EU proposals - enjoy your Vette while you can!
Discussion
By 2012 the EU proposes the average across a manufacturer's range of cars should be CO2 emissions of 130 g/km. Current figures are,
Range Rover (supercharged) - 370 g/km
Corvette Z06 - 350 g/km
BMW X5 4.8 - 324 g/km
Corvette C6 - 310 g/km
Porsche Boxster - 250 g/km
Lotus Elise - 200 g/km
1.6 diesel Focus - 130 g/km
Toyota Aygo - 110 g/km
Combine this with graduated road tax plus introduction of graduated congestion charges across much of the UK and the future does not look very bright for our Vettes. Those of us old enough to remember 1973 (hem, hem) will recall the days when an E-type Jag was yesterday's news and the Jensen Interceptor became an instant dynosaur.
So enjoy it while you can!
Range Rover (supercharged) - 370 g/km
Corvette Z06 - 350 g/km
BMW X5 4.8 - 324 g/km
Corvette C6 - 310 g/km
Porsche Boxster - 250 g/km
Lotus Elise - 200 g/km
1.6 diesel Focus - 130 g/km
Toyota Aygo - 110 g/km
Combine this with graduated road tax plus introduction of graduated congestion charges across much of the UK and the future does not look very bright for our Vettes. Those of us old enough to remember 1973 (hem, hem) will recall the days when an E-type Jag was yesterday's news and the Jensen Interceptor became an instant dynosaur.
So enjoy it while you can!
vetteheadracer said:
They won't be able to apply this retrospectively.
Charging as you go also won't work. I will worry about it if it ever happens, but to be honest we all know it won't.
Charging as you go also won't work. I will worry about it if it ever happens, but to be honest we all know it won't.
I think charging as you go is going to happen - in the uk at least. I doubt it will use the much talked about GPS tracker system but may well involve ANPR which has very nearly been rolled outy nation wide.....even the single track country lanes have it around here now.
On the subject of road charging - if you havnt signed it yet the sign the petition!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re road charging
Classic labour spin - suggest something draconian - everyone protests against it - then they introduce a slighty less painful option - we all rejoice about defeating the government and they get the plan the actually originally wanted !
In fact Road pricing based on mileage could be a good thing (well for me)
I have 3 cars - the 930 only does a few 1000 miles a year - so more than likely i'll be paying less
woof said:
In fact Road pricing based on mileage could be a good thing (well for me)
Until you realise that the cost of all your goods and services has risen as a result. Labour have already spent billions just investigating the concept and developing new technologies that many feel will never get implemented. Let's face it, if the government are behind it, one way or another it's going to end up costing everyone more money I'm afraid.
woof said:
Re road charging
Classic labour spin - suggest something draconian - everyone protests against it - then they introduce a slighty less painful option - we all rejoice about defeating the government and they get the plan the actually originally wanted !
In fact Road pricing based on mileage could be a good thing (well for me)
I have 3 cars - the 930 only does a few 1000 miles a year - so more than likely i'll be paying less
That is assuming this replaces car tax which knowing the government it won't, this will be an additional tax.
woof said:
In fact Road pricing based on mileage could be a good thing (well for me)
We already have road pricing based on mileage - its that maassive amount of duty and vat we pay on fuel and also, unlike the gov's new idea it also takes into account what type of car you drive- drive a thirsty car - use more fuel - pay more tax - simple really.
goto http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/
Edited by Gixer on Friday 9th February 17:25
Tax disc reminders arrived from DVLA for our cars today. Strange but true, the 5.7 litre Vette is £175 but my wife's 2 litre convertible is higher at £190! The old C5 looks better very day. 
Here's the table for 12 month car licence if car first registered before 1 March 2001,
Engine capacity up to 1550cc - £110
Engine capacity over 1550cc - £175
If petrol car first registered after 1 March 2001,
Up to 100 g/km - £nil
101-120 g/km - £40
121-150 g/km - £100
151-165 g/km - £125
166-185 g/km - £150
Over 185 g/km - £190
Over 210 g/km - £210 [new cars registered after 23 March 2006]
Here's the table for 12 month car licence if car first registered before 1 March 2001,
Engine capacity up to 1550cc - £110
Engine capacity over 1550cc - £175
If petrol car first registered after 1 March 2001,
Up to 100 g/km - £nil
101-120 g/km - £40
121-150 g/km - £100
151-165 g/km - £125
166-185 g/km - £150
Over 185 g/km - £190
Over 210 g/km - £210 [new cars registered after 23 March 2006]
I don't know why the government doesn't just go for the cheapest option: put the price on petrol.
It's not the point that there's already loads of tax anyway, but surely the cheaper option - which doesn't need computers, systems and guarantees fairness based on size of engine *and* miles travelled - is to do this.
Instead of course, the govt will go for a more elaborate solution, costing billions, greasing the palms of donating companies and chums, and still put some extra taxes onto the fuel.
Oh well. The only thing to keep me sane is the thought that I know of no country that's any different...
It's not the point that there's already loads of tax anyway, but surely the cheaper option - which doesn't need computers, systems and guarantees fairness based on size of engine *and* miles travelled - is to do this.
Instead of course, the govt will go for a more elaborate solution, costing billions, greasing the palms of donating companies and chums, and still put some extra taxes onto the fuel.
Oh well. The only thing to keep me sane is the thought that I know of no country that's any different...
Commie bastards! 
This has been coming for years. Basically, any reason for living in the passionate guise of a free man with all the liberties such a thing should entail (like no speed limits on the land of Norfolk) is being gradually eroded by a legion of unelected, broadly totalitarianist luddite for whom the automotive phallus is the symbolic enemy.
Literally, the day we are forced from our performance cars is the day Sharp and all his finest rifles are let loose upon this rancid shower.
DOGS! 
vetteheadracer said:
I have been advocating they scrap car tax and also scrap the proposed road charging schemes.
Fuel tax is the most fair and also the most tax efficient revenue earner for the gov't.
Fuel tax is the most fair and also the most tax efficient revenue earner for the gov't.
Spot on, eradicates road tax dodgers at a stroke as well. However I have a feeling that all the proposals relating to black boes in cars, id cards and cameras on every street corner are for the purposes of controlling the masses. The fact that they can screw a few more pennies (if only just pennies!) out of us all is a bonus. Those who cry, if you are innocent then you've nothing to worry about, should take note of the numbers of wrongfull arrests (and subsequent incarceration), the ability of the law to detain and hold individuals without charge for as long as they like (under the guise of anti-terrorism) and a multitude of other quite worrying powers.
Phil
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