Notice of Intended Prosecution.......

[I_love_pigs]

Hi all, I've just received (today) a 'Notice of Intended Prosecution', which has informed me that me and my Civic exceeded the speed limit on 18/10/2002 (83mph in a 70mph).

Ok, ok, there's not a lot I can say, but.....

The 'Safety' (my arse!) van was parked on the side of the dual carriage-way and pointing the wrong way. There's no way he got there legally, but.....

I've just been informed by a neighbour that you should receive the 'Notice of Intended Procecution' within two weeks of the 'alleged' incident for it to be valid. Is this true as my 'incident' occured 3 weeks ago tomorrow, yet I only received it today? Am I a free man? Should I get excited just yet? Can anyone help?

>>> Edited by I_love_pigs on Thursday 7th November 21:38

[trefor]

They need to have posted it within 14 days - look at the postmark. Also if you've moved house/changed address recently and this took a few days to find you because of this you're not off the hook.

[I_love_pigs]

Hi Trefor, it's a company car (does that make a difference?) and is registered to the company I work for. We haven't changed address, so I can't understand any delay. How do I/Can I appeal against the 14 day rule?

[madcop]

I_love_pigs said: Hi Trefor, it's a company car (does that make a difference?) and is registered to the company I work for. We haven't changed address, so I can't understand any delay. How do I/Can I appeal against the 14 day rule?

If it is posted to the registered owner of the car within 14 days after the day of the commission of the offence, then it is a valid notice. The fact that you received it later than that is irrelevant.

You can only appeal against the 14 day rule by lobbying your M.P. for a change in the law.

I don't think you should waste your time!

[northernboy]

Well, I hardly think it's wasting his time if it was posted to the registered keeper outside the 14 day time limit!

My advice is that if it was indeed posted outside the time limit, to write to them telling them so.

Then, buy a dodgy birth certificate, use it to get a license and take your test under the new name, and use that license in case of future speeding offences.

Or, sell your car, buy another one the same, and put the plates off your old car on the new one.

Or, go to court, but take a dirty bomb with you, and set it off as a protest.

Or carry out a dirty protest in the style of the IRA hunger strikers.

[darrent]

Where did you get caught?

[kevinday]

northernboy said:

Then, buy a dodgy birth certificate, use it to get a license and take your test under the new name, and use that license in case of future speeding offences.

Insurance implications?????? I would rather be done for speeding than driving without insurance.

[madcop]

northernboy said: Well, I hardly think it's wasting his time if it was posted to the registered keeper outside the 14 day time limit!

If you read the thread properly then you would see what has happened.

It is a company car registered to the company.
Therefore the NIP wold have been sent to the registered owner and not 'I love Pigs'

That is why he 'probably' didn't get it within the three weeks.

The 'Don't waste your time' was about the lobbying MP to change the law.

My advice is that if it was indeed posted outside the time limit, to write to them telling them so.

Your advice is correct. He should challenge the notice if it was not posted within the 14 day limit.
If he was given the NIP alone witout the envelope, by the vehicle fleet manager for his company, he will be none the wiser when it was posted.

Then, buy a dodgy birth certificate, use it to get a license and take your test under the new name, and use that license in case of future speeding offences.

Or, sell your car, buy another one the same, and put the plates off your old car on the new one.

Or, go to court, but take a dirty bomb with you, and set it off as a protest.

Or carry out a dirty protest in the style of the IRA hunger strikers.

Good advice.

[northernboy]

But Mr Ronald Stunt is listed as a named driver.

Of course, I don't really condone this stuff, but since my intended prosecution got started, you wouldn't believe the number of people who have said "Oh, I just gave the name of someone who's moved out of the country".

If you're honest, you go to court, get fined, and pay a fortune for your insurance for several years. If you're not honest, it would appear that there's about zero percent chance that you get picked up on it.

I'm frankly fuming that I might get a ban for what I did (speeding in a temporary (but unsigned) speed limit on a dual carriageway in the middle of nowhere), and that every day since the notice came through, I've thought about how easy it would be to claim someone else was driving. I've decided that I'm going to take the ban, or whatever else happens, but when you combine it with the police activity when my house was burgled and my car stolen, I tend to think that the priorities are wrong somewhere.

Frankly, it's verging on enough to cause me to relocate, and take the X hundred thousands of pounds income tax I pay a year to a country where the social contract is more stacked in my favour.

Alternatively, I might forget to clean the chain lube off that accidentally splashed my rear plate, and not worry too much that it makes my car unidentifiable.

When I drove 5000 miles a year, I went for 8 years without a single infraction against my name. Now that I drive 40k per year, they are starting to stack up. I've slowed myself down now, but unfortunately, this means that I get cut up very frequently, get tailgated, and generally seem to act as a mobile roadblock.

[angusfaldo]

northernboy said: Well, I hardly think it's wasting his time if it was posted to the registered keeper outside the 14 day time limit!

My advice is that if it was indeed posted outside the time limit, to write to them telling them so.

Then, buy a dodgy birth certificate, use it to get a license and take your test under the new name, and use that license in case of future speeding offences.

Or, sell your car, buy another one the same, and put the plates off your old car on the new one.

Or, go to court, but take a dirty bomb with you, and set it off as a protest.

Or carry out a dirty protest in the style of the IRA hunger strikers.

Scunthorpe

[I_love_pigs]

Hi all,

Some great replies!

Seriously though, I was handed the NIP by my MD who opened it himself yesterday morning (7th Nov) and disposed of the envelope. It was addressed to the company, hence the MD opening it and I got it 10 mins later!

The NIP is dated 6th Nov, but the 'alleged' offence took place 18th Oct.

Darrent, about half a mile north of a town called Brackley, Northamptonshire on the A43.

[madcop]

I_love_pigs said: Hi all,

The NIP is dated 6th Nov, but the 'alleged' offence took place 18th Oct.

If the date on the NIP is 6th Nov that would be a good start to work on ( it would probably have ben posted that day or te day after).

18th October to 6th November is 19 days.

The first day of the ofence is not included in the 14.

The NIP would not have been put in the envelope until the 6th as it did not exist until that day.

Write back to them stating that the form clearly states (if you read the bottom small print) that it should be served within 14 days of the offence.
Photo copy the NIP and enclose it although this isn't necessary as there are two copies plus the original.
White for you to send back,
yellow for you to keep,
Green for certificate of delivery which goes on the file.

Bring their attention to the date it was issued and state that if they proceed you will plead not guilty on the basis tha NIP was out of time when it was sent.

[dcb]

Frankly, it's verging on enough to cause me to relocate, and take the X hundred thousands of pounds income tax I pay a year to a country where the social contract is more stacked in my favour.

Go on, I dare you to relocate.
Lots of countries are better than the UK.

100K of income tax implies income of 250K.

Not a pop star are we ?

[randy]

I got a NIP through at the start of June and the cozzers still havn't followed it up. Does anyone know if it makes it void if it goes outstanding for ages??

[madcop]

randy said: I got a NIP through at the start of June and the cozzers still havn't followed it up. Does anyone know if it makes it void if it goes outstanding for ages??

Did you send it back with th required information?

[randy]

No. I was out of the country at the time so I missed the reply date. On the NIP it said that I there was no reply then they would assume I was the driver.