Parking fines from private company
Discussion
Just curious about this one.
The scenario is, pop to the supermarket and you park in either a bay for the disabled or for parent and child but you meet neither criteria for parking there.
I'm not getting into should you / shouldn't you, that's for your own moral compass to judge.
What I am interested in is, how can a private company issue a "fine" against a private citizen for parking there?
It's not a parking offence as it's not illegal to park there as it is private property and not a public road / carpark.
Also, for either type of space. Is it not discriminatory against able bodied or childless people not being allowed to park there? Not so inclusive of everyone no matter what is it?
The scenario is, pop to the supermarket and you park in either a bay for the disabled or for parent and child but you meet neither criteria for parking there.
I'm not getting into should you / shouldn't you, that's for your own moral compass to judge.
What I am interested in is, how can a private company issue a "fine" against a private citizen for parking there?
It's not a parking offence as it's not illegal to park there as it is private property and not a public road / carpark.
Also, for either type of space. Is it not discriminatory against able bodied or childless people not being allowed to park there? Not so inclusive of everyone no matter what is it?
Tye Green said:
private companies can't issue fines.
they issue 'parking charge notices' either by placing a ticket on your windscreen hoping the driver will cough up or by seeking the keeper details from DVLA then sending a speculative invoice to the keeper hoping that the keeper will pay.
they try to make their parking charge notices look official and use bully / threatening tactics to persuade the driver / keeper to pay up. this often works because the general public are largely ignorant of the legal position and get concerned about the cost of defending the charge. most of the tickets are, ultimately, unenforceable.
more details on pepipoo web site
That's what I was thinking too. Nice to see I'm not mad in thinking so.they issue 'parking charge notices' either by placing a ticket on your windscreen hoping the driver will cough up or by seeking the keeper details from DVLA then sending a speculative invoice to the keeper hoping that the keeper will pay.
they try to make their parking charge notices look official and use bully / threatening tactics to persuade the driver / keeper to pay up. this often works because the general public are largely ignorant of the legal position and get concerned about the cost of defending the charge. most of the tickets are, ultimately, unenforceable.
more details on pepipoo web site
Also, "they" shouldn't be allowed to obtain keeper details from the DVLA, as they aren't the law.
Hol said:
Tough s
t. You don’t make the rules.
My mother is disabled and I’d like to point out your obvious centre of the universe complex if you think life’s niceties only apply to other people.
The fact that you looking for excuses make it worse.
Ok, OK unbunch those panties!t. You don’t make the rules.My mother is disabled and I’d like to point out your obvious centre of the universe complex if you think life’s niceties only apply to other people.
The fact that you looking for excuses make it worse.
Anyone can make up whatever rules they want, but can they be enforced legally was my question.
As to parking there whether you should or shouldn't is down to (as I stated) the individual's moral compass.
I certainly did not say I do it, or have any sort of importance complex.
BTW my father was disabled too, before he passed away recently. So what's your point?
Don't be so quick to judge other people's circumstances. Numbnuts
SuperPav said:
Ignoring the OP's moral compass for a second....
The reason they can "fine" you as you put it, is that they're not fining you, but you enter into a contract when you park on their private land. The terms of the contract are what binds you, and when they issue you a charge or claim, it's because you're in breach of the contract.
If they follow the necessary rules when enforcing the terms of the contract, then you need to pay, or go to court and fight it out there.
If their contract/terms and conditions for allowing you to park (for free or for a charge) state that e.g. only blue badge holders can park in a disabled bay, or only parents with children can park in parent and child spaces, or only EV's are allowed in EV spaces, then that is the terms you need to respect.
If you don't like those terms, you can park somewhere else, although if you think the council (who CAN issue genuine fines/penalties) will be any more lenient with regards to your hypothetical occupation of a disabled bay, I think you'll find yourself disappointed
I'm loving all the assumptions relating to my position on this.The reason they can "fine" you as you put it, is that they're not fining you, but you enter into a contract when you park on their private land. The terms of the contract are what binds you, and when they issue you a charge or claim, it's because you're in breach of the contract.
If they follow the necessary rules when enforcing the terms of the contract, then you need to pay, or go to court and fight it out there.
If their contract/terms and conditions for allowing you to park (for free or for a charge) state that e.g. only blue badge holders can park in a disabled bay, or only parents with children can park in parent and child spaces, or only EV's are allowed in EV spaces, then that is the terms you need to respect.
If you don't like those terms, you can park somewhere else, although if you think the council (who CAN issue genuine fines/penalties) will be any more lenient with regards to your hypothetical occupation of a disabled bay, I think you'll find yourself disappointed
Something I did not state in the original post. merely asked a question regarding the legality of enforcing fines / charges.
As to the contract idea, I see your point, and if clearly stated then it's up to the individual if they choose to abide by the terms, or not and face any consequences for their actions. But, if not clearly signposted only implied that would be an interesting scenario.
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