7am knock on the door, before bashing it in. No warrant
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Any Plod or legal types around ?
This morning my step son got a knock on the door, got up to answer it, and bang, the door went through and 9 coppers steamed in.
He said WTF, they said they heard movement after knoccking on the door, as you would if someone got up to answer it.
Searched the house, made him open his safe, through the drawers, the lot, then asked him who he was and for ID to prove it.
They had no clue who was living there, he has for just over a year, gave a name of a person they were looking for and if he knew him, everyone does, so they can avoid the drunken theiving idiot, but not pals and he has not even seen him around the area for over 2 years.
The only paperwork left was a scrap of paper with a coppers name and number, and some form about getting the door fixed.
NO SEARCH WARRANT. Neither was he shown one, and off they f
ked as quick as they arrived.
Is this legal ?
This morning my step son got a knock on the door, got up to answer it, and bang, the door went through and 9 coppers steamed in.
He said WTF, they said they heard movement after knoccking on the door, as you would if someone got up to answer it.
Searched the house, made him open his safe, through the drawers, the lot, then asked him who he was and for ID to prove it.
They had no clue who was living there, he has for just over a year, gave a name of a person they were looking for and if he knew him, everyone does, so they can avoid the drunken theiving idiot, but not pals and he has not even seen him around the area for over 2 years.
The only paperwork left was a scrap of paper with a coppers name and number, and some form about getting the door fixed.
NO SEARCH WARRANT. Neither was he shown one, and off they f
ked as quick as they arrived. Is this legal ?
anyoldcardave said:
Any Plod or legal types around ?
This morning my step son got a knock on the door, got up to answer it, and bang, the door went through and 9 coppers steamed in.
He said WTF, they said they heard movement after knoccking on the door, as you would if someone got up to answer it.
Searched the house, made him open his safe, through the drawers, the lot, then asked him who he was and for ID to prove it.
They had no clue who was living there, he has for just over a year, gave a name of a person they were looking for and if he knew him, everyone does, so they can avoid the drunken theiving idiot, but not pals and he has not even seen him around the area for over 2 years.
The only paperwork left was a scrap of paper with a coppers name and number, and some form about getting the door fixed.
NO SEARCH WARRANT. Neither was he shown one, and off they fked as quick as they arrived.
Is this legal ?
I'm guessing we are not getting full details?This morning my step son got a knock on the door, got up to answer it, and bang, the door went through and 9 coppers steamed in.
He said WTF, they said they heard movement after knoccking on the door, as you would if someone got up to answer it.
Searched the house, made him open his safe, through the drawers, the lot, then asked him who he was and for ID to prove it.
They had no clue who was living there, he has for just over a year, gave a name of a person they were looking for and if he knew him, everyone does, so they can avoid the drunken theiving idiot, but not pals and he has not even seen him around the area for over 2 years.
The only paperwork left was a scrap of paper with a coppers name and number, and some form about getting the door fixed.
NO SEARCH WARRANT. Neither was he shown one, and off they f
ked as quick as they arrived. Is this legal ?
What were they searching the house for, the bloke they were after?
It could have been legal under Sec 17 of PACE if the chap they were after is wanted, he's linked to the address and they had grounds to suspect he was in there.
Unless there was a warrant I'm not sure what power they were using to ask for the safe to be opened unless it's big enough to contain a person.
It could have been legal under Sec 17 of PACE if the chap they were after is wanted, he's linked to the address and they had grounds to suspect he was in there.
Unless there was a warrant I'm not sure what power they were using to ask for the safe to be opened unless it's big enough to contain a person.
Peterpetrole said:
Made him open his safe? On pain of what?
Reading between the lines has he associated with a scumbag in the past?
I have no idea why they wanted the safe open, was not there,Reading between the lines has he associated with a scumbag in the past?
No, does not even have a phone number for him.
As I said, they did not have a clue who lived there, asked who he was and for him to prove it. Surely they should know who is registered at an address they are going to raid, and have a warrant to do so ?
The scumbag has not ever been registered as living there, so not an error on dates.
anyoldcardave said:
Peterpetrole said:
Made him open his safe? On pain of what?
Reading between the lines has he associated with a scumbag in the past?
I have no idea why they wanted the safe open, was not there,Reading between the lines has he associated with a scumbag in the past?
No, does not even have a phone number for him.
As I said, they did not have a clue who lived there, asked who he was and for him to prove it. Surely they should know who is registered at an address they are going to raid, and have a warrant to do so ?
The scumbag has not ever been registered as living there, so not an error on dates.
Not that surprising the police would come looking? Compared to say bashing my door down instead?
Greendubber said:
What were they searching the house for, the bloke they were after?
It could have been legal under Sec 17 of PACE if the chap they were after is wanted, he's linked to the address and they had grounds to suspect he was in there.
Unless there was a warrant I'm not sure what power they were using to ask for the safe to be opened unless it's big enough to contain a person.
A constable must have grounds to believe the person is in the property to enter to arrest them under s17(2) PACE. The mental element changes from believe to suspect when a constable enters to save life and limb or prevent serious damage under s17, everything else is believe. It could have been legal under Sec 17 of PACE if the chap they were after is wanted, he's linked to the address and they had grounds to suspect he was in there.
Unless there was a warrant I'm not sure what power they were using to ask for the safe to be opened unless it's big enough to contain a person.
paulrockliffe said:
Greendubber said:
Did they actually force entry or did he open the door?
The OP seems to have covered this in a fairly easy to understand way - did you read all the post?OP states 'He got up to answer it' and the door went in. Did they push it open as he opened it and enter did they kick it off the hinges before he got to it and come in.
Details matter, hence why I asked
If the time taken between knocking and getting up to open the door is too long, the police will use the big red key to smash the door in to prevent evidence being disposed of. If they have reasonable suspicion that the person they are investigating has a link with the property, they will be interested in that property. If drugs are involved they have been known to check the connected sewers, just in case the drugs get flushed during the interval between knocking and gaining entry, hence the use of the big red key.
Mr.Chips said:
If the time taken between knocking and getting up to open the door is too long, the police will use the big red key to smash the door in to prevent evidence being disposed of. If they have reasonable suspicion that the person they are investigating has a link with the property, they will be interested in that property. If drugs are involved they have been known to check the connected sewers, just in case the drugs get flushed during the interval between knocking and gaining entry, hence the use of the big red key.
Which would require a warrant to enter the property…rambo19 said:
More to this me thinks.....
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