Op Snap submission question

[Mr Miata]

Hi, if you’ve submitted dashcam footage of someone else’s very dangerous driving and the date/time stamp of your own dashcam footage shows that you were over the speed limit. Can you end up self incriminating yourself and receive a NIP too?

Not persistent speeding, but 10%+3 for literally 1 second.

[zzrman]

I would have thought in theory yes but in practice given that your speedo isn´t calibrated I can´t imagine the Police would bother.

But if you want to be a busybody then if you live by the sword you´ll potentially die by it.

[LosingGrip]

Mr Miata said:

Hi, if you’ve submitted dashcam footage of someone else’s very dangerous driving and the date/time stamp of your own dashcam footage shows that you were over the speed limit. Can you end up self incriminating yourself and receive a NIP too?

Not persistent speeding, but 10%+3 for literally 1 second.

I review some of the OP Snap stuff. We have to deal with all offences. However, speed can not be dealt with via OP Snap.

That being said, a colleague submitted one and it was no further actioned because he was seen doing 66mph (in a 60) in the clip before handed (car pulled out in front of him. They said if he was doing the speed limit it may not have happened).

[Durzel]

zzrman said:

But if you want to be a busybody then if you live by the sword you´ll potentially die by it.

This.

I think the Police want 2 minutes either side of the incident so they can determine whether you were an aggravating factor in the driving (e.g. goading/tailgating).

If the speeding by the OP was egregious then the speed itself wouldn’t matter. I imagine they’d prosecute in that instance, but not if you wander over yourself, and particularly not “10%+3 for one second”.

[Robertb]

Mr Miata said:

Hi, if you’ve submitted dashcam footage of someone else’s very dangerous driving and the date/time stamp of your own dashcam footage shows that you were over the speed limit. Can you end up self incriminating yourself and receive a NIP too?

Not persistent speeding, but 10%+3 for literally 1 second.

GPS is not accurate, particularly over shorter distances/times. I can't imagine a prosecution purely on GPS evidence would hold and would require some other calculations eg speed between two known and measurable points.

[zzrman]

Durzel said:

I think the Police want 2 minutes either side of the incident so they can determine whether you were an aggravating factor in the driving (e.g. goading/tailgating).
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Yes. There was someone who posted a clip on here a few years ago of an overtake on the A44 heading away from Aberystwyth, saying how dangerous it was. I knew that road well and where the overtake was made was a perfectly safe place to do so. The poster didn't seem to realise that his clip showed him accelerating to block the overtake and the net result was him being hoist on his own petard as the ranks of PHers jumped on him big time.

[Pickled Piper]

Op, I would send it in. You can not be prosecuted for speeding on the basis of the footage, the worst that can happen is that they may decline to proceed further.

The two minutes of footage, either side of the alleged offence is only required by certain Constabularies. The operation snap portal that you use will confirm what is required.

[ShredderXLE]

I'm breaking the law but want the police to take action against someome who was breaking the law more than me.

Feels a bit unsavoury to me unless the video footage is a key piece of evidence in an accident investigation or something

[Triumph Man]

Operation snap makes me feel very uneasy…

[2020vision]

LosingGrip said:

I review some of the OP Snap stuff. We have to deal with all offences. However, speed can not be dealt with via OP Snap.

That being said, a colleague submitted one and it was no further actioned because he was seen doing 66mph (in a 60) in the clip before handed (car pulled out in front of him. They said if he was doing the speed limit it may not have happened).

it can, but your area choses not to.

[2020vision]

Pickled Piper said:

Op, I would send it in. You can not be prosecuted for speeding on the basis of the footage, the worst that can happen is that they may decline to proceed further.

The two minutes of footage, either side of the alleged offence is only required by certain Constabularies. The operation snap portal that you use will confirm what is required.

bad advice

[agtlaw]

Mr Miata said:

Hi, if you’ve submitted dashcam footage of someone else’s very dangerous driving and the date/time stamp of your own dashcam footage shows that you were over the speed limit. Can you end up self incriminating yourself and receive a NIP too?

Not persistent speeding, but 10%+3 for literally 1 second.

Not likely for 10%+3 for 1 second.

But it happens. For example, in November 2023, someone contacted me about the following situation.

Dashcam man filmed a police vehicle driving badly. He reported the police vehicle using the online portal (Operation Snap). However, dashcam man inadvertently sent in the wrong video file - which shows himself driving at nearly twice the speed limit with associated bad driving. Dashcam man received a Notice of Intended Prosecution in the post.

[MadCaptainJack]

Karma’s a bh.

[MustangGT]

agtlaw said:

Not likely for 10%+3 for 1 second.

Indeed, also bearing in mind that a GPS 10% + 3 is going to be much more on the speedo as well. Hardly inadvertent.

[2020vision]

Mr Miata said:

Hi, if you’ve submitted dashcam footage of someone else’s very dangerous driving and the date/time stamp of your own dashcam footage shows that you were over the speed limit. Can you end up self incriminating yourself and receive a NIP too?

Not persistent speeding, but 10%+3 for literally 1 second.

You will incriminate yourself, yes.
Whether a prosecution would occur from the speed you mention is unlikely, but that rather depends upon all of the circumstances.
Whether it is wise to send something in to incriminate another when you are committing and offence is open to debate.
I woukd say it is a bit silly to contemplate such a move, unless the other actions are dangerous.

[Terminator X]

zzrman said:

I would have thought in theory yes but in practice given that your speedo isn´t calibrated I can´t imagine the Police would bother.

But if you want to be a busybody then if you live by the sword you´ll potentially die by it.

I struggle to understand why anyone would do this. Just let the rozzers do their own job FFS.

TX.

[Condado]

Don’t agree with all of this op snap and associated “Grassing” people up in general. I am a bit of, a if it’s not directly affecting me or mine I am not really interested.
Also, if your footage shows potential offences on your driving, speed etc I would not be sure you wouldn’t be spoken too, potentially prosecuted for said offence.
My best advice to everyone if ever cautioned and interviewed is say nothing, reply no comment, and if it’s at a police station ALWAYS have a legal representative present no matter what the offence, it’s free when interviewed at a police station whether you are arrested or there as a voluntary attender.

[Simpo Two]

zzrman said:

I would have thought in theory yes but in practice given that your speedo isn´t calibrated I can´t imagine the Police would bother.

But if you want to be a busybody then if you live by the sword you´ll potentially die by it.

Bingo. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. But if you were really honest, you'd send it in and take the £100 fine.

Condado said:

Don’t agree with all of this op snap and associated “Grassing” people up in general.

This. It's not healthy.

[reddiesel]

Sadly and from experience , whenever I see a car equipped with dash cam , inevitably its being driven by a sanctimonious halfwit anxious to highlight the deficiencies of others whilst completely oblivious to his own .