Manchester Airport attack on police REFORM to prosecute

[kestral]

A statement for the REFORM party, THEY will prosecute those who attacked the police at Manchester airport 11 weeks ago.

This is very interesting.

All of it is very pertinent to all of what is going on with law and order in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbvGnIuT-Kg

[cobra kid]

How do they prosecute them?

[TheRainMaker]

cobra kid said:

How do they prosecute them?

The same way the CPS would.

[cobra kid]

TheRainMaker said:

cobra kid said:

How do they prosecute them?

The same way the CPS would.

I'm not being facetious, I honestly don't know. I thought you would have to be in power to do it.

[MrBogSmith]

I expect everything is on pause until the IPOC finalise their investigation into the police actions: https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/our-work/investig...

The IPOC are hardly known for doing things quickly.

It'd have been a lot more simple had the officer not kicked / stamped on the guy's head (people may need reminding what someone 'deserves' may be different from what is lawful).

cobra kid said:

TheRainMaker said:

cobra kid said:

How do they prosecute them?

The same way the CPS would.

I'm not being facetious, I honestly don't know. I thought you would have to be in power to do it.

Anyone can bring a private prosecution: https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/private-pros...

[ralphrj]

cobra kid said:

TheRainMaker said:

cobra kid said:

How do they prosecute them?

The same way the CPS would.

I'm not being facetious, I honestly don't know. I thought you would have to be in power to do it.

It would be a private prosecution which is a criminal proceeding brought by private citizen or organisation. For example, prosecutions brought by the RSPCA against people accused of animal cruelty or by FACT against sellers of dodgy set-top boxes.

[skyebear]

• Reform UK Party Ltd.

Have they launched a fundraiser for legal fees yet?

[markh1973]

kestral said:

A statement for the REFORM party, THEY will prosecute those who attacked the police at Manchester airport 11 weeks ago.

This is very interesting.

All of it is very pertinent to all of what is going on with law and order in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbvGnIuT-Kg

Would you like to share your opinion of "what is going on with law and order in the UK"?

[cobra kid]

Can I prosecute the officer stamping on heads?

[TheRainMaker]

cobra kid said:

Can I prosecute the officer stamping on heads?

For what?

But yes, you could if you wanted to.

[BikeBikeBIke]

I'm glad something is finally happening. In a sense, the system is working even if it's not quite the way we'd want it to.

I guess the scrotes don't get held on remand if there's a private prosecution, which is a bit scary.

[Drumroll]

More delusion from Reform.

how can they bring a prosecution? (yes I know they can do legally) How do they gather their evidence? As this is still an ongoing case, they won't get anything from the CPS etc. Any defendants will just say there is still an ongoing investigation and can not engage in anything Reform decide to do.

[BlackTails]

Publicity stunt, surely.

Of all the victims of crime who might need help with a private prosecution because the police won’t act, the err, police are an odd choice to help.

[qwerty360]

IMHO a problematic action;

I half expect they are hoping for the big issue I can see with this - by making it a political issue it becomes very difficult to ensure an impartial jury and therefore fair trial.
But if it gets thrown out they can blaim the government (despite it being their actions on grandstanding about doing a private prosecution that caused the problem)


Yes, IMHO bringing charges has been slow. Quick google had justice department stats on response times;

Currently for all offences:
Average time for police to decide to charge - 41 days.
Average for CPS decision (though from first police referal which will be shorter than above) - 46 days.
(And nearly another year on top before it gets through trial process)

(Source : https://criminal-justice-delivery-data-dashboards.... )

So we are just past the average time to prosecute for all offences, on a fairly major offence with moderate complexities (incident started on airplane, then continued in baggage reclaim, then continued + involved police (video), with possible excess force (if after any offences were committed) at airport exit.


The reality is why should this be fast tracked by government? There isn't an ongoing threat to justify rushing it ahead of other crimes (unlike recent riots).


It taking so long IS a massive issue; But that issue is widespread on the fact that ALL prosecutions are taking too long...

[Alex Z]

While anyone can bring a private prosecution, surely they’d need to have access to all of the evidence to be able to do so effectively.

That seems unlikely.

[C5_Steve]

skyebear said:

*Reform UK Party Ltd.

Have they launched a fundraiser for legal fees yet?

This.

That's exactly what will happen. Fundraiser for the fees, then magically they'll announce they've been blocked from action and cry legal interference, two tier justice etc etc. It has no basis in law and could actually be seen to prejudice the ongoing investigation. Just another stunt.

[Silvanus]

BlackTails said:

Publicity stunt, surely.

Of all the victims of crime who might need help with a private prosecution because the police won’t act, the err, police are an odd choice to help.

It's a definitely a publicity stunt

[donkmeister]

ralphrj said:

cobra kid said:

TheRainMaker said:

cobra kid said:

How do they prosecute them?

The same way the CPS would.

I'm not being facetious, I honestly don't know. I thought you would have to be in power to do it.

It would be a private prosecution which is a criminal proceeding brought by private citizen or organisation. For example, prosecutions brought by the RSPCA against people accused of animal cruelty or by FACT against sellers of dodgy set-top boxes.

TIL, thank you.

I always assumed that only CPS could bring criminal proceedings.

[Bill]

It's just grandstanding bks and they'll try to claim credit for making the CPS act.

[skyebear]

Reading the articles it seems they've only threatened to bring a private prosecution.