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Massive fines for drunks and speeding drivers
I wrote to you a little while ago about one particular pub's two-hour extension on weekend evenings from 11pm to 1am.
Your correspondents last week pointed out the major problems with drunken youths.
The answer is simple: change the law. Have breathalysers installed in every place serving alcohol and set a limit (twice that for driving?) and make landlords/owners breathalyse those about whom they have doubts.
If the police arrive and find anyone over that limit the landlord/ owner should be fined £10,000 and the premises shut for one week. For a second offence they should be fined £50,000 and the premises shut for one month. For a third offence a £50,000 fine and the premises shut for one year. I think that should do it.
Fines of a couple of hundred pounds mean nothing at all. At the moment the landlords are passing the buck.
The same would apply to drivers doing more than 30mph in built-up areas. There should be massive fines (perhaps £5,000?), licences endorsed for the first offence and a larger fine, loss of licence and confiscation of the car on the second.
At the moment it is almost a badge of courage to speed and it is not just young people.
Most of the offenders can easily afford the present fines.
And when this is all sorted out, then they can get around to the lunatics driving and talking drivel on their mobile phones.
Write to your MP. Write to the Government.
This is exactly the kind of practical and workable suggestion that makes me see that Britain today can still produce the sort of people to color the map in pink again.
1 mph over the 30mph - £5000 fine - bring back debtors prisons, sodomy and the lash !
Or possibly some kind of shoot on sight policy for being spotted reading the Guardian or buying lentils
1 mph over the 30mph - £5000 fine - bring back debtors prisons, sodomy and the lash !
Or possibly some kind of shoot on sight policy for being spotted reading the Guardian or buying lentils
And anyone spotted having fun, or looking like they might have fun at a future point in their lifetime should be fined £50,000 and jailed for a year.
batfink said: I agreed on bigger fines for speeding in a 30 but £5000 is a bit OTT
Totally disagree with what would appear to be a reasonable comment, because:
As soon as higher fines in 30s are brought in those 60s that are now 40s for no apparent reason will suddenly become 30s.
Don't give these barstewards an inch. Whatever point you give into them (being reasonable) will be used to fcuk you over at a later date.
DAZ
We get shite like this in our local rag as well. Not one of the fcukers who spout this sort of ill-considered nonsense could pass their Advanced Driving Test...I suspect many could not and have not passed the standard driving test.
I have come to realise that Britain is developing a Culture of Envy based on this current Governments Politics of Envy. Its no longer OK to have achieved something in your life. Its no longer OK to own a nice car - because some people haven't achieved and can't afford one. It seems that shortly it will no longer be OK to have an A level - because this discrimates against people who couldn't pass one. Everyone will go to University - even if its a tenth class "honours" in Hairdressing.
I don't want to live in a culture where mediocrity is the only socially acceptable outcome of anything in particular.
I'm coming round to Dazren's point of view. Fcuk being reasonable. They aren't. So why should we be?
We will fight them...etc
I have come to realise that Britain is developing a Culture of Envy based on this current Governments Politics of Envy. Its no longer OK to have achieved something in your life. Its no longer OK to own a nice car - because some people haven't achieved and can't afford one. It seems that shortly it will no longer be OK to have an A level - because this discrimates against people who couldn't pass one. Everyone will go to University - even if its a tenth class "honours" in Hairdressing.
I don't want to live in a culture where mediocrity is the only socially acceptable outcome of anything in particular.
I'm coming round to Dazren's point of view. Fcuk being reasonable. They aren't. So why should we be?
We will fight them...etc
Well said Don!
Culture of Envy sums it up nicely.
Government will discriminate against "those that have" with taxes, fines, quotas, you name it.
IMHO they're doing this kinda thing purely because they win more votes amongst the 'lower ebb' of society, not because of any higher ideals. (I'll stop now, the vote-grabbing comment is old hat).
What this country needs is "The Common Sense Party". Shame virtually nobody would vote for it, that would mean they had to read more than one box on that complicated ballot paper...
I read somewhere (can't rememeber where exactly) - but the mission of the left from the 40's/50's onwards was to "dumb-down" the masses to such a level where they wouldn't know the difference between good and bad and wouldn't be able to think for themselves.
The way to achieve this was to destroy the existing schools system and create an un/ill-educated underclass, numerically greater than the middle-class. This has been achieved and we are reaping the bitter harvest of the social experiment.
It is no longer acceptable to think for yourself - "Government" knows best.
The way to achieve this was to destroy the existing schools system and create an un/ill-educated underclass, numerically greater than the middle-class. This has been achieved and we are reaping the bitter harvest of the social experiment.
It is no longer acceptable to think for yourself - "Government" knows best.
Quote: "The same would apply to drivers doing more than 30mph in built-up areas. There should be massive fines (perhaps £5,000?), licences endorsed for the first offence and a larger fine, loss of licence and confiscation of the car on the second"
What is this guy on? Clearly he doesn't drive cause if he did he would notice that the entire population drives at over 30mph in built-up areas. They can't help it - nobody knows EXACTLY what speed they are doing cause SPEEDOMETERS are not that accurate. It's f**kwits like that that will be first against the wall when the revolution starts
What is this guy on? Clearly he doesn't drive cause if he did he would notice that the entire population drives at over 30mph in built-up areas. They can't help it - nobody knows EXACTLY what speed they are doing cause SPEEDOMETERS are not that accurate. It's f**kwits like that that will be first against the wall when the revolution starts
batfink said: I agreed on bigger fines for speeding in a 30 but £5000 is a bit OTT
Oh splendid. Bring it on. Fake plates for all, and guns are cheaper than a fine. What a way to start a civil way. Gangland is going to sort it out the rough war, and feel sorry for the poor traffic cop who has to stop an uzi carrying mobster.
[edited to spell war]
>> Edited by hertsbiker on Tuesday 5th November 11:09
mondeoman said: I read somewhere (can't rememeber where exactly) - but the mission of the left from the 40's/50's onwards was to "dumb-down" the masses to such a level where they wouldn't know the difference between good and bad and wouldn't be able to think for themselves.
The way to achieve this was to destroy the existing schools system and create an un/ill-educated underclass, numerically greater than the middle-class. This has been achieved and we are reaping the bitter harvest of the social experiment.
It is no longer acceptable to think for yourself - "Government" knows best.
But didn't comprehensive schooling, Corontation Street and Eastenders begin when the conservatives were in ...?
:tongueincheekmode: 
Culture of Envy, you're right, everyone wants to do down every one else. I think i want to get off this bus right now. The only problem is where to go. Sell the car & bike and go and live,
1 in a little cottage in the Lakes
2 in a little cottage in Cornwall (warmer/dryer than 1 above)
3 bu66er off to Spain (warmer/dryer than 1&2). Sell my house,small place for my girlfriend & I, no hassles...
Which one do I choose...might miss the car & bike for a while but won't wake up in the morning hating life and waiting for the next problem.
1 in a little cottage in the Lakes
2 in a little cottage in Cornwall (warmer/dryer than 1 above)
3 bu66er off to Spain (warmer/dryer than 1&2). Sell my house,small place for my girlfriend & I, no hassles...
Which one do I choose...might miss the car & bike for a while but won't wake up in the morning hating life and waiting for the next problem.
Tony - unless you have some particular reason for going to Spain, I'd consider somewhere like Poland or Hungary - buy a property now for 3 sheckles, develop & improve it using local labour.. sit and wait until they're into the EU and having billions spent there on our tax ticket.. then move out there..
CarZee said: Tony - unless you have some particular reason for going to Spain, I'd consider somewhere like Poland or Hungary - buy a property now for 3 sheckles, develop & improve it using local labour.. sit and wait until they're into the EU and having billions spent there on our tax ticket.. then move out there..
You need to be quick for this, the prices are no longer in the sheckles (unless in the middle of nowhere) and it is not easy to get a residency permit.
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