Laser/Photograph - 40 in a 30 NIP
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As the registered owner of my car I have received a NIP through the post for 40 in a 30. My wife and I are normally quite observant of 30 and 40 limits and whoever was driving was convinced that we were in a 40 limit. This was in a town strange to us. I’m aware that 30 repeater signs are (ridiculously) illegal however 30 road markings are not because we have them in our home town, but there were none here. There were no pavements, the road passes through a rocky gorge at this point and due to the geology lamp posts are few and far between (or perhaps mounted high on top of the rocks, I’ll be looking when I go back there next week). i.e. there are few of the usual clues that you’re in a 30 limit.
Therefore it creates easy pickings for a man in a van and his laser looking for justification for his existence, brownie points, and revenue under the pretence of road safety.
You won’t find it surprising to learn that both my wife and I drove independently in the area at around the time indicated. We would dearly love to get clarification as to who was lasered but the notes accompanying the NIP says “photographic evidence will not be supplied as a matter of routine”. They also say “the photograph taken cannot, in most cases, provide the identity of the driver”.
I have a question that one of the more enlightened police officers on here might be able to help me with. Can I in fact request a copy of the photograph and, more to the point, is it likely to show the driver in sufficient detail?
Secondly, a general question, what’s the best laser jammer to compliment my radar/laser detector? I’ve had enough, I drive many miles safely and strongly object to the speed enforcement policies of some counties.
Thanks for your help. I’m sorry about the formal nature of the above but I wanted to get the wording right.
Therefore it creates easy pickings for a man in a van and his laser looking for justification for his existence, brownie points, and revenue under the pretence of road safety.
You won’t find it surprising to learn that both my wife and I drove independently in the area at around the time indicated. We would dearly love to get clarification as to who was lasered but the notes accompanying the NIP says “photographic evidence will not be supplied as a matter of routine”. They also say “the photograph taken cannot, in most cases, provide the identity of the driver”.
I have a question that one of the more enlightened police officers on here might be able to help me with. Can I in fact request a copy of the photograph and, more to the point, is it likely to show the driver in sufficient detail?
Secondly, a general question, what’s the best laser jammer to compliment my radar/laser detector? I’ve had enough, I drive many miles safely and strongly object to the speed enforcement policies of some counties.
Thanks for your help. I’m sorry about the formal nature of the above but I wanted to get the wording right.
I'm no lawyer but i believe you have the right to see the pic and any other evidence that they may, or may not have.
I've just been caught in Nothhampton and I've requested the pic (for the album you understand) and a copy is already in the post.
To save money on a solicitor, ask your local citizens advice. They're free and will get the facts for you. I've used them a few times on different matters and I've found them to be very good.
I've just been caught in Nothhampton and I've requested the pic (for the album you understand) and a copy is already in the post.
To save money on a solicitor, ask your local citizens advice. They're free and will get the facts for you. I've used them a few times on different matters and I've found them to be very good.
I have a question that one of the more enlightened police officers on here might be able to help me with. Can I in fact request a copy of the photograph and, more to the point, is it likely to show the driver in sufficient detail?
Very few mobile/hand held devices retain the image for evidential purposes after the event. If you are stopped at the time, you may if you ask, get to see the evidence at the time. The photograph, if retained, will not show the driver, it may at best show a silohuette but no more. Bear in mind it's the car and registration number that are needed evidentially. You could request disclosure of the evidence in the matter by requesting a court appearance and to be dealt with by way of summons rather than the conditional fixed penalty notice offer (£60 and 3 points), that will follow your return of the driver identity request. Do not whatever you do ignore this request...to do so will almost certainly result in a large fine.. If you can not determine who was driving at the time, then you can not complete the driver identity form accurately. Read the small print and make contact with the issuing police force, stating that you are honestly unsure who the driver was at the time. It may be wise to speak to a solicitor for advice, but bear in mind the time limits.
Secondly, a general question, what’s the best laser jammer to compliment my radar/laser detector? I’ve had enough, I drive many miles safely and strongly object to the speed enforcement policies of some counties.
Well I use a couple of BEL devices - the BEL Euro 550 and the BEL 980 in different cars. The 550 is a much better device. Both these are emission sensing Radar and Laser detection devices, that give both audible and visual alerts of Gatso, Laser and other radar devices. They do not detect the new SPECS cameras or onboard police devices such as Provida (both these rely on time and distance measurement) nor do they detect the rare 'lines in the road' Golden River speed checks.
GPS based equipment such as Road Angel work well to warn you of known static mounted devices of all types, with regular updates available via the internet.
The best combination that is both lawful and effective is an emission sensing device like the BEL along with a GPS device like the Road Angel. Expensive though!
Do not consider the laser jamming devices. These unlike the other devices mentioned are still illegal to use as they actively 'deal' with a Police transmission that could mean (if caught)prosecution under the Wireless and Telegraphy Act. The other devices are currently lawful by way of a loophole in the legislation.
>> Edited by **ijp** on Saturday 7th December 13:06
I have a question that one of the more enlightened police officers on here might be able to help me with. Can I in fact request a copy of the photograph and, more to the point, is it likely to show the driver in sufficient detail?
Write into the issuing office and request the photographs as you are unable to ascertain who was driving at the time and the production of them may assist you in that task.
As IJP says, beware of the time limits.
I know nothing about lazer Jammers so cannot help you with that one.
Hi. A laser jammer such as the Snooper SLD920 or Lrc100 should do the bizz in regards to anyone getting a "lock" on your vehicle.
They DO in actual fact work and work well.
You also get the benefit of an audible alert in car, to tell you when the device is jamming, giving you time to bring your speed down if necessary and then switching it off before they pull you.
The police understandably dont want information on these devices as effective jammers, to be widespread, as they would rather take your money and give you points, rather than let you get away with it.
For further info on jammers, police radars,lasers and other speedtrap devices, go to UK speedtrap guide, all the info you need is on that site.
Hope this helps.
They DO in actual fact work and work well.
You also get the benefit of an audible alert in car, to tell you when the device is jamming, giving you time to bring your speed down if necessary and then switching it off before they pull you.
The police understandably dont want information on these devices as effective jammers, to be widespread, as they would rather take your money and give you points, rather than let you get away with it.
For further info on jammers, police radars,lasers and other speedtrap devices, go to UK speedtrap guide, all the info you need is on that site.
Hope this helps.
If you are unsure who is driving the car do not reply on the nip you were not driving.A better option is for you and your wife BOTH to admit to driving the vechile,this normally leads to case being dismissed as police can not prosecute both of you for the same offence.If neither of you admit to being the driver the registered keeper will collect points and fine
>> Edited by The Engineer on Saturday 7th December 21:10
>> Edited by The Engineer on Saturday 7th December 21:10
Thank you to everybody for your helpful reply and comments. I'll be requesting the photograph to see if it helps with identification of the driver.
Thanks also for your comments on laser jammers. I know some of you disapprove of their use but what's a bloke to do? I've been caught three times in the last 5 years by long distance laser devices. When you sometimes drive 250 miles early in in the morning, have a long meeting and drive 250 miles home again it's not practical to keep to the 60 and 70 limits, in fact if I did so I think I'd be at risk of falling asleep due to the low demands on concentration.
Does anybody know if there has been a prosecution brought against a driver using a laser jammer?
Thanks also for your comments on laser jammers. I know some of you disapprove of their use but what's a bloke to do? I've been caught three times in the last 5 years by long distance laser devices. When you sometimes drive 250 miles early in in the morning, have a long meeting and drive 250 miles home again it's not practical to keep to the 60 and 70 limits, in fact if I did so I think I'd be at risk of falling asleep due to the low demands on concentration.
Does anybody know if there has been a prosecution brought against a driver using a laser jammer?
Jason F said:
The Engineer said: If neither of you admit to being the driver the registered keeper will collect points and fine
So you are presumed Guilty then? Also the registered owner can be punished for a crime they did not commit?? Time to faxmymp I think.
IIRC the registered keeper is fined and pointed for failing to notify who was driving, not for the speeding.
That's just plain vindictive. If it was you & your spouse in the car, taking turns to drive (don't drive tired!!!, remember), then it becomes very difficult for them to proceed. You may be invited to court in an attempt to call your bluff. They try to intimidate you into fessing up, but if you stick to your account, you'll be let off.
If the registered keeper is one of the drivers, there shouldn't be any points unless found guilty in the first part.
Secondly, what proof does a photograph constitute anyway? only that a car with a given ID passed by.
If they don't have the driver clearly shown, how can it be a safe prosecution? bear in mind that 2 blokes up north knocked down an old man & killed him - CPS were unable to prosecute !!!
Fight it man! BTW, you may claim certain expenses from CPS if the matter drags on too long, and you may claim about £20 per letter you write to them. I got £110 of 'em.
C
If the registered keeper is one of the drivers, there shouldn't be any points unless found guilty in the first part.
Secondly, what proof does a photograph constitute anyway? only that a car with a given ID passed by.
If they don't have the driver clearly shown, how can it be a safe prosecution? bear in mind that 2 blokes up north knocked down an old man & killed him - CPS were unable to prosecute !!!
Fight it man! BTW, you may claim certain expenses from CPS if the matter drags on too long, and you may claim about £20 per letter you write to them. I got £110 of 'em.
C
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