Cocaine Flotsam
Discussion
This is highly unlikely to happen to me, largely because I do not live in the south, I don't usually walk on beaches anyway, and I probably wouldn't notice a bale of cocaine a couple of metres away.
However if the stars line up and it does, then it could be quite a life changing opportunity - so I want to be prepared. Anyway this could happen in other ways - for example there are similar things with treasure in the legal sense and perhaps I might accidentally come across a tonne of East India Company opium.
Here are three simple facts:
Well that's all fine but what I wonder is if there is a half way house. It's not completely illegal to possess under any and all circumstances whatsoever. You just need a Home Office licence of some kind. Cocaine has legitimate uses in medicine. And looking forward, it'll probably be legal eventually when we realise how futile the war on drugs is. Or maybe some other country could legalise it. Anyway it potentially has a legal value.
So if I were out walking after a storm at sea and did stumble upon a few kilos of cocaine, is there some sort of way that I could report it to the authorities so they collect it and I don't possess it, but at the same time that I retain ownership while I go about either obtaining a licence or much more likely selling it to a pharmaceutical company or whatever that has one?
If so what are the best ways to preserve these ownership rights when reporting it to the police?
However if the stars line up and it does, then it could be quite a life changing opportunity - so I want to be prepared. Anyway this could happen in other ways - for example there are similar things with treasure in the legal sense and perhaps I might accidentally come across a tonne of East India Company opium.
Here are three simple facts:
- Apparently the general maritime law is "you find flotsam - it's yours". See for example this illuminating Wikipedia article.
- There are also lots of stories of cocaine washing up at sea. See for example these stories.
- It is illegal to possess cocaine. I don't think I need to provide a citation for this.
Well that's all fine but what I wonder is if there is a half way house. It's not completely illegal to possess under any and all circumstances whatsoever. You just need a Home Office licence of some kind. Cocaine has legitimate uses in medicine. And looking forward, it'll probably be legal eventually when we realise how futile the war on drugs is. Or maybe some other country could legalise it. Anyway it potentially has a legal value.
So if I were out walking after a storm at sea and did stumble upon a few kilos of cocaine, is there some sort of way that I could report it to the authorities so they collect it and I don't possess it, but at the same time that I retain ownership while I go about either obtaining a licence or much more likely selling it to a pharmaceutical company or whatever that has one?
If so what are the best ways to preserve these ownership rights when reporting it to the police?
Somewhatfoolish said:
This is highly unlikely to happen to me, largely because I do not live in the south, I don't usually walk on beaches anyway, and I probably wouldn't notice a bale of cocaine a couple of metres away.
However if the stars line up and it does, then it could be quite a life changing opportunity - so I want to be prepared. Anyway this could happen in other ways - for example there are similar things with treasure in the legal sense and perhaps I might accidentally come across a tonne of East India Company opium.
Here are three simple facts:
Well that's all fine but what I wonder is if there is a half way house. It's not completely illegal to possess under any and all circumstances whatsoever. You just need a Home Office licence of some kind. Cocaine has legitimate uses in medicine. And looking forward, it'll probably be legal eventually when we realise how futile the war on drugs is. Or maybe some other country could legalise it. Anyway it potentially has a legal value.
So if I were out walking after a storm at sea and did stumble upon a few kilos of cocaine, is there some sort of way that I could report it to the authorities so they collect it and I don't possess it, but at the same time that I retain ownership while I go about either obtaining a licence or much more likely selling it to a pharmaceutical company or whatever that has one?
If so what are the best ways to preserve these ownership rights when reporting it to the police?
Sounds simple, ring the police, tell them there’s 10 kilos of cocaine on the beach at Brighton and its yours, I’m sure they will be more than happy to store it for you.However if the stars line up and it does, then it could be quite a life changing opportunity - so I want to be prepared. Anyway this could happen in other ways - for example there are similar things with treasure in the legal sense and perhaps I might accidentally come across a tonne of East India Company opium.
Here are three simple facts:
- Apparently the general maritime law is "you find flotsam - it's yours". See for example this illuminating Wikipedia article.
- There are also lots of stories of cocaine washing up at sea. See for example these stories.
- It is illegal to possess cocaine. I don't think I need to provide a citation for this.
Well that's all fine but what I wonder is if there is a half way house. It's not completely illegal to possess under any and all circumstances whatsoever. You just need a Home Office licence of some kind. Cocaine has legitimate uses in medicine. And looking forward, it'll probably be legal eventually when we realise how futile the war on drugs is. Or maybe some other country could legalise it. Anyway it potentially has a legal value.
So if I were out walking after a storm at sea and did stumble upon a few kilos of cocaine, is there some sort of way that I could report it to the authorities so they collect it and I don't possess it, but at the same time that I retain ownership while I go about either obtaining a licence or much more likely selling it to a pharmaceutical company or whatever that has one?
If so what are the best ways to preserve these ownership rights when reporting it to the police?
Though I suspect they may ask you how you know it’s cocaine unless someone has been kind enough put a label on it.
Happens round these parts regularly and last time IIRC the old bill did not get it all
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12629455/...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12629455/...
helix403 said:
Watch The Boat Story on BBC I Player. That might put you off finding cocaine on the beach.
You could aslo try The Young Offenders filmhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt4714568/
Pharmaceutical manufacture is one of the tightest regulated industries in the UK. Every bottle, label, employee involved etc. Is meticulously recorded. The company near me Norbrook have FDA inspectors in the factory regularly and shipments worth millions are rejected due to any reason at all including that the label printing wasnt done in line with FDA regulations so it's all incinerated.
Can you imagine making lidocaine using ingredients washed up on a beach!
Can you imagine making lidocaine using ingredients washed up on a beach!
Super Sonic said:
If you had a kilo you would be charged with intent to supply wether you sold any or not.
Only if you get caught. Someone found 900kg stashed in the woods not too far from me. Reported to the authorities.
An interesting problem to have if it had have been me stumbling across it
Edited by dingg on Saturday 10th August 13:21
Somewhatfoolish said:
This is highly unlikely to happen to me, largely because I do not live in the south, I don't usually walk on beaches anyway, and I probably wouldn't notice a bale of cocaine a couple of metres away.
However if the stars line up and it does, then it could be quite a life changing opportunity - so I want to be prepared. Anyway this could happen in other ways - for example there are similar things with treasure in the legal sense and perhaps I might accidentally come across a tonne of East India Company opium.
Here are three simple facts:
Well that's all fine but what I wonder is if there is a half way house. It's not completely illegal to possess under any and all circumstances whatsoever. You just need a Home Office licence of some kind. Cocaine has legitimate uses in medicine. And looking forward, it'll probably be legal eventually when we realise how futile the war on drugs is. Or maybe some other country could legalise it. Anyway it potentially has a legal value.
So if I were out walking after a storm at sea and did stumble upon a few kilos of cocaine, is there some sort of way that I could report it to the authorities so they collect it and I don't possess it, but at the same time that I retain ownership while I go about either obtaining a licence or much more likely selling it to a pharmaceutical company or whatever that has one?
If so what are the best ways to preserve these ownership rights when reporting it to the police?
I could be wrong, but given the weird premise, especially the part about pharmaceutical companies buying cocaine (because the cartels are known for their accuracy and commitment to clinical safety However if the stars line up and it does, then it could be quite a life changing opportunity - so I want to be prepared. Anyway this could happen in other ways - for example there are similar things with treasure in the legal sense and perhaps I might accidentally come across a tonne of East India Company opium.
Here are three simple facts:
- Apparently the general maritime law is "you find flotsam - it's yours". See for example this illuminating Wikipedia article.
- There are also lots of stories of cocaine washing up at sea. See for example these stories.
- It is illegal to possess cocaine. I don't think I need to provide a citation for this.
Well that's all fine but what I wonder is if there is a half way house. It's not completely illegal to possess under any and all circumstances whatsoever. You just need a Home Office licence of some kind. Cocaine has legitimate uses in medicine. And looking forward, it'll probably be legal eventually when we realise how futile the war on drugs is. Or maybe some other country could legalise it. Anyway it potentially has a legal value.
So if I were out walking after a storm at sea and did stumble upon a few kilos of cocaine, is there some sort of way that I could report it to the authorities so they collect it and I don't possess it, but at the same time that I retain ownership while I go about either obtaining a licence or much more likely selling it to a pharmaceutical company or whatever that has one?
If so what are the best ways to preserve these ownership rights when reporting it to the police?
) and your other weird thread about rioting earlier this week, and the time this was posted, but are you partial to a nose beer or two?Too much to lose these days to touch anything illegal, sadly. I am very angry about this state oppression but that is another thread.
I prefer to focus on the legalities of my entrepreneurial idea. Especially what the differences are between ownership and possession. I'm pretty sure if you owned tonnes of cocaine you could find something to do with it even if it wasn't pharmaceutical. Selling it to a hedge fund gambling on it becoming legal sometime (does it degrade?) for pennies on the pound would still make whoever discovers it an awful lot of money if the loophole I am hoping exists does indeed exist.
I prefer to focus on the legalities of my entrepreneurial idea. Especially what the differences are between ownership and possession. I'm pretty sure if you owned tonnes of cocaine you could find something to do with it even if it wasn't pharmaceutical. Selling it to a hedge fund gambling on it becoming legal sometime (does it degrade?) for pennies on the pound would still make whoever discovers it an awful lot of money if the loophole I am hoping exists does indeed exist.
Super Sonic said:
'difference between ownership and possession' lol.
ETA you're putting in a lot of time and effort discussing the minutea of a hypothetical situation.
Damn right I am. Those before me didn't put this effort in, and are therefore not cocaine millionaires. At best they have an anecdote about the time they found cocaine out walking their dog and had to hang around for hours until the police turned up. I however will (hopefully, depending on how this thread goes) be prepared. Who will be the fool then, eh? ETA you're putting in a lot of time and effort discussing the minutea of a hypothetical situation.
Edited by Super Sonic on Saturday 10th August 15:05
Even if you do stumble on a few kilos how the hell do you get rid of it?
I don't know about anyone else on here but I don't fancy chopping it into little baggies and selling it to the local scrotes, and good luck selling 5 kg of it to 'Mr Big'.
So, for 'normal' people it's a moot point isn't it. Stumbling across a sizeable amount of any illegal drugs wouldn't enrich me in any way at all.
I don't know about anyone else on here but I don't fancy chopping it into little baggies and selling it to the local scrotes, and good luck selling 5 kg of it to 'Mr Big'.
So, for 'normal' people it's a moot point isn't it. Stumbling across a sizeable amount of any illegal drugs wouldn't enrich me in any way at all.
ScotHill said:
Link isn't working for me, but I'm guessing that's the Fast Show "Cocaine Galore!" sketch, which was exactly what I first thought of also.dingg said:
Super Sonic said:
If you had a kilo you would be charged with intent to supply wether you sold any or not.
Only if you get caught. Someone found 900kg stashed in the woods not too far from me. Reported to the authorities.
An interesting problem to have if it had have been me stumbling across it
Edited by dingg on Saturday 10th August 13:21
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