Number Plates New Legislation
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As some of you know I was a part time boy in blue and I still keep in touch with my old officers.
The other day I was talking to one and he told me that there is new legislation regarding number plates, missing or incorrect number plates ie spacing or distorted characters will now warrant three points on your license and a higher fine of £60.00.
And the worst part is they will probably be issued by computer using the ANPR system which if it can read your plate and work out the number can just send you a nip in the post.
So watch it, guess the 52 car will get a proper set of plates.
The other day I was talking to one and he told me that there is new legislation regarding number plates, missing or incorrect number plates ie spacing or distorted characters will now warrant three points on your license and a higher fine of £60.00.
And the worst part is they will probably be issued by computer using the ANPR system which if it can read your plate and work out the number can just send you a nip in the post.
So watch it, guess the 52 car will get a proper set of plates.
viper paul said:
The other day I was talking to one and he told me that there is new legislation regarding number plates, missing or incorrect number plates ie spacing or distorted characters will now warrant three points on your license and a higher fine of £60.00.
Seriously?
How petty can you get.
Distorted characters is one thing I guess, but spacing? Have they not get better things to worry about?
funnily enough got tugged last night
followed from Highgate - to swiss cottage, before the lights came on
Do you know why i stopped you ?
er no
BIB: "When you passed us (8mins before) i noticed yr front number plate looked too small"
Me: Actually under the DVLA regulations, since the vehicle is from outside of the EU, it doesn't have to comply to the standard UK plate - blah blah"
BIB: "Oh - ok then - keep it slow then"
He was OK really - just a pain in the ass that I had to drive at 33mph the whole way - whilst cars in front of me where canning it
The obvious reason behind this is because of ANPR.
No point in rolling out Congestion Charging across the country if they can't fine you because they couldn't read your plate...
How long before chewing gum/nodding your head in time to music/yawning/picking your nose behind the wheel are all worthy of points and a fine?
No point in rolling out Congestion Charging across the country if they can't fine you because they couldn't read your plate...
How long before chewing gum/nodding your head in time to music/yawning/picking your nose behind the wheel are all worthy of points and a fine?
Read in the local paper last night they have issued 2,700 x £30 fines in Derbyshire in the last year for using a mobile in a car whilst driving. This is going up to £60 and 3 points soon too.
It seems to me the gov't have a cunning plan to ease congestion by removing a large number of drivers who have dodgy number plates or use their phones whilst driving.......perhaps they will also issue 3 points to the woman I followed this morning in traffic who spent about 5 minutes doing her hair with both hands as the traffic stop - started.
It seems to me the gov't have a cunning plan to ease congestion by removing a large number of drivers who have dodgy number plates or use their phones whilst driving.......perhaps they will also issue 3 points to the woman I followed this morning in traffic who spent about 5 minutes doing her hair with both hands as the traffic stop - started.
woof said:
Me: Actually under the DVLA regulations, since the vehicle is from outside of the EU, it doesn't have to comply to the standard UK plate - blah blah"
I'm intrigued, tell me more of this potential loophole.
Got nailed on way back from Le Mans and fined by the French plod - I did get warned at the docks but just smiled and roared off. So are US cars not required to show front plates in the UK?
Non EU vehicles that do not have an appropriate mounting space for a normal size plate "may" be allowed to
from ifc63 post Wednesday 11th October 2006
This is what I referred to when I fitted the smaller type plates to my Camaro, but this didn't originally have room for full size UK plates.
from the DVLA websie:
"Display of Vehicle Registration Marks on Imported Vehicles
(which have a restricted space for a standard sized number plate)
Certain imported vehicles may be permitted to display number plates with smaller characters if:
The vehicle does not have European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval
AND
The vehicle's construction/design cannot accommodate standard size number plates
Specifications for smaller sized plates (for certain imported vehicles)
Character Height 64mm
Character Width 44mm
Character Stroke 10mm
Space between characters 10mm "
although i'm using a plastic sticker with a type size of 40mm height - but it's been good enough to get away with it enough times - to be honest BIB are only stopping me coz they're bored or whatever
viper paul said:
And the worst part is they will probably be issued by computer using the ANPR system which if it can read your plate and work out the number can just send you a nip in the post.
... err if the plate can be read by the ANPR, then surely the whole point about distorted / small letters (etc.) is out of the window, as the computer could recognize them...
What legislation does this come under and when was the amendment and enactment as I can't find it (nothing new in that, believe me). There is a very menacing Road Safety Act 2006 hovering in the wings which has some welcome and unwelcome facets to it (including changing the current failure to provide the identity of the driver from 3 points to 6 points!) but I don't think that has had a commencement date put on it yet. I can't find anything in the quagmire of motoring law or that Act that has implemented any change to the number plate provisions bar a fine (under the Vehicle Excvise & Registration Act).
Can you ask your mates for the reference and when it comes into force? Cheers.
The trouble with this Government is it keeps passing Acts which contain everything from murder to possession of Weetabix so it gets harder and harder to find what you want in one place.
Can you ask your mates for the reference and when it comes into force? Cheers.
The trouble with this Government is it keeps passing Acts which contain everything from murder to possession of Weetabix so it gets harder and harder to find what you want in one place.
I think someone is pulling your pis**r mate as the legislation hasnt changed as far as I know, yes, there are plans to tighten up on reg nos due to the misreads on ANPR but it will be getting dealt with under the current regs. So,unless something has changed and we have not been told about it then please let me know as i am always willing to learn.
Stefluc
Stefluc
Not pulling anything either bloke in my local car shop when I needed a set of plates told me exactly the same thing not law yet but will be on the statue book by the end of this year.
And as for ANPR well if the computer cant read it not much trouble to print it for a human to work out and push the Nip button.
And to be honest is anyone that surprised, lets face it the criminals are getting richer and the honest poorer.
And as for ANPR well if the computer cant read it not much trouble to print it for a human to work out and push the Nip button.
And to be honest is anyone that surprised, lets face it the criminals are getting richer and the honest poorer.
I was also told by a cop that this legislation was coming in later this year. I don't have a front plate for my car and he was most understanding - he said himself that it was unfortunate that it must have recently "fallen off." (Didn't have a tax disc either as without a roof it'll just get nicked if I leave it on the car.)
Sorry for the long post but here's an extract I copied before I got back to UK
This gets us off the hoof for a 12x6 US sized plate.
2002 No. 2687
ROAD TRAFFIC
The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) (Amendment) Regulations 2002
Made 24th October 2002
Laid before Parliament 1st November 2002
Coming into force 22nd November 2002
The Secretary of State for Transport, in exercise of the powers conferred by sections 23(3) and (4) and 57 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994[1] hereby makes the following Regulations:
Citation and commencement
1. These Regulations may be cited as the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) (Amendment) Regulations 2002 and shall come into force on 22nd November 2002.
Amendment of Regulations
2. The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001[2] shall be amended in accordance with the following provisions of these Regulations.
Further requirements for registration plates
3. In regulation 11, after paragraph (1), insert the following paragraph -
" (1A) The surface of a registration plate must not comprise or incorporate any design, pattern or texture, or be treated in any way which gives to any part of the plate the appearance of a design, pattern or texture.".
Interpretation of provisions relating to registration marks
4. In regulation 12 (interpretation of Part III), in paragraph (1), in sub-paragraph (d), after "character height" ", insert ", except in relation to a vehicle to which regulation 14A applies,".
Size and spacing of characters
5. - (1) In regulation 14 (size and spacing of characters) -
(a) in paragraph (1), after "and (3)", insert "and regulation 14A";
(b) in paragraphs (4) and (5), for "The", substitute "Subject to regulation 14A, the";
(c) in paragaph (6), after "paragraph (11)", insert "or regulation 14A";
(d) in paragraphs (7) to (9), for "The", substitute "Subject to regulation 14A, the".
(2) After regulation 14, insert the following regulation -
" Size and spacing of characters: special cases
14A. - (1) This regulation applies in relation to any vehicle imported into the United Kingdom which -
(a) does not have European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval; and
(b) is so constructed that the area available for the fixing of the registration plate precludes the display on the plate of a registration mark in conformity with the requirements of regulation 14.
(2) In relation to a vehicle to which this regulation applies -
(a) each character in the registration mark must be 64 millimetres high;
(b) the width of each character of the mark, other than the letter "I" and the figure "1", must be 44 millimetres;
(c) the width of every part of the stroke forming a character in a mark must be 10 millimetres;
(d) the spacing between any two characters within a group must be 10 millimetres;
(e) the vertical spacing between groups of characters must be 5 millimetres;
(f) the width of a margin between the mark and the top and lateral sides of the registration plate must be not less than 5 millimetres;
(g) the space between the bottom of the mark and the bottom of the registration plate must be not less than 13 millimetres; but, within that space, the space between the bottom of the mark and the top of the name and postcode of the person by whom the plate was supplied must be not less than 5 millimetres."[3]
Signed by authority of the Secretary of State for Transport.
David Jamieson
Parliamentary Under Secretary of State, Department for Transport
24th October 2002
______________________________...
EXPLANATORY NOTE
(This note is not part of the Regulations)
These Regulations amend the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 ("the 2001 Regulations".
Regulation 3 amends regulation 11 of the 2001 Regulations. The effect of the amendment is to prohibit the use of a number plate on which the background is patterned or textured, or gives that appearance.
Regulation 4 amends regulation 12 of the 2001 Regulations. The effect of the amendment is that references in Part III of those Regulations (including Table B in Part 3 of Schedule 3) to "relevant character height" do not apply in relation to a vehicle to which regulation 14A applies.
Regulation 5 amends regulation 14 of the 2001 Regulations and inserts a new regulation 14A.
The effect of the amendments to regulation 14 is that the requirements of that regulation, which deals with the size and spacing of characters in a registration mark, do not apply in relation to vehicles to which regulation 14A applies.
New regulation 14A makes special provision in relation to the size and spacing of characters in the registration mark of certain imported vehicles.
______________________________...
Notes:
[1] 1994 c. 22.back
[2] S.I. 2001/561, amended by S.I. 2001/1079.back
[3] As to European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval, see Council Directive 70/156/EEC on the approximation of the laws of the Member States relating to the type-approval of motor vehicles and their trailers (O.J. L No. 42, 23.2.70, p. 1), as last amended by Council Directive 98/14/EC (O.J. L No. 91, 25.3.98, p. 1). See also regulation 11 of the Motor Vehicle (EC Type Approval) Regulations 1998 (S.I. 1998/2051).back
This gets us off the hoof for a 12x6 US sized plate.
2002 No. 2687
ROAD TRAFFIC
The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) (Amendment) Regulations 2002
Made 24th October 2002
Laid before Parliament 1st November 2002
Coming into force 22nd November 2002
The Secretary of State for Transport, in exercise of the powers conferred by sections 23(3) and (4) and 57 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994[1] hereby makes the following Regulations:
Citation and commencement
1. These Regulations may be cited as the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) (Amendment) Regulations 2002 and shall come into force on 22nd November 2002.
Amendment of Regulations
2. The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001[2] shall be amended in accordance with the following provisions of these Regulations.
Further requirements for registration plates
3. In regulation 11, after paragraph (1), insert the following paragraph -
" (1A) The surface of a registration plate must not comprise or incorporate any design, pattern or texture, or be treated in any way which gives to any part of the plate the appearance of a design, pattern or texture.".
Interpretation of provisions relating to registration marks
4. In regulation 12 (interpretation of Part III), in paragraph (1), in sub-paragraph (d), after "character height" ", insert ", except in relation to a vehicle to which regulation 14A applies,".
Size and spacing of characters
5. - (1) In regulation 14 (size and spacing of characters) -
(a) in paragraph (1), after "and (3)", insert "and regulation 14A";
(b) in paragraphs (4) and (5), for "The", substitute "Subject to regulation 14A, the";
(c) in paragaph (6), after "paragraph (11)", insert "or regulation 14A";
(d) in paragraphs (7) to (9), for "The", substitute "Subject to regulation 14A, the".
(2) After regulation 14, insert the following regulation -
" Size and spacing of characters: special cases
14A. - (1) This regulation applies in relation to any vehicle imported into the United Kingdom which -
(a) does not have European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval; and
(b) is so constructed that the area available for the fixing of the registration plate precludes the display on the plate of a registration mark in conformity with the requirements of regulation 14.
(2) In relation to a vehicle to which this regulation applies -
(a) each character in the registration mark must be 64 millimetres high;
(b) the width of each character of the mark, other than the letter "I" and the figure "1", must be 44 millimetres;
(c) the width of every part of the stroke forming a character in a mark must be 10 millimetres;
(d) the spacing between any two characters within a group must be 10 millimetres;
(e) the vertical spacing between groups of characters must be 5 millimetres;
(f) the width of a margin between the mark and the top and lateral sides of the registration plate must be not less than 5 millimetres;
(g) the space between the bottom of the mark and the bottom of the registration plate must be not less than 13 millimetres; but, within that space, the space between the bottom of the mark and the top of the name and postcode of the person by whom the plate was supplied must be not less than 5 millimetres."[3]
Signed by authority of the Secretary of State for Transport.
David Jamieson
Parliamentary Under Secretary of State, Department for Transport
24th October 2002
______________________________...
EXPLANATORY NOTE
(This note is not part of the Regulations)
These Regulations amend the Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001 ("the 2001 Regulations".
Regulation 3 amends regulation 11 of the 2001 Regulations. The effect of the amendment is to prohibit the use of a number plate on which the background is patterned or textured, or gives that appearance.
Regulation 4 amends regulation 12 of the 2001 Regulations. The effect of the amendment is that references in Part III of those Regulations (including Table B in Part 3 of Schedule 3) to "relevant character height" do not apply in relation to a vehicle to which regulation 14A applies.
Regulation 5 amends regulation 14 of the 2001 Regulations and inserts a new regulation 14A.
The effect of the amendments to regulation 14 is that the requirements of that regulation, which deals with the size and spacing of characters in a registration mark, do not apply in relation to vehicles to which regulation 14A applies.
New regulation 14A makes special provision in relation to the size and spacing of characters in the registration mark of certain imported vehicles.
______________________________...
Notes:
[1] 1994 c. 22.back
[2] S.I. 2001/561, amended by S.I. 2001/1079.back
[3] As to European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval, see Council Directive 70/156/EEC on the approximation of the laws of the Member States relating to the type-approval of motor vehicles and their trailers (O.J. L No. 42, 23.2.70, p. 1), as last amended by Council Directive 98/14/EC (O.J. L No. 91, 25.3.98, p. 1). See also regulation 11 of the Motor Vehicle (EC Type Approval) Regulations 1998 (S.I. 1998/2051).back
woof said:
funnily enough got tugged last night
followed from Highgate - to swiss cottage, before the lights came on
Do you know why i stopped you ?
er no
BIB: "When you passed us (8mins before) i noticed yr front number plate looked too small"
So; crime in that area is so low that the police can ignore the surroundings - and tunnelvision in to your front license plate ???
have to accept that bored BIB will take pleasure in tailing a yellow corvette
I went through a period of being tugged 3 /4 times a week coming home late from london in the 930 - i actually thought i must of been on a stop list for a while - so starting driving the mini for a few months instead.
woof said:
funnily enough got tugged last night
followed from Highgate - to swiss cottage, before the lights came on
Do you know why i stopped you ?
er no
BIB: "When you passed us (8mins before) i noticed yr front number plate looked too small"
Me: Actually under the DVLA regulations, since the vehicle is from outside of the EU, it doesn't have to comply to the standard UK plate - blah blah"
BIB: "Oh - ok then - keep it slow then"
He was OK really - just a pain in the ass that I had to drive at 33mph the whole way - whilst cars in front of me where canning it
Ditto,
I also got that front plate was too small.
Also it was under my seat,
Also he wasnt to impressed wit the M.A.S.H. font on the rear.
30.00 ticket to the ball.
Also,
it's still too small,
also still under my seat,
Mash still rules.
30.00 is cheaper that any speeding fine 'cos they got you from an overhead bridge on the motorway,
Mike Mercury said:
So; crime in that area is so low that the police can ignore the surroundings - and tunnelvision in to your front license plate ???
Its the same here. They are having a major crackdown on it. Basically unless it is totally standard, fines are flying.
AND !! Dont forget, 3 strikes and your out. ?? Whats this ? Well, if you have a fancy plate, that you paid ££££ for. and it is being used incorrectly. ie non-standard lettering etc to make it read something else, or a word. Caught 3 times, they can and will remove the plate from you.
When "buying" a plate, you are only paying for the right to display that plate. You do not OWN it. They can remove that right.
Police here have said, that if the ANPR cant nab you., then it will be processed manually....and then you will be punished because of that, because the plate was also illegal.
It has been discussed on local forums, and some of the police there really went off on one, about how important no plates are in identifying cars that may have committed crimes etc
Serious crock of sh1t of course, but a sad reflection on the times we live in, when the plice want to prosecute people for petty offences, instead of cracking down on actual crime.
Worst part is, its the government forcing these moves, by passing new legislation nearly every other week that nobody knows about.
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