Menacing letter from TV Licensing
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I don’t have a TV licence nor do I need one. I have completed the relevant declaration. However, today I received a letter which states:
“Important news about your No Licence Needed status.
Our records show BBC iPlayer has been used.
Dear [me],
We've previously been told that a TV Licence is not needed at [my address].
However, our records show someone has used BBC Player on a number of occasions over recent weeks. The No Licence Needed status of this address is now invalid and will soon be cancelled.
Please get in touch before 04/09/24.
You need a TV Licence to be covered for everything on BBC Player.
It also covers you for all TV channels and live TV on streaming services. On any device.
So, to keep using iPlayer, please buy a licence.
You can either scan the QR Code or visit tvl.co.uk/pay
If you are already covered by a TV Licence, or you think a mistake has been made, please let us know immediately. Visit tvl.co.uk/watching-iplayer to find out what to do next.”
The small print at the bottom then reads:
“TV Licensing has used data sourced from Sagacity Solutions to inform the content of this letter. For more information about how TV Licensing collects, processes, stores and uses your data please see the TV Licensing Privacy Policy at tvl.co.uk/privacy
If you would like to know more about the use of your data held at Sagacity Solutions please contact the Data Protection Office, do@sagacitysolutions.co.uk or write to Sagacity Solutions, 120 Holborn, London, EC1N 2TD.”
I have not used BBC iPlayer. I deleted my account at the time I cancelled my TV licence a long time ago. Therefore the same email address I used for the no licence declaration has not also been used to log into BBC iPlayer.
Why has this letter been sent? What are they basing their assertion on? If you look carefully at the small print, the letter may be deliberately using misleading language, but technically is not explicitly saying me or someone at my address has viewed iPlayer, just that “someone” has. How could ‘Sagacity Solutions’ possibly know if BBC iPlayer has been watched unlawfully by me or my wife/kids living at the address? Is this just a fishing expedition?
I propose to make a renewed no licence declaration to keep them off my back for 2 years? Will this work? Or is it no longer possible due to them declaring my existing one invalid on spurious grounds?
“Important news about your No Licence Needed status.
Our records show BBC iPlayer has been used.
Dear [me],
We've previously been told that a TV Licence is not needed at [my address].
However, our records show someone has used BBC Player on a number of occasions over recent weeks. The No Licence Needed status of this address is now invalid and will soon be cancelled.
Please get in touch before 04/09/24.
You need a TV Licence to be covered for everything on BBC Player.
It also covers you for all TV channels and live TV on streaming services. On any device.
So, to keep using iPlayer, please buy a licence.
You can either scan the QR Code or visit tvl.co.uk/pay
If you are already covered by a TV Licence, or you think a mistake has been made, please let us know immediately. Visit tvl.co.uk/watching-iplayer to find out what to do next.”
The small print at the bottom then reads:
“TV Licensing has used data sourced from Sagacity Solutions to inform the content of this letter. For more information about how TV Licensing collects, processes, stores and uses your data please see the TV Licensing Privacy Policy at tvl.co.uk/privacy
If you would like to know more about the use of your data held at Sagacity Solutions please contact the Data Protection Office, do@sagacitysolutions.co.uk or write to Sagacity Solutions, 120 Holborn, London, EC1N 2TD.”
I have not used BBC iPlayer. I deleted my account at the time I cancelled my TV licence a long time ago. Therefore the same email address I used for the no licence declaration has not also been used to log into BBC iPlayer.
Why has this letter been sent? What are they basing their assertion on? If you look carefully at the small print, the letter may be deliberately using misleading language, but technically is not explicitly saying me or someone at my address has viewed iPlayer, just that “someone” has. How could ‘Sagacity Solutions’ possibly know if BBC iPlayer has been watched unlawfully by me or my wife/kids living at the address? Is this just a fishing expedition?
I propose to make a renewed no licence declaration to keep them off my back for 2 years? Will this work? Or is it no longer possible due to them declaring my existing one invalid on spurious grounds?
alock said:
Your first mistake was declaring you don't need a license. Just ignore them.
How many other private companies do make a declaration to that you don't use their services?
The declaration is supposed to keep them off your back for 2 years although this letter suggests they are now trying to find ways around that. I can’t believe the state broadcaster can get away with misleading letters containing slanderous lies in an effort to trick and/or intimidate you into buying a TV licence.How many other private companies do make a declaration to that you don't use their services?
Sagacity solutions appear to be here - https://www.sagacitysolutions.co.uk/
Go ask their chatbot.
I filled in that form when I moved house around 5 years ago. I didn't fill in another one and I throw all their threatening letters in the bin.
Go ask their chatbot.
I filled in that form when I moved house around 5 years ago. I didn't fill in another one and I throw all their threatening letters in the bin.
We bought our house up North a few years before I left the army. We popped up at weekends but it was empty other than a bed and a few conservatory seats. We had a huge collection of those letters. Depending on if i could be bothered, they'd either go straight in the bin or I'd write a sarcastic response (I was bored, no tv 
).
The local council were worse, we found out from a neighbour they used to send a jobsworth around to look in the windows to make sure we weren't living there.
). The local council were worse, we found out from a neighbour they used to send a jobsworth around to look in the windows to make sure we weren't living there.
I haven't had a TV, nor any reason to buy a license >20yrs.
I dutifully fill-in the declaration online every time they ask; always have. Sometimes, still, I get the kind of haranguing letter that suggests I'm infringing ( - I am not!)
When that happens - oh - Ienjoy breaking out the purple& orange Crayolas, and scribbling, wrong-handed 'tV is the WERK OF TEH DEVIL!" or v similar across the letter in various ways & colours across sides - and dutifully sending it back, in the post-paid envelope, in time.
No: I don't get harrassed, very often... maybe 3 times in 20yrs here!
I dutifully fill-in the declaration online every time they ask; always have. Sometimes, still, I get the kind of haranguing letter that suggests I'm infringing ( - I am not!)
When that happens - oh - Ienjoy breaking out the purple& orange Crayolas, and scribbling, wrong-handed 'tV is the WERK OF TEH DEVIL!" or v similar across the letter in various ways & colours across sides - and dutifully sending it back, in the post-paid envelope, in time.
No: I don't get harrassed, very often... maybe 3 times in 20yrs here!
AudiMan9000 said:
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“TV Licensing has used data sourced from Sagacity Solutions to inform the content of this letter. For more information about how TV Licensing collects, processes, stores and uses your data please see the TV Licensing Privacy Policy at tvl.co.uk/privacy
If you would like to know more about the use of your data held at Sagacity Solutions please contact the Data Protection Office, do@sagacitysolutions.co.uk or write to Sagacity Solutions, 120 Holborn, London, EC1N 2TD.”
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f“TV Licensing has used data sourced from Sagacity Solutions to inform the content of this letter. For more information about how TV Licensing collects, processes, stores and uses your data please see the TV Licensing Privacy Policy at tvl.co.uk/privacy
If you would like to know more about the use of your data held at Sagacity Solutions please contact the Data Protection Office, do@sagacitysolutions.co.uk or write to Sagacity Solutions, 120 Holborn, London, EC1N 2TD.”
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k that. Write to the BBC/this collection agency and ask THEM for the data they hold about you. It will include the data they have from Sagacity as well as any other information they hold and will - if nothing else - piss them off to have to go to the effort of producing all their data for you.Voldemort said:
AudiMan9000 said:
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“TV Licensing has used data sourced from Sagacity Solutions to inform the content of this letter. For more information about how TV Licensing collects, processes, stores and uses your data please see the TV Licensing Privacy Policy at tvl.co.uk/privacy
If you would like to know more about the use of your data held at Sagacity Solutions please contact the Data Protection Office, do@sagacitysolutions.co.uk or write to Sagacity Solutions, 120 Holborn, London, EC1N 2TD.”
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f“TV Licensing has used data sourced from Sagacity Solutions to inform the content of this letter. For more information about how TV Licensing collects, processes, stores and uses your data please see the TV Licensing Privacy Policy at tvl.co.uk/privacy
If you would like to know more about the use of your data held at Sagacity Solutions please contact the Data Protection Office, do@sagacitysolutions.co.uk or write to Sagacity Solutions, 120 Holborn, London, EC1N 2TD.”
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k that. Write to the BBC/this collection agency and ask THEM for the data they hold about you. It will include the data they have from Sagacity as well as any other information they hold and will - if nothing else - piss them off to have to go to the effort of producing all their data for you.The plot thickens.
Found this video on YouTube…
https://youtu.be/wsgo0yu1tQg?feature=shared
Seems Sagacity are selling people’s data to various organisations.
Found this video on YouTube…
https://youtu.be/wsgo0yu1tQg?feature=shared
Seems Sagacity are selling people’s data to various organisations.
AudiMan9000 said:
I don’t have a TV licence nor do I need one. I have completed the relevant declaration. However, today I received a letter which states:
“Important news about your No Licence Needed status.
Our records show BBC iPlayer has been used.
Dear [me],
We've previously been told that a TV Licence is not needed at [my address].
However, our records show someone has used BBC Player on a number of occasions over recent weeks. The No Licence Needed status of this address is now invalid and will soon be cancelled.
Please get in touch before 04/09/24.
You need a TV Licence to be covered for everything on BBC Player.
It also covers you for all TV channels and live TV on streaming services. On any device.
So, to keep using iPlayer, please buy a licence.
You can either scan the QR Code or visit tvl.co.uk/pay
If you are already covered by a TV Licence, or you think a mistake has been made, please let us know immediately. Visit tvl.co.uk/watching-iplayer to find out what to do next.”
The small print at the bottom then reads:
“TV Licensing has used data sourced from Sagacity Solutions to inform the content of this letter. For more information about how TV Licensing collects, processes, stores and uses your data please see the TV Licensing Privacy Policy at tvl.co.uk/privacy
If you would like to know more about the use of your data held at Sagacity Solutions please contact the Data Protection Office, do@sagacitysolutions.co.uk or write to Sagacity Solutions, 120 Holborn, London, EC1N 2TD.”
I have not used BBC iPlayer. I deleted my account at the time I cancelled my TV licence a long time ago. Therefore the same email address I used for the no licence declaration has not also been used to log into BBC iPlayer.
Why has this letter been sent? What are they basing their assertion on? If you look carefully at the small print, the letter may be deliberately using misleading language, but technically is not explicitly saying me or someone at my address has viewed iPlayer, just that “someone” has. How could ‘Sagacity Solutions’ possibly know if BBC iPlayer has been watched unlawfully by me or my wife/kids living at the address? Is this just a fishing expedition?
I propose to make a renewed no licence declaration to keep them off my back for 2 years? Will this work? Or is it no longer possible due to them declaring my existing one invalid on spurious grounds?
Is this about you ?“Important news about your No Licence Needed status.
Our records show BBC iPlayer has been used.
Dear [me],
We've previously been told that a TV Licence is not needed at [my address].
However, our records show someone has used BBC Player on a number of occasions over recent weeks. The No Licence Needed status of this address is now invalid and will soon be cancelled.
Please get in touch before 04/09/24.
You need a TV Licence to be covered for everything on BBC Player.
It also covers you for all TV channels and live TV on streaming services. On any device.
So, to keep using iPlayer, please buy a licence.
You can either scan the QR Code or visit tvl.co.uk/pay
If you are already covered by a TV Licence, or you think a mistake has been made, please let us know immediately. Visit tvl.co.uk/watching-iplayer to find out what to do next.”
The small print at the bottom then reads:
“TV Licensing has used data sourced from Sagacity Solutions to inform the content of this letter. For more information about how TV Licensing collects, processes, stores and uses your data please see the TV Licensing Privacy Policy at tvl.co.uk/privacy
If you would like to know more about the use of your data held at Sagacity Solutions please contact the Data Protection Office, do@sagacitysolutions.co.uk or write to Sagacity Solutions, 120 Holborn, London, EC1N 2TD.”
I have not used BBC iPlayer. I deleted my account at the time I cancelled my TV licence a long time ago. Therefore the same email address I used for the no licence declaration has not also been used to log into BBC iPlayer.
Why has this letter been sent? What are they basing their assertion on? If you look carefully at the small print, the letter may be deliberately using misleading language, but technically is not explicitly saying me or someone at my address has viewed iPlayer, just that “someone” has. How could ‘Sagacity Solutions’ possibly know if BBC iPlayer has been watched unlawfully by me or my wife/kids living at the address? Is this just a fishing expedition?
I propose to make a renewed no licence declaration to keep them off my back for 2 years? Will this work? Or is it no longer possible due to them declaring my existing one invalid on spurious grounds?
https://youtu.be/97lApEdvF7Q?si=oZb6X9NrBmhGplV6
AudiMan9000 said:
The plot thickens.
Found this video on YouTube…
https://youtu.be/wsgo0yu1tQg?feature=shared
Seems Sagacity are selling people’s data to various organisations.
The chap on the right is definitely on a list. Found this video on YouTube…
https://youtu.be/wsgo0yu1tQg?feature=shared
Seems Sagacity are selling people’s data to various organisations.
My view is don't self-declare, don't reply to them, simply don't engage with them.
Treat it as a a fun exercise in seeing how far they go, you'll get many many letters. Your postman may give you strange looks as a criminal evader - can you imagine any other organisation being so indiscreet and revealing your possible financial status on the front of envelopes? If you get a knock on the door, tell them that you'll get your licence and then go for a 20 minute leg numbing bertha.
Treat it as a a fun exercise in seeing how far they go, you'll get many many letters. Your postman may give you strange looks as a criminal evader - can you imagine any other organisation being so indiscreet and revealing your possible financial status on the front of envelopes? If you get a knock on the door, tell them that you'll get your licence and then go for a 20 minute leg numbing bertha.
vikingaero said:
My view is don't self-declare, don't reply to them, simply don't engage with them.
Treat it as a a fun exercise in seeing how far they go, you'll get many many letters. Your postman may give you strange looks as a criminal evader - can you imagine any other organisation being so indiscreet and revealing your possible financial status on the front of envelopes? If you get a knock on the door, tell them that you'll get your licence and then go for a 20 minute leg numbing bertha.
I would agree with you if I lived alone i'd get some amusement out of it but I know if I wasn't home and my wife or teenage daughter answered the door they would likely be quite upset by the experience. Treat it as a a fun exercise in seeing how far they go, you'll get many many letters. Your postman may give you strange looks as a criminal evader - can you imagine any other organisation being so indiscreet and revealing your possible financial status on the front of envelopes? If you get a knock on the door, tell them that you'll get your licence and then go for a 20 minute leg numbing bertha.
I completed a declaration and never heard a thing since other than a confirmation I have completed the declaration.
vindaloo79 said:
AudiMan9000 said:
I don’t have a TV licence nor do I need one. I have completed the relevant declaration. However, today I received a letter which states:
“Important news about your No Licence Needed status.
Our records show BBC iPlayer has been used.
Dear [me],
We've previously been told that a TV Licence is not needed at [my address].
However, our records show someone has used BBC Player on a number of occasions over recent weeks. The No Licence Needed status of this address is now invalid and will soon be cancelled.
Please get in touch before 04/09/24.
You need a TV Licence to be covered for everything on BBC Player.
It also covers you for all TV channels and live TV on streaming services. On any device.
So, to keep using iPlayer, please buy a licence.
You can either scan the QR Code or visit tvl.co.uk/pay
If you are already covered by a TV Licence, or you think a mistake has been made, please let us know immediately. Visit tvl.co.uk/watching-iplayer to find out what to do next.”
The small print at the bottom then reads:
“TV Licensing has used data sourced from Sagacity Solutions to inform the content of this letter. For more information about how TV Licensing collects, processes, stores and uses your data please see the TV Licensing Privacy Policy at tvl.co.uk/privacy
If you would like to know more about the use of your data held at Sagacity Solutions please contact the Data Protection Office, do@sagacitysolutions.co.uk or write to Sagacity Solutions, 120 Holborn, London, EC1N 2TD.”
I have not used BBC iPlayer. I deleted my account at the time I cancelled my TV licence a long time ago. Therefore the same email address I used for the no licence declaration has not also been used to log into BBC iPlayer.
Why has this letter been sent? What are they basing their assertion on? If you look carefully at the small print, the letter may be deliberately using misleading language, but technically is not explicitly saying me or someone at my address has viewed iPlayer, just that “someone” has. How could ‘Sagacity Solutions’ possibly know if BBC iPlayer has been watched unlawfully by me or my wife/kids living at the address? Is this just a fishing expedition?
I propose to make a renewed no licence declaration to keep them off my back for 2 years? Will this work? Or is it no longer possible due to them declaring my existing one invalid on spurious grounds?
Is this about you ?“Important news about your No Licence Needed status.
Our records show BBC iPlayer has been used.
Dear [me],
We've previously been told that a TV Licence is not needed at [my address].
However, our records show someone has used BBC Player on a number of occasions over recent weeks. The No Licence Needed status of this address is now invalid and will soon be cancelled.
Please get in touch before 04/09/24.
You need a TV Licence to be covered for everything on BBC Player.
It also covers you for all TV channels and live TV on streaming services. On any device.
So, to keep using iPlayer, please buy a licence.
You can either scan the QR Code or visit tvl.co.uk/pay
If you are already covered by a TV Licence, or you think a mistake has been made, please let us know immediately. Visit tvl.co.uk/watching-iplayer to find out what to do next.”
The small print at the bottom then reads:
“TV Licensing has used data sourced from Sagacity Solutions to inform the content of this letter. For more information about how TV Licensing collects, processes, stores and uses your data please see the TV Licensing Privacy Policy at tvl.co.uk/privacy
If you would like to know more about the use of your data held at Sagacity Solutions please contact the Data Protection Office, do@sagacitysolutions.co.uk or write to Sagacity Solutions, 120 Holborn, London, EC1N 2TD.”
I have not used BBC iPlayer. I deleted my account at the time I cancelled my TV licence a long time ago. Therefore the same email address I used for the no licence declaration has not also been used to log into BBC iPlayer.
Why has this letter been sent? What are they basing their assertion on? If you look carefully at the small print, the letter may be deliberately using misleading language, but technically is not explicitly saying me or someone at my address has viewed iPlayer, just that “someone” has. How could ‘Sagacity Solutions’ possibly know if BBC iPlayer has been watched unlawfully by me or my wife/kids living at the address? Is this just a fishing expedition?
I propose to make a renewed no licence declaration to keep them off my back for 2 years? Will this work? Or is it no longer possible due to them declaring my existing one invalid on spurious grounds?
https://youtu.be/97lApEdvF7Q?si=oZb6X9NrBmhGplV6
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