NIP reply

[covboy]

A random thought from tonight while setting up a Keepsafe date with Royal Mail for an upcoming holiday. What if a NIP was due to be served during that period but was held up by the Post Office and delivery wasn't due to recomence until after the 14 day NIP issuing period. I'm sure there nust be some overiding factor for this - Any ideas/suggestions ?

[dibblecorse]

Once delivered to your Keepsake guardian it would be deemed delivered in the same was as if it were pushed through your letterbox but you were on holiday and not there to open it.

[lancslad58]

covboy said:

A random thought from tonight while setting up a Keepsafe date with Royal Mail for an upcoming holiday. What if a NIP was due to be served during that period but was held up by the Post Office and delivery wasn't due to recomence until after the 14 day NIP issuing period. I'm sure there nust be some overiding factor for this - Any ideas/suggestions ?

There's already a thread on here somehwere discussing this, you just need to find it.

[ferret50]

Last Febuary I triggered an ATM whilst en route to a ferry into Euroland. I was abroad for two months and returned to a NIP and a reminder...

I completed the NIP and enclosed a copy of my ferry ticket with a covering letter, I was offered, and accepted, their kind offer of a brain washing course.

[cobra kid]

ferret50 said:

Last Febuary I triggered an ATM whilst en route to a ferry into Euroland. I was abroad for two months and returned to a NIP and a reminder...

I completed the NIP and enclosed a copy of my ferry ticket with a covering letter, I was offered, and accepted, their kind offer of a brain washing course.

So you were speeding then.

[Tony1963]

Whenever I’m away for more than a few days, I’m even more careful than usual to not collect a ticket in the two weeks or so beforehand.

[cobra kid]

Tony1963 said:

Whenever I’m away for more than a few days, I’m even more careful than usual to not collect a ticket in the two weeks or so beforehand.

I got mine (the other thread) as I was driving to go on holiday. I saw it on the bridge as I stamped on the brake. It took the edge off the week away, fearing the envelope waiting on my arrival.

[E-bmw]

Tony1963 said:

Whenever I’m away for more than a few days, I’m even more careful than usual to not collect a ticket in the two weeks or so beforehand.

As I go away for 2 weeks every 4, I too am extra careful in the proceeding 2 weeks.

[ferret50]

cobra kid said:

ferret50 said:

Last Febuary I triggered an ATM whilst en route to a ferry into Euroland. I was abroad for two months and returned to a NIP and a reminder...

I completed the NIP and enclosed a copy of my ferry ticket with a covering letter, I was offered, and accepted, their kind offer of a brain washing course.

So you were speeding then.

36 in a 30, on a road with poor street lighting at 4am, m'lord.

But I did hope that my tale of woe may have helped to offer you a little help!

[Sheepshanks]

ferret50 said:

Last Febuary I triggered an ATM whilst en route to a ferry into Euroland. I was abroad for two months and returned to a NIP and a reminder...

I completed the NIP and enclosed a copy of my ferry ticket with a covering letter, I was offered, and accepted, their kind offer of a brain washing course.

Based on family experience, you might have been lucky getting the course - there's a limit of 4mths from date of offence, and, maybe they do it on purpose, but my wife and daughter both got done for 36 in 30's, all the paperwork was done quickly and they were both only offered date options towards the end of the 4mth window.

Having said that, a colleague with a company lease car got caught on the M42 (46 in variable 40 at 6.15AM for no apparent reason) and the paperwork got lost for a while and he wasn't offered a course, He rang someone up (ticket office?) and pleaded and they got him on a course in a few days but it had to be that day. When he attented the course, most of the people on it had been caught the same way.

[cobra kid]

ferret50 said:

cobra kid said:

ferret50 said:

Last Febuary I triggered an ATM whilst en route to a ferry into Euroland. I was abroad for two months and returned to a NIP and a reminder...

I completed the NIP and enclosed a copy of my ferry ticket with a covering letter, I was offered, and accepted, their kind offer of a brain washing course.

So you were speeding then.

36 in a 30, on a road with poor street lighting at 4am, m'lord.

But I did hope that my tale of woe may have helped to offer you a little help!

It's your use of "brain washing course" in various threads. As if they aren't needed. You (and me) broke the law, why should we get away with it?

[Hungrymc]

E-bmw said:

Tony1963 said:

Whenever I’m away for more than a few days, I’m even more careful than usual to not collect a ticket in the two weeks or so beforehand.

As I go away for 2 weeks every 4, I too am extra careful in the proceeding 2 weeks.

Doesn’t that mean extra careful all the time you are not away ?

[E-bmw]

Hungrymc said:

E-bmw said:

Tony1963 said:

Whenever I’m away for more than a few days, I’m even more careful than usual to not collect a ticket in the two weeks or so beforehand.

As I go away for 2 weeks every 4, I too am extra careful in the proceeding 2 weeks.

Doesn’t that mean extra careful all the time you are not away ?

Strange how sarcasm doesn't come out in the written word.

[ferret50]

cobra kid said:

ferret50 said:

cobra kid said:

ferret50 said:

Last Febuary I triggered an ATM whilst en route to a ferry into Euroland. I was abroad for two months and returned to a NIP and a reminder...

I completed the NIP and enclosed a copy of my ferry ticket with a covering letter, I was offered, and accepted, their kind offer of a brain washing course.

So you were speeding then.

36 in a 30, on a road with poor street lighting at 4am, m'lord.

But I did hope that my tale of woe may have helped to offer you a little help!

It's your use of "brain washing course" in various threads. As if they aren't needed. You (and me) broke the law, why should we get away with it?

A very minor infringement, in my case, at a time of the day when even little darlings are safely tucked up in bed, really should have been given the benifit of doubt.

The 'Speed Awareness Course', or brain washing course is a joke a minute, on my course we were told that all vehicles stop in the same distance that the Highway Code states, regardless of vehicle wieght or driver awareness or braking system fitted.

But, 'computer says', so they must be right, correct?

[E-bmw]

ferret50 said:

cobra kid said:

ferret50 said:

cobra kid said:

ferret50 said:

Last Febuary I triggered an ATM whilst en route to a ferry into Euroland. I was abroad for two months and returned to a NIP and a reminder...

I completed the NIP and enclosed a copy of my ferry ticket with a covering letter, I was offered, and accepted, their kind offer of a brain washing course.

So you were speeding then.

36 in a 30, on a road with poor street lighting at 4am, m'lord.

But I did hope that my tale of woe may have helped to offer you a little help!

It's your use of "brain washing course" in various threads. As if they aren't needed. You (and me) broke the law, why should we get away with it?

A very minor infringement, in my case, at a time of the day when even little darlings are safely tucked up in bed, really should have been given the benifit of doubt.

Why?

[ferret50]

E-bmw said:

ferret50 said:

cobra kid said:

ferret50 said:

cobra kid said:

ferret50 said:

Last Febuary I triggered an ATM whilst en route to a ferry into Euroland. I was abroad for two months and returned to a NIP and a reminder...

I completed the NIP and enclosed a copy of my ferry ticket with a covering letter, I was offered, and accepted, their kind offer of a brain washing course.

So you were speeding then.

36 in a 30, on a road with poor street lighting at 4am, m'lord.

But I did hope that my tale of woe may have helped to offer you a little help!

It's your use of "brain washing course" in various threads. As if they aren't needed. You (and me) broke the law, why should we get away with it?

A very minor infringement, in my case, at a time of the day when even little darlings are safely tucked up in bed, really should have been given the benifit of doubt.

Why?

In the olden days, when we still had policemen out on patrol, two of them may have observed that my speed was a little over the limit and sounded their bell to stop me.
They would have walked around my camper van and noted the four brand new tyres and all of the fully functioning lights, had a chat with me and noted the lack of alcohol on my breath and discovered that we were en route to catch a ferry for an extended trip abroad. They would have noted that it was 4.15am and we were the only moving vehicles on the road.
They would then have asked me to keep a closer check on my speed and wished me a safe journey.

These days a roadside device flashes a light, followed by a computer sending out a letter.
No leeway allowed in the system.
And no plod out on patrol either.

That's why, OK?

[Chrisgr31]

ferret50 said:

In the olden days, when we still had policemen out on patrol, two of them may have observed that my speed was a little over the limit and sounded their bell to stop me.
They would have walked around my camper van and noted the four brand new tyres and all of the fully functioning lights, had a chat with me and noted the lack of alcohol on my breath and discovered that we were en route to catch a ferry for an extended trip abroad. They would have noted that it was 4.15am and we were the only moving vehicles on the road.
They would then have asked me to keep a closer check on my speed and wished me a safe journey.

These days a roadside device flashes a light, followed by a computer sending out a letter.
No leeway allowed in the system.
And no plod out on patrol either.

That's why, OK?

Exactly this. A police officer stopping a driver has discretion which then can use bearing in mind other factors like traffic, pedestrians, time of day, attitude etc.

I suspect an immediate lecture from a police officer is more effective than a speed awareness course and almost everyone I know caught by a camera blames the camera, no one I know caught by a police officer blames the police officer!

I also think marked cars doing speed enforcement is a greater deterrent than a camera

[Pica-Pica]

ferret50 said:

In the olden days, when we still had policemen out on patrol, two of them may have observed that my speed was a little over the limit and sounded their bell to stop me.
They would have walked around my camper van and noted the four brand new tyres and all of the fully functioning lights, had a chat with me and noted the lack of alcohol on my breath and discovered that we were en route to catch a ferry for an extended trip abroad. They would have noted that it was 4.15am and we were the only moving vehicles on the road.
They would then have asked me to keep a closer check on my speed and wished me a safe journey.

These days a roadside device flashes a light, followed by a computer sending out a letter.
No leeway allowed in the system.
And no plod out on patrol either.


That's why, OK?

No leeway. Did you have +10% + 1 mph back then?

[JagLad]

ferret50 said:

...really should have been given the benifit of doubt.

What "doubt" are you suggesting you should have benefited from? There seems no doubt you were exceeding the speed limit (by 20%).

Police officers still have discretion when they enforce speeding offences that they personally witness. There is a problem with that as one police officer might allow you to go on your way with a warning, whilst another may not. Then those who were not will feel "victimised".

But that aside, how do you suppose such discretion might be applied by an automatic device? Or do you object in principle to speed limits being policed in that way?

[The Mad Monk]

ferret50 said:

A very minor infringement, in my case, at a time of the day when even little darlings are safely tucked up in bed, really should have been given the benifit of doubt.

The 'Speed Awareness Course', or brain washing course is a joke a minute, on my course we were told that all vehicles stop in the same distance that the Highway Code states, regardless of vehicle wieght or driver awareness or braking system fitted.

But, 'computer says', so they must be right, correct?

I do hope you sat there and argued the toss with the person conducting the course?