Speeding warning without evidence

[fourstardan]

I need to get this off my chest as I'm still seething.

I was driving down a local road with my son in the back that runs along the outside of my town, some feral oink in a BMW 51 plate decided he'd rather tailgate me so I still to the speed limit.

Said feral oink decides he wants to overtake me on this minor road. Fingers shown by him out the window as he passed.

The road comes into a junction thats hidden.....BANG blue lights and flourescent jackets everywhere, someones come off a bike so there's a police block.

The officer at the block talks to feral oink while stopped some sort of warning, while im deciding if I get out and give the officer what I've just had happened to me by this tt.

I decided not to, but wound down the window and asked if they thought his speed was acceptable...."oh no it wasn't but thats what I warned him about"...

I appreciate the force had a lot going on but this sort of response typifies today, it really grinds my gears, I do 1mph over the limit on a motorway and get three points yet this behaviour.

It got me thinking, could a copper do anything in this situation if id said something?

I guess on the plus side this feral idiot will only end up wrapped around a tree at some point anyway.

[jondude]

But the truth is that is how policing used to be (and should be in my view) - the cops take the driving into account and make a personal judgement. It is unlikely they saw the tailgating and perhaps as he was past you, the BMW had slowed, too. Or maybe he was apologetic and not an 'oink' when talking to the police.

The cameras do not do that, no interaction, no judgement of the situation, just a fine sent in the post.

[Sheepshanks]

fourstardan said:

.....I do 1mph over the limit on a motorway and get three points......

I know you're wound up, but that's not true, is it?


If someone is pushing to get past me, if possible I pull to the side and let them go, especially if I've got kids in the car.

[zarjaz1991]

fourstardan said:

I need to get this off my chest as I'm still seething.

I was driving down a local road with my son in the back that runs along the outside of my town, some feral oink in a BMW 51 plate decided he'd rather tailgate me so I still to the speed limit.

Said feral oink decides he wants to overtake me on this minor road. Fingers shown by him out the window as he passed.

The road comes into a junction thats hidden.....BANG blue lights and flourescent jackets everywhere, someones come off a bike so there's a police block.

The officer at the block talks to feral oink while stopped some sort of warning, while im deciding if I get out and give the officer what I've just had happened to me by this tt.

I decided not to, but wound down the window and asked if they thought his speed was acceptable...."oh no it wasn't but thats what I warned him about"...

I appreciate the force had a lot going on but this sort of response typifies today, it really grinds my gears, I do 1mph over the limit on a motorway and get three points yet this behaviour.

It got me thinking, could a copper do anything in this situation if id said something?

I guess on the plus side this feral idiot will only end up wrapped around a tree at some point anyway.

Sounds like good policing at work here, and that’s something coming from me.

[Dog Biscuit]

Sheepshanks said:

fourstardan said:

.....I do 1mph over the limit on a motorway and get three points......

I know you're wound up, but that's not true, is it?


If someone is pushing to get past me, if possible I pull to the side and let them go, especially if I've got kids in the car.

Me too. Its far easier to let them go and then carry on driving

[Leptons]

Weird post. Are you Butt hurt about being overtaken? What did you want the copper to do exactly?

[zarjaz1991]

Dog Biscuit said:

Me too. Its far easier to let them go and then carry on driving

And me. I let them get on their way. Life’s too short.

Plus I get to see them in a ditch later.

Edited by zarjaz1991 on Sunday 21st July 22:05

[Roger Irrelevant]

Isn't this precisely the sort of thing that PHers are always saying should happen a lot more often? Lots more actual police on the road so that they can 'have a word' in response to bad driving rather than cameras indiscriminately dishing out tickets for speeding? As an aside I've often suspected that when people say that they mean that they should be let off with a talking to, because they are an 'enthusiast', but anybody else should have the book thrown at them because they're just bad drivers.

[Drumroll]

I am sure if the oink had come on here and started a thread that said "I have just been given 3 points for speeding by a policeman stood at a roadblock. No speed camera, he was just stood in the road controlling traffic" Most replies would say that's not right, challenge it etc.

[Scabutz]

It's been proven in experiments that's humans cannot judge actual speed well at all. So whilst the copper probably thought he was going faster than he should be, he is not and cannot be an expert witness in speed, so without evidence from a camera or radar etc there is nothing he could do beyond a talking to.

It's not clear how much twatery the copper could have seen from what you described but if he had directly witnessed say him overtaking you on a blind bend then he could go with driving without due care or careless driving etc so its hard to say for sure, but your question was about speed

[DP14]

If an oink was driving then perhaps it was an undercover car. Was there an oik anywhere to be seen?

[paintman]

Scabutz said:

It's been proven in experiments that's humans cannot judge actual speed well at all. So whilst the copper probably thought he was going faster than he should be, he is not and cannot be an expert witness in speed, so without evidence from a camera or radar etc there is nothing he could do beyond a talking to.

It's not clear how much twatery the copper could have seen from what you described but if he had directly witnessed say him overtaking you on a blind bend then he could go with driving without due care or careless driving etc so its hard to say for sure, but your question was about speed

In the absence of an approved speed detection device to corroborate the opinion of one officer that the vehicle was exceeding the speed limit it would require the opinion of two officers that the vehicle was exceeding the speed limit.
Only ever reported one using that, my normal crewmate was the other officer & we were both trained & experienced in the used of Muniquip & ProLaser.
It was a 30 limit in the city & we weren't sure whether the report should be for excess speed or low flying!
Pleaded guilty so I don't know what the final disposal was.

[BertBert]

So what did the other driver do that was so terrible? Tailgated turn overtook? What was so bad about it?

And what exactly is a feral oink anyway?

[Scabutz]

paintman said:

In the absence of an approved speed detection device to corroborate the opinion of one officer that the vehicle was exceeding the speed limit it would require the opinion of two officers that the vehicle was exceeding the speed limit.
Only ever reported one using that, my normal crewmate was the other officer & we were both trained & experienced in the used of Muniquip & ProLaser.
It was a 30 limit in the city & we weren't sure whether the report should be for excess speed or low flying!
Pleaded guilty so I don't know what the final disposal was.

Does that though require you to be following in a car and using the speedo and each other to corroborate? In the OPs post it sounds like a copper standing at a roadblock observering with nothing but a Mk 1 eyeball.

[paintman]

Scabutz said:

Does that though require you to be following in a car and using the speedo and each other to corroborate? In the OPs post it sounds like a copper standing at a roadblock observering with nothing but a Mk 1 eyeball.

In the circumstances given by the OP if there had been two officers standing at the block who saw the speeding car then Mk1 eyeball is all that's required.

Mine was pretty much that, sat in a side road in a fully liveried car watching passing traffic when the low flyer came up the road.
We looked at each other & both came out with much the same estimate.
I was surprised that he hadn't seen us & only slowed when we came out with lights & blues to pull him.

[Oceanrower]

fourstardan said:

I do 1mph over the limit on a motorway and get three points

1. No you don’t. You really don’t.
2. What’s an oink?

[donkmeister]

Oceanrower said:

2. What’s an oink?

It was part of the coronation ceremony IIRC.

When they pull the curtains round and King Charles had to get his old boy out, they anoinked him with oil.

[GasEngineer]

BertBert said:

So what did the other driver do that was so terrible? Tailgated turn overtook? What was so bad about it?

And what exactly is a feral oink anyway?

If you really can't see what was wrong with the "oink's" driving then you may be one too!

[Tony1963]

paintman said:

I was surprised that he hadn't seen us & only slowed when we came out with lights & blues to pull him.

What is “lights & blues”?

[Jamescrs]

No idea where the OP was but it could be the Police were dealing with something like this that happened yesterday

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/six-people-includin...

Probably had a bit more to deal with than the OPs issue at the time.