What's the difference?
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What’s the difference between an ambulance and a Safety Camera van? The answer is - nothing - they are both helping to save lives.
From: www.northants.police.uk/publish/viewfull.cfm?ObjectID=6E861132-4E44-4D9C-93F085DE5E5D41F2
What's the difference between Northants Police and Joey Deacon?
Not doing themselves any favours there are they? Especially if you consider the fact that the number of people killed in road traffic accidents in Northants between April 2001 and March 2002 rose to 56, compared to 51 in the previous 12 months.
I posted this
"The message you are punting about "safety" cameras is a load of tosh They are revenue raisers and nothing more.
"Road deaths in Northants between April 2001 and March 2002 rose to 56, compared to 51 in the previous 12 months" and this despite all the "safety" cameras you blather about.
I'd like to see a camera take a picture of a drunken driver, a reckless driver, a driver without insurance, a car with dangerous tyres, someone who is too blind to see properly, someone who has no grasp of lane discipline, somoeone with no concept of the Highway code.....
But heh, you're raising revenue so what the hell, hammer the drivers again - you seem to forget that there are over 30 million road users who all have a vote and can all influence the society in which you work.
Cant you see or understand that this indiscrimate "criminilisation" of large swathes of the population for minor breaches of often inappropariate limits (funny how a limit gets dropped on a dual carriageway at the same time that "safety" cameras appear - especially on roads with no significant accident history) will end up alienating the very people you look to for help in providing information for solving REAL crimes.
I just wish you would think about the real dangers facing road users and push for proper education of drivers, both before and after the issue of a licence, and get into schools and nurseries and start to teach the Green Cross code again.
Yours
A concerned citizen"
DOn't think it'll do much tho ......
"The message you are punting about "safety" cameras is a load of tosh They are revenue raisers and nothing more.
"Road deaths in Northants between April 2001 and March 2002 rose to 56, compared to 51 in the previous 12 months" and this despite all the "safety" cameras you blather about.
I'd like to see a camera take a picture of a drunken driver, a reckless driver, a driver without insurance, a car with dangerous tyres, someone who is too blind to see properly, someone who has no grasp of lane discipline, somoeone with no concept of the Highway code.....
But heh, you're raising revenue so what the hell, hammer the drivers again - you seem to forget that there are over 30 million road users who all have a vote and can all influence the society in which you work.
Cant you see or understand that this indiscrimate "criminilisation" of large swathes of the population for minor breaches of often inappropariate limits (funny how a limit gets dropped on a dual carriageway at the same time that "safety" cameras appear - especially on roads with no significant accident history) will end up alienating the very people you look to for help in providing information for solving REAL crimes.
I just wish you would think about the real dangers facing road users and push for proper education of drivers, both before and after the issue of a licence, and get into schools and nurseries and start to teach the Green Cross code again.
Yours
A concerned citizen"
DOn't think it'll do much tho ......
I'm a taxi driver in Northampton, working 7a.m to 6 p.m. Monday to Friday. I very rarely see Police patrol cars, perhaps 1 or 2 per week! I regularly see marked Police Astras, Focus and 306s, and these are obviously going from A-B on ordinary Police business (interviews etc). The Safety Scamera vans are everywhere, and I see these much more often, sometimes 2-3 times per hour! You're correct, they don't catch the idiots, only those just over the sometimes stupid limits. Thank goodness for the taxi radio keeping us drivers informed of the Scamera Vans whereabouts!
After reading this over-simplified dumbed-down nonsense from Northamptonshire Police, and the replies to this thread, I thought I'd e-mail them the ID of this particular post, with a little explanation thrown in for good measure. It will be interesting to see if anybody there has the guts to defend their nonsense here, especially the fool who wrote it.
I suppose its probably best if I now keep out of Northants for a few months !!!
I suppose its probably best if I now keep out of Northants for a few months !!!
There was one parked up in a lay-by in Miadenhead yesterday, (on a decent qulaity dual carriageway that is for some obscure reason a 40 limit - should be 50 - I pitty visitors to the area) so it is great for the Highwaymen to make a quike fortune on a busy day!
charltm said: What do these vans look like? I'm not aware of ever having seen one.
It was a typical white van with smoked glass rear & side windows, the sides were stickered-up with "Community Safety Van" or some such other trite nonesense, and there was a small police sticker above each rear door - in smaller font than a number plate (to give you the idea).
To be honest from the back it looked like a typical modified small people carrier - the sort you would use to drive a spastic person around in. There were 2 x policemen sat in it. Rich...
I was thinking about these revenue vans and came to the conclusion there cannot be any justification for them in the safety scenario. Cameras should be sited at places of proven danger, i.e. where multiple accidents have occurred over the last x years, and I would be happy with cameras outside schools (as long as they were only operational during school hours). So why bother with expensive, manned mobile cameras when fixed cameras can be installed at the correct locations?
Answer is obvious, they are solely for revenue generation purposes.
Answer is obvious, they are solely for revenue generation purposes.
Seen one of these public disservice vehicles in the Uxbridge area - plain black escort size van with gold lines - caught a few colleaugues on a piece of dual carriageway that is a ludicrous NSL 30.
The real concern is that driving is just like any other human activity - can be risky, full of imperfections and subject to human nature - but unlike terrorists blowing up pregnant women and children, teenagers robbing pensioners and well-connected toffs and businessmen dodging taxes and making illegal business deals, drivers are:
a. Guilty the moment they turn the ignition in their cars
b. Totally traceable (except for those who exploit the total bureaucratic and technical incompetence of the DVLA and other government agencies by not registering their vehicles nor paying road tax and insurance - but they usually plead that they are too poor to pay fines and ignore the bans and get straight back in their cars)
c. Do not as a habit donate to political parties (just vote for their lying, thieving whoreson candidates)
d. Are inherently honest and pay up when they are caught
e. And when they are not being caught for minor infractions they are being robbed of billions of pounds by the government for no real return (except more speed cameras, flawed propaganda and dishonest stratistics).
Why don't we ALL one day leave our cars at home and go by train/bus/bicycle - then we can spot the hypocrite politicians in their cars and also demonstrate that the public transport system will NEVER be an adequate substitute for the car? And if you don't make it to work, apologise to your boss but say it's not your fault but the w@nkers making such a nice living out of screwing this once-great country.
The real concern is that driving is just like any other human activity - can be risky, full of imperfections and subject to human nature - but unlike terrorists blowing up pregnant women and children, teenagers robbing pensioners and well-connected toffs and businessmen dodging taxes and making illegal business deals, drivers are:
a. Guilty the moment they turn the ignition in their cars
b. Totally traceable (except for those who exploit the total bureaucratic and technical incompetence of the DVLA and other government agencies by not registering their vehicles nor paying road tax and insurance - but they usually plead that they are too poor to pay fines and ignore the bans and get straight back in their cars)
c. Do not as a habit donate to political parties (just vote for their lying, thieving whoreson candidates)
d. Are inherently honest and pay up when they are caught
e. And when they are not being caught for minor infractions they are being robbed of billions of pounds by the government for no real return (except more speed cameras, flawed propaganda and dishonest stratistics).
Why don't we ALL one day leave our cars at home and go by train/bus/bicycle - then we can spot the hypocrite politicians in their cars and also demonstrate that the public transport system will NEVER be an adequate substitute for the car? And if you don't make it to work, apologise to your boss but say it's not your fault but the w@nkers making such a nice living out of screwing this once-great country.
sadoksevoli said:
Why don't we ALL one day leave our cars at home and go by train/bus/bicycle - then we can spot the hypocrite politicians in their cars and also demonstrate that the public transport system will NEVER be an adequate substitute for the car? And if you don't make it to work, apologise to your boss but say it's not your fault but the w@nkers making such a nice living out of screwing this once-great country.
Actually this is a fantastic idea. If something like this could get the backing of the ABD, motoring organisations and some publicity in the mainstream press - imagine the chaos that is caused if several million motorists descend on an already stretched public transport system!
We might finally be able to show the anti-car zealots that the use of public transport is just not viable at this time.
northernboy said: I doubt it'd work, though. If there was no traffic, I could be in to work in half the normal time, and there must be lots like me who'd simply decide to switch from train to car on the day of the protest to take advantage of the quieter roads.
TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!
I like it - I'd never get here so it'd be a day off for me.
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