Cambridgeshire Police noise testing?
Discussion
Purley out of interest where does the 80db limit come from? Is that a type approval thing ? Because there's lots of standard new cars that would.be louder than 80db.
For example the standard exhaust on my 208 tests at 84 to 87db at track days.
My other question is how would it be applied to my Q plated fury as it's tested to 1971 MOT rules. And it's definitely louder than 80db (but not obnoxious).
I'm not really interested in arguing about wether this is a good or bad. I'm interested in the regulation. As if your standard type approved car fails where do you stand on the ticket?
Even some pretty vanilla cars would fail this.
https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/ne...
For example the standard exhaust on my 208 tests at 84 to 87db at track days.
My other question is how would it be applied to my Q plated fury as it's tested to 1971 MOT rules. And it's definitely louder than 80db (but not obnoxious).
I'm not really interested in arguing about wether this is a good or bad. I'm interested in the regulation. As if your standard type approved car fails where do you stand on the ticket?
Even some pretty vanilla cars would fail this.
https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/ne...
t heap Ibiza with the pops and bangs map that lives opposite off the road I'd be eternally grateful. My standard 2015 Evora 400 is 80db at idle, but open the valves (which I do by default) and it is in theory running at 100db. At 7k, it'll hit 105db. Pottering around at 3k with the valves closed would be 90db.
Not sure how enforceable their approach is if the legislation states a higher limit.
Not sure how enforceable their approach is if the legislation states a higher limit.
Zephyr Speedshop said:
Purley out of interest where does the 80db limit come from? Is that a type approval thing ? Because there's lots of standard new cars that would.be louder than 80db.
Article doesn't say at what distance the 80dB is. Could be "drive-by"? Trackday tests are done 1m from the exhaust. ARHarh said:
Not had chance to read that, but if that's the case, why are the police testing to 80db ? There appears to be a difference between the police figure of 80dB and the legislation (that does not appear to mention 80dB anywhere..):
EDIT:
Wait a minute, the above from the link given is the 'Original as made'.
The latest version ( https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regu...) appears to have no effects, and points instead to The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 1995 (S.I. 1995/1201), regs. 1, 4:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1995/1201/cont...
which appears to say:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1995/1201/regu...
Zephyr Speedshop said:
Purley out of interest where does the 80db limit come from? Is that a type approval thing ? Because there's lots of standard new cars that would.be louder than 80db.
For example the standard exhaust on my 208 tests at 84 to 87db at track days.
My other question is how would it be applied to my Q plated fury as it's tested to 1971 MOT rules. And it's definitely louder than 80db (but not obnoxious).
I'm not really interested in arguing about wether this is a good or bad. I'm interested in the regulation. As if your standard type approved car fails where do you stand on the ticket?
Even some pretty vanilla cars would fail this.
https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/ne...
For example the standard exhaust on my 208 tests at 84 to 87db at track days.
My other question is how would it be applied to my Q plated fury as it's tested to 1971 MOT rules. And it's definitely louder than 80db (but not obnoxious).
I'm not really interested in arguing about wether this is a good or bad. I'm interested in the regulation. As if your standard type approved car fails where do you stand on the ticket?
Even some pretty vanilla cars would fail this.
https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/ne...
police article said:
The legal limit for cars is 80 decibels and it is illegal to modify an exhaust to be louder than this.
ARHarh said:
legislation said:
Noise limits—vehicles not subject to regulations 55 to 57, first used on or after 1st April 1970
58.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2) and in regulation 59, every wheeled motor vehicle which was first used on or after 1st April 1970 and which is not subject to regulations 55, 56 or 57 shall be so constructed that the sound level (A weighting) in decibels does not exceed the maximum permitted level shown in column 2 of the Table for the relevant class of vehicle shown in column 1, when the noise emitted by it is measured under the specified conditions using the prescribed apparatus.
...
(3) The definition of sound level (A weighting) in decibels contained in clause 2 of the British Standard Specification for Sound Level Meters published by the British Standards Institution on 7th September 1962 under the number BS 3539: 1962, as amended by Amendment Slip No. 1, numbered AMD22 and published on 1st July 1968, applies for the purposes of this regulation.
...
TABLE
(regulation 58(1))
1 2 3
Item Class of vehicle Maximum permitted sound level in dB(A)
1 Motor cycle of which the cylinder capacity of the engine does not exceed 50 cc 77
2 Motor cycle of which the cylinder capacity of the engine exceeds 50 cc but does not exceed 125 cc 82
3 Motor cycle of which the cylinder capacity of the engine exceeds 125 cc 86
4 Goods vehicle to which regulation 66 applies and which is equipped with a plate complying with the requirements of regulation 66 and showing particulars of a maximum gross weight of more than 3560 kg 89
5 Motor car not being a goods vehicle of the kind described in item 4 above 85
6 Motor tractor 89
7 Locomotive 89
8 Agricultural motor vehicle 89
9 Works truck 89
10 Engineering plant 89
11 Passenger vehicle constructed for the carriage of more than 12 passengers exclusive of the driver 89
12 Any other passenger vehicle 84
13 Any other vehicle 85
Perhaps someone braver than I might stick their head above the parapet and ask where the 80dB figure comes from.58.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2) and in regulation 59, every wheeled motor vehicle which was first used on or after 1st April 1970 and which is not subject to regulations 55, 56 or 57 shall be so constructed that the sound level (A weighting) in decibels does not exceed the maximum permitted level shown in column 2 of the Table for the relevant class of vehicle shown in column 1, when the noise emitted by it is measured under the specified conditions using the prescribed apparatus.
...
(3) The definition of sound level (A weighting) in decibels contained in clause 2 of the British Standard Specification for Sound Level Meters published by the British Standards Institution on 7th September 1962 under the number BS 3539: 1962, as amended by Amendment Slip No. 1, numbered AMD22 and published on 1st July 1968, applies for the purposes of this regulation.
...
TABLE
(regulation 58(1))
1 2 3
Item Class of vehicle Maximum permitted sound level in dB(A)
1 Motor cycle of which the cylinder capacity of the engine does not exceed 50 cc 77
2 Motor cycle of which the cylinder capacity of the engine exceeds 50 cc but does not exceed 125 cc 82
3 Motor cycle of which the cylinder capacity of the engine exceeds 125 cc 86
4 Goods vehicle to which regulation 66 applies and which is equipped with a plate complying with the requirements of regulation 66 and showing particulars of a maximum gross weight of more than 3560 kg 89
5 Motor car not being a goods vehicle of the kind described in item 4 above 85
6 Motor tractor 89
7 Locomotive 89
8 Agricultural motor vehicle 89
9 Works truck 89
10 Engineering plant 89
11 Passenger vehicle constructed for the carriage of more than 12 passengers exclusive of the driver 89
12 Any other passenger vehicle 84
13 Any other vehicle 85
EDIT:
Wait a minute, the above from the link given is the 'Original as made'.
The latest version ( https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regu...) appears to have no effects, and points instead to The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 1995 (S.I. 1995/1201), regs. 1, 4:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1995/1201/cont...
which appears to say:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1995/1201/regu...
updated legislation said:
Amendments relating to diameter of wheels, power to weight ratio and noise limits
4. Regulations 21, 45 and 58 shall be omitted.
So what is the actual active legislation now in terms of noise?4. Regulations 21, 45 and 58 shall be omitted.
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Wednesday 16th October 11:04
carl_w said:
Zephyr Speedshop said:
Purley out of interest where does the 80db limit come from? Is that a type approval thing ? Because there's lots of standard new cars that would.be louder than 80db.
Article doesn't say at what distance the 80dB is. Could be "drive-by"? Trackday tests are done 1m from the exhaust. https://www.hse.gov.uk/noise/employers.htm
Not sure how Police measure their noise exposure over a " typical" 8 hour shift though.
RSTurboPaul said:
So what is the actual active legislation now in terms of noise?
I think this is the latest legislation stating 80db - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/ALL/?ur...Edited by RSTurboPaul on Wednesday 16th October 11:04
But they've further complicated it by having different limits for different ages and types. In 1978 the legal limit was 82db on new cars, now it's 72db dropping soon to 68db.
I don't know what happens if they catch you at the 82db stated on your 1978 V5.
Edited by CLK-GTR on Wednesday 16th October 11:41
Zephyr Speedshop said:
Purley out of interest where does the 80db limit come from? Is that a type approval thing ? Because there's lots of standard new cars that would.be louder than 80db.
For example the standard exhaust on my 208 tests at 84 to 87db at track days.
My other question is how would it be applied to my Q plated fury as it's tested to 1971 MOT rules. And it's definitely louder than 80db (but not obnoxious).
I'm not really interested in arguing about wether this is a good or bad. I'm interested in the regulation. As if your standard type approved car fails where do you stand on the ticket?
Even some pretty vanilla cars would fail this.
https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/ne...
I bet they'll do about 3 or 4 tests with this equipment, realise its very difficult to accurately test noise (refelctions, other traffic in the area etc) and it will all sit around not being usedFor example the standard exhaust on my 208 tests at 84 to 87db at track days.
My other question is how would it be applied to my Q plated fury as it's tested to 1971 MOT rules. And it's definitely louder than 80db (but not obnoxious).
I'm not really interested in arguing about wether this is a good or bad. I'm interested in the regulation. As if your standard type approved car fails where do you stand on the ticket?
Even some pretty vanilla cars would fail this.
https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/ne...
CLK-GTR said:
RSTurboPaul said:
So what is the actual active legislation now in terms of noise?
I think this is the latest legislation stating 80db - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/ALL/?ur...Edited by RSTurboPaul on Wednesday 16th October 11:04
But they've further complicated it by having different limits for different ages and types. In 1978 the legal limit was 82db on new cars, now it's 72db dropping soon to 68db.
I don't know what happens if they catch you at the 82db stated on your 1978 V5.
Edited by CLK-GTR on Wednesday 16th October 11:41
EU webpage said:
Date of document:
08/03/1977 Date of effect:
10/03/1977; Entry into force Date notif. Date of notification:
10/03/1977 Date of transposition:
31/03/1977; See Art 3 Date of end of validity: 30/06/2027; Repealed by 32014R0540
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32014R054008/03/1977 Date of effect:
10/03/1977; Entry into force Date notif. Date of notification:
10/03/1977 Date of transposition:
31/03/1977; See Art 3 Date of end of validity: 30/06/2027; Repealed by 32014R0540
Annex III appears to be indicating it is only valid for new vehicles from 2016?
carl_w said:
Zephyr Speedshop said:
Purley out of interest where does the 80db limit come from? Is that a type approval thing ? Because there's lots of standard new cars that would.be louder than 80db.
Article doesn't say at what distance the 80dB is. Could be "drive-by"? Trackday tests are done 1m from the exhaust. Panamax said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Great news.
+1Hopefully rolled out nationwide soon. It's absurd around here.
Trying not to get drawn on these comments. Whilst I agree with your sentiments. There's a few very annoying locals , in my area.
You would be pretty pissed off if you got a ticket or a section 59 (if you get 2 of them they can take your car away) in your standard car. Because it doesn't meet a number they have seemingly pulled out of thin air.
RSTurboPaul said:
CLK-GTR said:
RSTurboPaul said:
So what is the actual active legislation now in terms of noise?
I think this is the latest legislation stating 80db - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/ALL/?ur...Edited by RSTurboPaul on Wednesday 16th October 11:04
But they've further complicated it by having different limits for different ages and types. In 1978 the legal limit was 82db on new cars, now it's 72db dropping soon to 68db.
I don't know what happens if they catch you at the 82db stated on your 1978 V5.
Edited by CLK-GTR on Wednesday 16th October 11:41
EU webpage said:
Date of document:
08/03/1977 Date of effect:
10/03/1977; Entry into force Date notif. Date of notification:
10/03/1977 Date of transposition:
31/03/1977; See Art 3 Date of end of validity: 30/06/2027; Repealed by 32014R0540
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32014R054008/03/1977 Date of effect:
10/03/1977; Entry into force Date notif. Date of notification:
10/03/1977 Date of transposition:
31/03/1977; See Art 3 Date of end of validity: 30/06/2027; Repealed by 32014R0540
Annex III appears to be indicating it is only valid for new vehicles from 2016?
Zephyr Speedshop said:
Panamax said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Great news.
+1Hopefully rolled out nationwide soon. It's absurd around here.
Trying not to get drawn on these comments. Whilst I agree with your sentiments. There's a few very annoying locals , in my area.
You would be pretty pissed off if you got a ticket or a section 59 (if you get 2 of them they can take your car away) in your standard car. Because it doesn't meet a number they have seemingly pulled out of thin air.
Motorists could be given a fixed penalty notice for either failure to maintain the system or use of a vehicle with an altered system or excessive noise. They will also be issued a Section 59 warning which could result in their vehicle being seized.
If your car is standard from the factory and the test conducted at idle not sure how you will be getting a ticket of any description ?
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