are already afoot.

In the meantime its MAF based fueling to the fore and low output supercharging..