Will GPS systems win the speed camera war?
Monday 25th November 2002
Morpheous RoadPilot
Licence protection technology steps up a gear to meet latest threats to driving liberty
Discussion
Mmm this sounds great and I really wish I could afford one, but....
I recently read an article in the Daily Mail that said by 2012 Blair would have forced all new cars to have a GPS system installed that charged people for the roads they used. i.e. congestion charging everywhere at about 10p-20p a mile.
The fact that this system can give you the speed limit your in and the speed you are doing is very frightening as certain parties in the upper Echelons of this country's administration have for a long time talked about enforcing speed limits using this sort of technology and a speed limiter.
I recently read an article in the Daily Mail that said by 2012 Blair would have forced all new cars to have a GPS system installed that charged people for the roads they used. i.e. congestion charging everywhere at about 10p-20p a mile.
The fact that this system can give you the speed limit your in and the speed you are doing is very frightening as certain parties in the upper Echelons of this country's administration have for a long time talked about enforcing speed limits using this sort of technology and a speed limiter.
Froth said: Mmm this sounds great and I really wish I could afford one, but....
I recently read an article in the Daily Mail that said by 2012 Blair would have forced all new cars to have a GPS system installed that charged people for the roads they used. i.e. congestion charging everywhere at about 10p-20p a mile.
tis a good job he'll not be in government in 2012 then
.see previous threads about GPS speed control - joust is of the firm opinion that it'll never work because of poor satellite linkage etc, especially in built up areas. And it can apparently be beaten by about £1 of components from Radio Shack ......
But as for Bliar - get im orf my planet!!
But as for Bliar - get im orf my planet!!
mondeoman said: see previous threads about GPS speed control - joust is of the firm opinion that it'll never work because of poor satellite linkage etc, especially in built up areas. And it can apparently be beaten by about £1 of components from Radio Shack ......
But as for Bliar - get im orf my planet!!
I keep telling myself that if my car came with a speed limitor I'd have it removed. But if Blair passed the neccessary laws - which he surely would - would I really risk going to jail for my favourite past time?
I concur that we'd better just make sure Blair never gets the chance.
Electronically limiting the speed of a vehicle to make people stick to speed limits will do absolutely nothing but make lawyers rich.
The most ridiculous concept I have heard in some time.
So on that basis alone I would have thought that Mr Cherie Blair will pass it straight through the commons post haste.
Matt.
The most ridiculous concept I have heard in some time.
So on that basis alone I would have thought that Mr Cherie Blair will pass it straight through the commons post haste.
Matt.
marki said: If its not Blaarr then there will always be another clone to take his place, which ever partaay get in
If that's the case then we are all doomed!
However at the Tory conference the conservatives made a public call for the government to end the "War on the motorist" - their words not mine. So if you want things to be different I reckon politicians should get some recognition when they stand up for motorists. Goodness knows, the conservatives get a good enough kicking from the environmentalists.
>> Edited by Froth on Tuesday 26th November 15:51
In the event that this electronic bug is implemented, by whoever, you should be prepared to defy them.
There are far more sinister reasons for this nasty bit of kit being utilised.
I smell it being used for other things, like replacing road tax, only charged while engine running for instance (nice environmental tax in there), congestion charging while its parked in the street outside your home, knowing when and where you are at any given time....
Distance, duration, average and peak speeds, acceleration rates, deceleration rates etc can all be monitored with something like this.
Frightened yet? You should be, im kakking meself, but on the other hand I AM prepared to defy them over this, are you?
There are far more sinister reasons for this nasty bit of kit being utilised.
I smell it being used for other things, like replacing road tax, only charged while engine running for instance (nice environmental tax in there), congestion charging while its parked in the street outside your home, knowing when and where you are at any given time....
Distance, duration, average and peak speeds, acceleration rates, deceleration rates etc can all be monitored with something like this.
Frightened yet? You should be, im kakking meself, but on the other hand I AM prepared to defy them over this, are you?
mondeoman said:
Is there any other type of GPS we should be concerned about ???
If its electronics based it can be beaten ........
Is there any other kind?
(That wasnt meant to be a facetious comment...)
I cant see how there could be, GPS is a specific term used for tracking a position from american military GPS sat signals. There are other ways to track a position however.
They could always use a system similar in theory to a Lorry tachograph, (Add in some sort of inertial tracking system similar to some older missile guidance systems etc etc) and require you to download it every six months to be charged for a revised tax disc... (not quite plausible, too expensive maybe. But possible.)
Triangulating positions from radio or other beacons perhaps?
This is off the top of my head, and im not an expert, but there are a variety of other ways it could be done.
>> Edited by TheLemming on Wednesday 27th November 11:50
I guess the only other way they could do it is to use something akin to mobile phone base stations to triangulate your position, it might be harder to block "line of sight" to these than it is to a satellite. Because they'd only be half a mile away, rather than 26000 miles or whatever, you'd need some serious shielding to block the signals going to and from them. That sort of system could work two-way (with additional expense), unlike a satellite based one where each ground unit cannot be interrogated by the satellite. The gyro-type system the previous poster talked about would need updating every day, rather than every six months, and is frighteningly expensive for the accuracy levels required (ie is the car on the M1 or the tiny secondary road 20 feet to the west of it?).
The ESA is already in the throes of launching a European GPS satellite system, so it's pretty clear that that will be what is used. And it will be just as easy to defeat as everyone says it is.
The ESA is already in the throes of launching a European GPS satellite system, so it's pretty clear that that will be what is used. And it will be just as easy to defeat as everyone says it is.
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