Parking tickets not attached to the car
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Earlier in the week I received a letter from Liverpool council demanding £70 for a parking ticket. As it has been outstanding for more than 28 days I don’t get a 50% discount.
They have supplied pictures that seem to show that I was parked in a residents only bay. I’m not particularly convinced as I’d struggled to find somewhere that was not residents…. I either missed some signage or they’ve taken a picture of some nearby signage…I’m back in the city in the week so will check…
This is the 2md ticket in recent years that was apparently attached to my car, but had gone missing by the time I returned to the car.
Is this a new thing? Locals playing a trick of attendants playing games?
Anyone else have anything similar?
They have supplied pictures that seem to show that I was parked in a residents only bay. I’m not particularly convinced as I’d struggled to find somewhere that was not residents…. I either missed some signage or they’ve taken a picture of some nearby signage…I’m back in the city in the week so will check…
This is the 2md ticket in recent years that was apparently attached to my car, but had gone missing by the time I returned to the car.
Is this a new thing? Locals playing a trick of attendants playing games?
Anyone else have anything similar?
One one hand you say you struggled to find somewhere that wasn't marked residents so clearly you recollect the incident , then in the next breath you say you aren't convinced ???? Personally I think you have taken a chance Parking there knowing full well it was Residents Only and now you are on here seeking advice on the best scam to avoid paying . As someone else has pointed out . The ticket should have been affixed with a Photo then taken . If it was then you haven't a leg to stand on no matter what you say about tickets going missing . People like you are a complete plague where I live . They have six bays clearly marked in an adjacent sheltered housing complex yet numerous times a day you park up your leased car complete with dowdy wife and smelly offspring and off you go for a day shopping completely disinterested in the plight of those you have inconvenienced . I would fine People like you double .
reddiesel said:
One one hand you say you struggled to find somewhere that wasn't marked residents so clearly you recollect the incident , then in the next breath you say you aren't convinced ???? Personally I think you have taken a chance Parking there knowing full well it was Residents Only and now you are on here seeking advice on the best scam to avoid paying . As someone else has pointed out . The ticket should have been affixed with a Photo then taken . If it was then you haven't a leg to stand on no matter what you say about tickets going missing . People like you are a complete plague where I live . They have six bays clearly marked in an adjacent sheltered housing complex yet numerous times a day you park up your leased car complete with dowdy wife and smelly offspring and off you go for a day shopping completely disinterested in the plight of those you have inconvenienced . I would fine People like you double .
It is also possible it's an error, before you go off on one at the OP 
Simpo Two said:
surveyor said:
Is this a new thing? Locals playing a trick of attendants playing games?
Is there CCTV?kestral said:
Have they supplied a photo of the ticket attached to the car?
Yes, But it was not on there when I returned. As I said very similar happened with the last parking ticket (the wife got that one). Was bang to rights on that one, she had overstayed on pay and display when a job interview went longer than expected. The local authority agreed to reissue, and we paid the ticket in the 14 day periodreddiesel said:
Got ranty - chill out .
I spent some time looking for a legal space. I chose this space because it looked legal and certainly not permit only. Signage in this exact location was not as clear as I would have liked, but I thought the issue was whether it was a legal space or not...Riley Blue said:
There are similar parking restrictions where I live: a maximum of two hours for non-residents. It's clearly signed but many students at the nearby college fail to see, comprehend or ignore it and are ticketed even when parked directly under the signs.
I may have failed on the seeing it - but see belowmmm-five said:
If you have the location, can you not use Google Streetview to check the signs/bays?
Streetview is 3 years out of date. The bay I was parked in at that time was out of use and part of a construction site. I suspect this is key, and it missed being setup with markings etc.If streetview is still accurate, I completely missed two large signs on entering the road. I think I'm unlikely not to have seen those - but I was looking for spaces, so maybe fixated on that, or maybe they have been nicked for the metal!
There was a photo of signage. This must have been taken at a different parking bay, due to the backdrop which should have been a building - instead was a park/square.
To be clear.... If I was parked in a residents bay I'm happy pay up - but I tried quite hard to park legally. I'm more offended that the another ticket mysteriously had a photo taken on my car then disappeared. This means that I no longer get the 28 day discount period, and loose the ability to formally challenge the ticket, should I wish to.
As luck would have it, I need to be in Liverpool this week, and will not be far off the location. I shall have a quick look, and if I can find legal parking may provide photo's!
Have they supplied a photo of the ticket attached to the car?
Yes, But it was not on there when I returned. As I said very similar happened with the last parking ticket (the wife got that one). Was bang to rights on that one, she had overstayed on pay and display when a job interview went longer than expected. The local authority agreed to reissue, and we paid the ticket in the 14 day period
The other day, I found a ticket in its sticky envelope in our gardens. The chancer was clearly going to argue that a third party had removed it. I cant see that argument going anywhere.
They take a photo of the ticket in-situ when the ticket is issued. The fact there was a period of time between issue and the driver returning, is irrelevant to the warden and enforcement.
rdjohn said:
Have they supplied a photo of the ticket attached to the car?
Yes, But it was not on there when I returned. As I said very similar happened with the last parking ticket (the wife got that one). Was bang to rights on that one, she had overstayed on pay and display when a job interview went longer than expected. The local authority agreed to reissue, and we paid the ticket in the 14 day period
The other day, I found a ticket in its sticky envelope in our gardens. The chancer was clearly going to argue that a third party had removed it. I cant see that argument going anywhere.
They take a photo of the ticket in-situ when the ticket is issued. The fact there was a period of time between issue and the driver returning, is irrelevant to the warden and enforcement.
Your quoting did not work well.Yes, But it was not on there when I returned. As I said very similar happened with the last parking ticket (the wife got that one). Was bang to rights on that one, she had overstayed on pay and display when a job interview went longer than expected. The local authority agreed to reissue, and we paid the ticket in the 14 day period
The other day, I found a ticket in its sticky envelope in our gardens. The chancer was clearly going to argue that a third party had removed it. I cant see that argument going anywhere.
They take a photo of the ticket in-situ when the ticket is issued. The fact there was a period of time between issue and the driver returning, is irrelevant to the warden and enforcement.
I understand your point of view. But equally as it's now happened to me twice, perhaps people are removing them thinking it causes additional grief and is funny, or (my theory) the parking attendants are reducing the chance of appeal...
On the first occasion, Nottinghamshire County Council under no pressure at all agreed to reissue and reset the initial period. I wait to see what Liverpool will do, but am not as certain either that I should even have received the ticket this time.
It makes no sense to throw tickets away and not pay the ticket in the early period with the 50% discount. I struggle to see what advantage I would have gained in having done so, having lost the discount, and not having the opportunity to challenge the ticket.
I also received a similar letter for double yellow line parking.
No ticket issued as far as I knew and the £70 demand about 6 weeks later.
Photo evidence supplied was of my vehicle on double yellows at 10.51am
I appealed on the basis that my vehicle (a van) wasn't parked but was being used to collect items from a letting office. The items had to be processed and signed out by a staff member and it took about 10minutes.
The reply was to uphold the warden's decision as the ticket was "issued" at 11.02am and therefore the vehicle had been standing longer than the 10 minutes allowed for loading purposes.
There were no photos of the vehicle at 11.02 and none of the ticket attached to the van.
There was a written note added to the review decision from the warden: "Driver came out of the betting office and snatched ticket from me and went back into the betting office, ticket issued direct to driver".
The reviewing officer did reduce the fine from £70 down to £35 if paid within the next 28 days, so I paid it.
I did think however that wardens shouldn't issue tickets to random members of the public. If someone did snatch the ticket away from their hand, should the warden have issued a copy ticket attached to the windscreen as usual?
Tbh, my thoughts are the warden forgot/didn't get around to attach the ticket and take the second set of
photos and came up with this cock and bull explanation.
Anyhow, for an easy life I coughed up the £35, as I originally appealed on the basis that my vehicle was being used for loading, rather than lack of ticket and lack of evidence of ticket issued.
Edit: yes, there is a betting shop, next to the letting agents.
No ticket issued as far as I knew and the £70 demand about 6 weeks later.
Photo evidence supplied was of my vehicle on double yellows at 10.51am
I appealed on the basis that my vehicle (a van) wasn't parked but was being used to collect items from a letting office. The items had to be processed and signed out by a staff member and it took about 10minutes.
The reply was to uphold the warden's decision as the ticket was "issued" at 11.02am and therefore the vehicle had been standing longer than the 10 minutes allowed for loading purposes.
There were no photos of the vehicle at 11.02 and none of the ticket attached to the van.
There was a written note added to the review decision from the warden: "Driver came out of the betting office and snatched ticket from me and went back into the betting office, ticket issued direct to driver".
The reviewing officer did reduce the fine from £70 down to £35 if paid within the next 28 days, so I paid it.
I did think however that wardens shouldn't issue tickets to random members of the public. If someone did snatch the ticket away from their hand, should the warden have issued a copy ticket attached to the windscreen as usual?
Tbh, my thoughts are the warden forgot/didn't get around to attach the ticket and take the second set of
photos and came up with this cock and bull explanation.
Anyhow, for an easy life I coughed up the £35, as I originally appealed on the basis that my vehicle was being used for loading, rather than lack of ticket and lack of evidence of ticket issued.
Edit: yes, there is a betting shop, next to the letting agents.
Edited by courty on Sunday 21st September 20:07
Edited by courty on Sunday 21st September 20:15
surveyor said:
Your quoting did not work well.
I understand your point of view. But equally as it's now happened to me twice, perhaps people are removing them thinking it causes additional grief and is funny, or (my theory) the parking attendants are reducing the chance of appeal...
On the first occasion, Nottinghamshire County Council under no pressure at all agreed to reissue and reset the initial period. I wait to see what Liverpool will do, but am not as certain either that I should even have received the ticket this time.
It makes no sense to throw tickets away and not pay the ticket in the early period with the 50% discount. I struggle to see what advantage I would have gained in having done so, having lost the discount, and not having the opportunity to challenge the ticket.
Maybe it’s the residents doing it after they’ve seen the warden leave. They’re probably pissed off with non residents parking there, so to get a bit of payback, remove the ticket so you end up with the full fine. I understand your point of view. But equally as it's now happened to me twice, perhaps people are removing them thinking it causes additional grief and is funny, or (my theory) the parking attendants are reducing the chance of appeal...
On the first occasion, Nottinghamshire County Council under no pressure at all agreed to reissue and reset the initial period. I wait to see what Liverpool will do, but am not as certain either that I should even have received the ticket this time.
It makes no sense to throw tickets away and not pay the ticket in the early period with the 50% discount. I struggle to see what advantage I would have gained in having done so, having lost the discount, and not having the opportunity to challenge the ticket.
MDMA . said:
surveyor said:
Your quoting did not work well.
I understand your point of view. But equally as it's now happened to me twice, perhaps people are removing them thinking it causes additional grief and is funny, or (my theory) the parking attendants are reducing the chance of appeal...
On the first occasion, Nottinghamshire County Council under no pressure at all agreed to reissue and reset the initial period. I wait to see what Liverpool will do, but am not as certain either that I should even have received the ticket this time.
It makes no sense to throw tickets away and not pay the ticket in the early period with the 50% discount. I struggle to see what advantage I would have gained in having done so, having lost the discount, and not having the opportunity to challenge the ticket.
Maybe it s the residents doing it after they ve seen the warden leave. They re probably pissed off with non residents parking there, so to get a bit of payback, remove the ticket so you end up with the full fine. I understand your point of view. But equally as it's now happened to me twice, perhaps people are removing them thinking it causes additional grief and is funny, or (my theory) the parking attendants are reducing the chance of appeal...
On the first occasion, Nottinghamshire County Council under no pressure at all agreed to reissue and reset the initial period. I wait to see what Liverpool will do, but am not as certain either that I should even have received the ticket this time.
It makes no sense to throw tickets away and not pay the ticket in the early period with the 50% discount. I struggle to see what advantage I would have gained in having done so, having lost the discount, and not having the opportunity to challenge the ticket.
Leaving the ticket in situ could result in quicker removal, if the fookers lift it to the pound.
Super Sonic said:
surveyor said:
... The bay I was parked in at that time was out of use and part of a construction site. I suspect this is key, and it missed being setup with markings ...
How do you know the bay you parked in was, at that time, out of use?surveyor said:
Super Sonic said:
surveyor said:
... The bay I was parked in at that time was out of use and part of a construction site. I suspect this is key, and it missed being setup with markings ...
How do you know the bay you parked in was, at that time, out of use?You parked in a bay that was "covered by a bloody great big construction office cabin at the time behind hoarding"?
Surely I've misunderstood?
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