RE: Go to jail, do not pass Go
Wednesday 10th April 2002
Go to jail, do not pass Go
Govt plans harsher sentencing for offenders on the roads
Discussion
I just wonder how long it wil be before so many people get banned that everyone just ignores the bans and carries on driving anyway?
Just imagine, all those people (wasn't a figure of something like 3 million a YEAR being banned mentioned when they talked about increasing the number of cameras and convictions (as an aside - is that still the plan)).
And since when have they had the right to confiscate your property - how come drug-dealers get to keep their houses and profits, but you speed and your car gets taken away?? Absolutely mad - talk about a sledge hammer to crack a nut.
Its just the law of diminishing returns coming into play. For the most crowded road space we already have the lowest (European) rate of accidents and they're complaining because the rate of reduction in serious accidents has slowed down and they think they feel the need to be seen to be doing something. How to lose the respect of the populace in one easy lesson. When will they realise that most speed limits outside of urban areas are artificially low - raise them to be in line with the cpabilities of the modern car and you wont see a glut of accidents. The majority of people drive to a level at which they feel in control - the idiots will crash no matter what the speed limit or penalties. Dangerous Driving is sufficient - and lets have that as INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!
This is what you get when you put lawyers in charge of the country - it should be a pre-requisite that any potential MP, local councillor (sp?) has had nothing whatever to do with the legtal profession - watch normality return then.
Right, I'm off to smoke some cameras!
Just imagine, all those people (wasn't a figure of something like 3 million a YEAR being banned mentioned when they talked about increasing the number of cameras and convictions (as an aside - is that still the plan)).
And since when have they had the right to confiscate your property - how come drug-dealers get to keep their houses and profits, but you speed and your car gets taken away?? Absolutely mad - talk about a sledge hammer to crack a nut.
Its just the law of diminishing returns coming into play. For the most crowded road space we already have the lowest (European) rate of accidents and they're complaining because the rate of reduction in serious accidents has slowed down and they think they feel the need to be seen to be doing something. How to lose the respect of the populace in one easy lesson. When will they realise that most speed limits outside of urban areas are artificially low - raise them to be in line with the cpabilities of the modern car and you wont see a glut of accidents. The majority of people drive to a level at which they feel in control - the idiots will crash no matter what the speed limit or penalties. Dangerous Driving is sufficient - and lets have that as INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!
This is what you get when you put lawyers in charge of the country - it should be a pre-requisite that any potential MP, local councillor (sp?) has had nothing whatever to do with the legtal profession - watch normality return then.
Right, I'm off to smoke some cameras!
: it's incredible the things the police do without taking account of the laws 
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"Automatic" means judges won't have discretion...Scary though the thought may be. When the headbangers are in charge of making the laws - the judges are the population's last defence against them. They "interpret" the law and sentence according to the severity of the offence. They might make a pig's ear of this sometimes - but generally its a good thing.
Once they have no discretion and must jail you they will have no option but to implement whatever nonsense Westminster thinks is PC today.
Once you're guilty until proven innocent for speeding and they have to jail you....
Sounds ridiculous now doesn't it. Won't be when it arrives. Remember this come the time ladies and gentlemen.
Once they have no discretion and must jail you they will have no option but to implement whatever nonsense Westminster thinks is PC today.
Once you're guilty until proven innocent for speeding and they have to jail you....
Sounds ridiculous now doesn't it. Won't be when it arrives. Remember this come the time ladies and gentlemen.
Lads, me and few of the mates were thinking of mounting an old invasion.
Seeing as the advance party seems to have London in the bag, we should have somewhere where we can get a decent pint. We were thinking of overthrowing Blair and replacing him with Dana or Perhaps Terry Wogan. Trouble is, the old Hiace is capable of 25mph. We're afraid we mightn't get past Wales at the rate things are going. Maybe we should leave it until the summer when all ye are over queing up to kiss the Blarney Stone and drinking us out of tea. Then we could slip in and turn the houses of parliment into a hurling pitch and grow shamrock on Blair's lawn. Reminds me of the time we rang up Saddam Hussain to tell him we were coming over to Iraq to sort him out.
"Well Saddam" said Sean, "Meself and a few of the lads have got ourselves a pitchfork and were coming over to bust yer snot !" "My army is 2 million strong !!" Saddam says. After a short chat with the lads, Sean says "Right, we've counted our money up and if we only have 40 pints each this weekend we can just about afford a big stick with a nail in the end." "Bring it on !: said Saddam "I have 5000 warplanes in my airforce". Again Sean confers with the lads "Right ye little fecker, we're only having 20 pints each this weekend and we're going to buy some pickaxe handles. "You foolish infidels"
says Saddam, "My navy has a fleet of over 1000 warships !". Sean turns to the lads for a quick chat and returns to Saddam "Right, the invasion's off . We can find space for the army and the airforce but there's no way we'll fit 1000 captured Warships in Dun Laoghaire."
Seeing as the advance party seems to have London in the bag, we should have somewhere where we can get a decent pint. We were thinking of overthrowing Blair and replacing him with Dana or Perhaps Terry Wogan. Trouble is, the old Hiace is capable of 25mph. We're afraid we mightn't get past Wales at the rate things are going. Maybe we should leave it until the summer when all ye are over queing up to kiss the Blarney Stone and drinking us out of tea. Then we could slip in and turn the houses of parliment into a hurling pitch and grow shamrock on Blair's lawn. Reminds me of the time we rang up Saddam Hussain to tell him we were coming over to Iraq to sort him out.
"Well Saddam" said Sean, "Meself and a few of the lads have got ourselves a pitchfork and were coming over to bust yer snot !" "My army is 2 million strong !!" Saddam says. After a short chat with the lads, Sean says "Right, we've counted our money up and if we only have 40 pints each this weekend we can just about afford a big stick with a nail in the end." "Bring it on !: said Saddam "I have 5000 warplanes in my airforce". Again Sean confers with the lads "Right ye little fecker, we're only having 20 pints each this weekend and we're going to buy some pickaxe handles. "You foolish infidels"
says Saddam, "My navy has a fleet of over 1000 warships !". Sean turns to the lads for a quick chat and returns to Saddam "Right, the invasion's off . We can find space for the army and the airforce but there's no way we'll fit 1000 captured Warships in Dun Laoghaire."
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Lads, me and few of the mates were thinking of mounting an old invasion.
Seeing as the advance party seems to have London in the bag, we should have somewhere where we can get a decent pint. We were thinking of overthrowing Blair and replacing him with Dana or Perhaps Terry Wogan. Trouble is, the old Hiace is capable of 25mph. We're afraid we mightn't get past Wales at the rate things are going. Maybe we should leave it until the summer when all ye are over queing up to kiss the Blarney Stone and drinking us out of tea. Then we could slip in and turn the houses of parliment into a hurling pitch and grow shamrock on Blair's lawn. Reminds me of the time we rang up Saddam Hussain to tell him we were coming over to Iraq to sort him out.
"Well Saddam" said Sean, "Meself and a few of the lads have got ourselves a pitchfork and were coming over to bust yer snot !" "My army is 2 million strong !!" Saddam says. After a short chat with the lads, Sean says "Right, we've counted our money up and if we only have 40 pints each this weekend we can just about afford a big stick with a nail in the end." "Bring it on !: said Saddam "I have 5000 warplanes in my airforce". Again Sean confers with the lads "Right ye little fecker, we're only having 20 pints each this weekend and we're going to buy some pickaxe handles. "You foolish infidels"
says Saddam, "My navy has a fleet of over 1000 warships !". Sean turns to the lads for a quick chat and returns to Saddam "Right, the invasion's off . We can find space for the army and the airforce but there's no way we'll fit 1000 captured Warships in Dun Laoghaire."
Wanna hear something that's only gonna make everything worse ! I'm reliably informed VAT is going up to 20% in the next budget !!!! + the usual 5p on fuel.
That will be another £500 a year they'll be taking off me for the pleasure of driving my car - let alone what road tax will go up to..
Oh joy !
That will be another £500 a year they'll be taking off me for the pleasure of driving my car - let alone what road tax will go up to..
Oh joy !
Personally, I think its a load of hot air put out to try and take the heat of this naff goverment. Speeding fines when given in court are means tested and still will be, and a guy got jailed for excessive speeding the other month anyway, so really, all they're doing is upping the ceiling. Hopefully nobody here will reach that anyway.
Remember its Magistrates that hand out fines now, and they are as wet as you can get. Re the other offences, if it gets dangerous drivers off the road and leaves it free for well educated and careful drivers all the better for us.
Regarding fines compared to other offences. It all depends on the offence, but you would be amazed how easy it is for a decent solicitor to confuse a bench of magistrates. As I've said in a previous thread, my personal opinion is that £60 for a FPN is to high.
Remember its Magistrates that hand out fines now, and they are as wet as you can get. Re the other offences, if it gets dangerous drivers off the road and leaves it free for well educated and careful drivers all the better for us.
Regarding fines compared to other offences. It all depends on the offence, but you would be amazed how easy it is for a decent solicitor to confuse a bench of magistrates. As I've said in a previous thread, my personal opinion is that £60 for a FPN is to high.
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Personally, I think its a load of hot air put out to try and take the heat of this naff goverment. Speeding fines when given in court are means tested and still will be, and a guy got jailed for excessive speeding the other month anyway, so really, all they're doing is upping the ceiling. Hopefully nobody here will reach that anyway.
Remember its Magistrates that hand out fines now, and they are as wet as you can get. Re the other offences, if it gets dangerous drivers off the road and leaves it free for well educated and careful drivers all the better for us.
Regarding fines compared to other offences. It all depends on the offence, but you would be amazed how easy it is for a decent solicitor to confuse a bench of magistrates. As I've said in a previous thread, my personal opinion is that £60 for a FPN is to high.
OK but the facts are we are being shafted. The greens have infiltrated the civil service and they are attacking the motorist with enthusiasm. The method is almost irrelavent. The real motivation for the obsession with promoting the none existant public transport system is based on the idealogical notion of social inclusion. The kind of social inclusion we will end up with will be economic mediocrety and social mediocrety. Why else would a government pursue a policy of persecuting the majority, tollerating the use of illegal drugs and assaulting the elderly? Unless of course they wanted to create a society where the majority just exist for the benefit of a liberal elite. The historic alternative of war is no longer on the agenda in any serious way because E=MC2. Much better to indoctrinate the masses with the threat of global warming, (which is the modern equivalent of a sandwich board diplaying "the end of the world is nigh" as its message). No proof required, just blind faith, together with the dumbing down of the media, the reduction of educational standards and a few other tools such as political correctness and reliance on the fact that most people are stupid. The motor car created civilisation for the masses. It gave us freedom and for those in positions of power it scares them. This regime needs to be smashed. Sorry rant over
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