Help required - for a speedy Brit Biker

[redbites]

I got flashed by one of those 'stand on the floor' cameras doing 70 (I think) in a 40 zone on the A40 - the camera was hard to spot as it was early and the sun was very low.

The ticket doesn't say what speed I was travelling at. Is that normal? The ticket just says "for an alleged offence of EXCESS SPEED (40 MPH LIMIT)"
If I accept being the driver, I think my licence could go.

Can anyone help? My Speed Triple couldn't survive a year ban.

Cheers.

[hertsbiker]

Deny being the rider = max of 6 points + £1000 fine, possibly zero points & a £300 fine if you can think of a plausible excuse... but only recomended for experts.
If you choose this option, do not post any further details that you wouldn't like to see in court!! (just a bit of friendly warning that).

Never forget that you can ask for the photo's, and other evidence. Also, usually it is daft to speed in a 40, unless it used to be NSL.

Second, for what it is worth, get a tiny number plate. These do not photograph very well, and get you out of lots of tricky situations at the risk of a telling off for taking the p***.

Be careful out there.

C

[redbites]

Thanks for advice.
Do you know why they didn't put the speed I was doing on the letter? Or is that the normal thing to do?
I don't mind taking liability but if they come back and say.. you were doing 34 over the limit then I'm looking at commuting by Tube. And as a biker for 15 years (with no points) this is going to hurt.

[craigw]

If you choose this option, do not post any further details that you wouldn't like to see in court!! (just a bit of friendly warning that).

Hertsbiker, do they check here do you think?

[Gargamel]

agree with hertsbiker - a letter back explaining ou are the vehicles registered owner - you are unsure who was riding that day - can they send the photo so you can identify the rider

be as unspecific as possible at this time and simply ask for the evidience

[bad company]

Pity those tiny number plates don't look good on a car. Has anybody tried the ones that are supposed to be impossible to photograph?

[hertsbiker]

Hertsbiker, do they check here do you think?

Depends how successful you wish a "blag" to be. Less evidence you distribute of your misdemeanor, and your intention to fib... the better. Obvious really. And yes, they are out to get you, so don't write anything you don't want read out in court/in front of your mother !!!!!!!

C

[Size Nine Elm]

hertsbiker said:

Hertsbiker, do they check here do you think?

Depends how successful you wish a "blag" to be. Less evidence you distribute of your misdemeanor, and your intention to fib... the better. Obvious really. And yes, they are out to get you, so don't write anything you don't want read out in court/in front of your mother !!!!!!!

C

I think 'anonymous posting' might be the way to go. Or at least take your name out your profile!

[JSG]

I don't want to be critisised for telling you to bend over and take it up the bottom, but if the wording is as you say is it not likely to be 3 points and £60 fine ? Pleading not guilty / memory lapse etc may just end up with the full speed coming out in court and a worse penalty.

Just a thought.

[simonm]

I think you've had it, the pleading "prove who was driving/riding " scenario doesn't seem wash these days. They will just do you for not providing the details. Which carries a £1K fine and points. If you do this then you end up in court and run the risk of perjury which I would suspect is an avenue you do not want to go down. The only other route is the Human Rights malarky, but can you afford the time and efforts to get this done, I stronlgy suspect not.

I think your going to have to take this one on the chin and learn.

I think most of us are waking up to the sad reality that the once pleasurable experiences of riding and driving are rapidly dissapearing as the "speed lobby" are getting there way and the Blair is getting more of his "stealth" taxes.

Good luck, I hope you can find a way around it but the odds are defintiley stacked against you.

Simon

PS I don't measn this to sound too negative/patronising , just what I see as reality, and obviously speaking from experience as I am definitley not one to preach.



>> Edited by simonm on Wednesday 6th November 09:52

[hertsbiker]

It is not an automatic fine & points for not disclosing, provided your story is plausible enough.

The £1000 fine is a MAXIMUM fine, and if you were clocked at 150 odd, it would be preferable to take this than 12 months jail. However most Plod who fail to disclose get away with 300-500, and no points.

Think!

C

[**IJP**]

I got flashed by one of those 'stand on the floor' cameras doing 70 (I think) in a 40 zone on the A40 - the camera was hard to spot as it was early and the sun was very low.

The ticket doesn't say what speed I was travelling at. Is that normal? The ticket just says "for an alleged offence of EXCESS SPEED (40 MPH LIMIT)"
If I accept being the driver, I think my licence could go.

Can anyone help? My Speed Triple couldn't survive a year ban.

Cheers.

You need to be specific about the exact wording on the notice you received..
I take it that you've received
1. A notice of intended prosecution NIP
2. A request to provide driver identity (form names vary)

Until you return the driver identity request - which is time limited, you can not ascertain what the next course of action will be.
As you are probably aware there are only two outcomes..
the 3 point sixty pound Fixed Penalty provisional offer or the summons to court.
If you're travelling at over twice the limit, then I would be very surprised if you got the FPN offer..

>> Edited by **IJP** on Wednesday 6th November 11:02

[simonm]

hertsbiker said: It is not an automatic fine & points for not disclosing, provided your story is plausible enough.

The £1000 fine is a MAXIMUM fine, and if you were clocked at 150 odd, it would be preferable to take this than 12 months jail. However most Plod who fail to disclose get away with 300-500, and no points.

Think!

C

True but, if you were speeding and it *did* go to court then you will be specifically asked who the rider was, and denying it is thus committing purjury which I was under the impression can be dealt with fairly severly. I guess if you've got the guts to do it , why not.

Just my thoughts, like I said it's getting much harder to get away with it these days, the system will always win in the end I guess.#

Simon

[hertsbiker]

Simon, they don't do polygraph in this country, so it is only a matter of bottle. They rely on the fact that you will be intimidated. Which you will be. I found court quite scary until I lost my temper and started shouting at the beak & cps for wasting my time.

Funny thing is, the real hard criminals get away with murder(literally) by simply lying. Us honest law abiding types get a record because we are *too* honest. Still, you'll find out what type you are when you get there.

[redbites]

Yes I rec'd a NIP form and a request to identify the driver.
A police friend at work (ex-copper) reckons it's 3pts and £60
I think I'll have to take it

**IJP** said:

I got flashed by one of those 'stand on the floor' cameras doing 70 (I think) in a 40 zone on the A40 - the camera was hard to spot as it was early and the sun was very low.

The ticket doesn't say what speed I was travelling at. Is that normal? The ticket just says "for an alleged offence of EXCESS SPEED (40 MPH LIMIT)"
If I accept being the driver, I think my licence could go.

Can anyone help? My Speed Triple couldn't survive a year ban.

Cheers.

You need to be specific about the exact wording on the notice you received..
I take it that you've received
1. A notice of intended prosecution NIP
2. A request to provide driver identity (form names vary)

Until you return the driver identity request - which is time limited, you can not ascertain what the next course of action will be.
As you are probably aware there are only two outcomes..
the 3 point sixty pound Fixed Penalty provisional offer or the summons to court.
If you're travelling at over twice the limit, then I would be very surprised if you got the FPN offer..

>> Edited by **IJP** on Wednesday 6th November 11:02

[simon-c]

I got the same thing 2 years ago. NIP and no exact speed.
Then the summons came and it said estmated speed of 90 to 95 in a 50.
Pleaded guilty because i had already got 6 points.
I then went to court without a solicitor, they gave me another 6 points which got me banned, but surprise surprise they gave me a chance to grovel for my licence back and fined me £400 instead.