who is at fault red or blue?
Discussion
me blue line, other road person red, they indicate left but pull in to the hatchings as shown..
me slightly bewildered as to why there is a car signalling one thing but doing the opposite ,cant see the turning they are going in to, carrys on forward, they turn bk in to lane from hatchings, we come together and my front wheel arch hits her front passenger door down the side of her car. probs a couple of hundred quits worth of damage to her car, my car will polish out.
she says "sorry I swung out wide to take the turn"
I said don't worry about it, they will probably spray the whole side of your car anyway if your going to get that MASSIVE other dent fixed that DEFIANTLY wasn't me.
now husband has rang for insurance details cause he says its my fault??
Ill happily pay if im at fault but I think
A) you were out of the traffic in the hatchings and should have waited till clear to turn
B) thats effectively a U-turn
Please no "let the insurance sort it, its what you pay them for replys"
They are vultures.
me slightly bewildered as to why there is a car signalling one thing but doing the opposite ,cant see the turning they are going in to, carrys on forward, they turn bk in to lane from hatchings, we come together and my front wheel arch hits her front passenger door down the side of her car. probs a couple of hundred quits worth of damage to her car, my car will polish out.
she says "sorry I swung out wide to take the turn"
I said don't worry about it, they will probably spray the whole side of your car anyway if your going to get that MASSIVE other dent fixed that DEFIANTLY wasn't me.
now husband has rang for insurance details cause he says its my fault??
Ill happily pay if im at fault but I think
A) you were out of the traffic in the hatchings and should have waited till clear to turn
B) thats effectively a U-turn
Please no "let the insurance sort it, its what you pay them for replys"
They are vultures.
I had that conundrum on my advanced test (passed) many years ago. I was given a left turn like that. The approach IS to take it wide (on a road that you are on, and can fully see), to keep tight when you enter the acute-angled side road.
The other car was indicating left, so you should hang back until the driver completes the manoeuvre.ETA, the side turning would probably have been signed earlier on (triangular information sign, they are not there for ignoring).
The other car was indicating left, so you should hang back until the driver completes the manoeuvre.ETA, the side turning would probably have been signed earlier on (triangular information sign, they are not there for ignoring).
Edited by Pica-Pica on Monday 24th June 17:58
Not what you want to hear, but it is 100% on you.
You even say you were bewildered why they were signalling... so you accept that they were signaling their intent, you just didn't understand it.
If it were a driving god in front, they may have made slightly more effort to close down the lane before making their move, but no real need to do so.
You even say you were bewildered why they were signalling... so you accept that they were signaling their intent, you just didn't understand it.
If it were a driving god in front, they may have made slightly more effort to close down the lane before making their move, but no real need to do so.
I'd say you are at fault. A left signal was activated that wasn't on previously Letting you know they were aware of their surroundings. Okay the you did not understand the veering to the right. This would have caused some questions along the lines of "What are they doing". I would've held back to see the intention.
Yeah, easy mistake to make, but your mistake I think.
On the basis you should always be trying to telegraph your intention to other drivers, I wonder what she could have done to make it easier to predict what she was about to do? Maybe indicate left and damn nearly stop still in the left-hand before then swinging out and back into the turn in one manoeuvre?
On the basis you should always be trying to telegraph your intention to other drivers, I wonder what she could have done to make it easier to predict what she was about to do? Maybe indicate left and damn nearly stop still in the left-hand before then swinging out and back into the turn in one manoeuvre?
karatemaserati said:
me blue line, other road person red, they indicate left but pull in to the hatchings as shown..
me slightly bewildered as to why there is a car signalling one thing but doing the opposite ,cant see the turning they are going in to, carrys on forward, they turn bk in to lane from hatchings, we come together and my front wheel arch hits her front passenger door down the side of her car. probs a couple of hundred quits worth of damage to her car, my car will polish out.
she says "sorry I swung out wide to take the turn"
I said don't worry about it, they will probably spray the whole side of your car anyway if your going to get that MASSIVE other dent fixed that DEFIANTLY wasn't me.
now husband has rang for insurance details cause he says its my fault??
Ill happily pay if im at fault but I think
A) you were out of the traffic in the hatchings and should have waited till clear to turn
B) thats effectively a U-turn
Please no "let the insurance sort it, its what you pay them for replys"
They are vultures.
Yep, your fault.me slightly bewildered as to why there is a car signalling one thing but doing the opposite ,cant see the turning they are going in to, carrys on forward, they turn bk in to lane from hatchings, we come together and my front wheel arch hits her front passenger door down the side of her car. probs a couple of hundred quits worth of damage to her car, my car will polish out.
she says "sorry I swung out wide to take the turn"
I said don't worry about it, they will probably spray the whole side of your car anyway if your going to get that MASSIVE other dent fixed that DEFIANTLY wasn't me.
now husband has rang for insurance details cause he says its my fault??
Ill happily pay if im at fault but I think
A) you were out of the traffic in the hatchings and should have waited till clear to turn
B) thats effectively a U-turn
Please no "let the insurance sort it, its what you pay them for replys"
They are vultures.
karatemaserati said:
how can I see that coming from that direction??
Not sure if serious or trolling?I dunno, maybe the fact that the massive hedgerow ends, there's a massive gap of nothing straight after it, coupled with a large expanse of tarmac and dropped kerb may provide some clues that it's somewhere that cars go in and out of........... ???????
As as artic trucker, I can tell you'd be the type to drive up my nearside when positioned half in lane 2 at a set of lights with left indicators on to make a left turn. "Oh, I didn't see you there" when your car disappears under the trailer mid turn.
karatemaserati said:
To go against the flow...I think it is pretty dumb for red to make that manoeuvre and it would be far more sensible for them to go past, turn around, and then approach from the opposite direction when they don't have to make that wide swing out U turn.
However as it isn't actually illegal for them to do that manoeuvre then obviously they can, but they should at least be aware that their unusual manoeuvre might cause confusion and they should be on the look out for drivers behind (like blue) who doesn't understand what they are doing.
Blue obviously made an error because you should never assume what the car in front is doing, particularly if they are indicating left and pulling to the right, and if they are doing that then going inside that car indicating left is just asking for trouble.
So in summary, blue mainly to blame for not being cautious but red not entirely innocent for their lack of observation - 80/20 blue/red.
Based on my experience, absent any video based on both drivers descriptions it goes 50-50.
I was the red car in a scenario with a few similarities. I went the wrong way out of a town , realised I needed to be going the other way, spotted a bus stop up ahead on the right figured it could be a useful turnaround spot, signalled right, hugged the left kerb swung around across the road and was hit by the car behind on the wrong side of the road who had tried to overtake me whilst I was turning.
Initially my insurance put it 100% on me, Car behind said she thought I was turning left as I went left. Said she didn't see my right indicator. After a lot of badgering on my part it went 50 - 50.
Final summary was both drivers have an obligation not to hit each other.
Car in front should do an over the shoulder check and make sure nothing in blind spot before manouevering.
Car behind should be patient and not assume a manouver based on where the car is in the road especially if it appears to contradict the indicator.
I was the red car in a scenario with a few similarities. I went the wrong way out of a town , realised I needed to be going the other way, spotted a bus stop up ahead on the right figured it could be a useful turnaround spot, signalled right, hugged the left kerb swung around across the road and was hit by the car behind on the wrong side of the road who had tried to overtake me whilst I was turning.
Initially my insurance put it 100% on me, Car behind said she thought I was turning left as I went left. Said she didn't see my right indicator. After a lot of badgering on my part it went 50 - 50.
Final summary was both drivers have an obligation not to hit each other.
Car in front should do an over the shoulder check and make sure nothing in blind spot before manouevering.
Car behind should be patient and not assume a manouver based on where the car is in the road especially if it appears to contradict the indicator.
50-50 for me.
If she was far enough across to the right for you to be able continue ahead she should have checked you'd understood what she was doing and weren't continuing. You should have read the indication and opposing movement as a prompt to hang back.
For all the judgemental types - give it a rest.
The fact that there was significant damage to that side of her car already does hint that this might have happened to her before.
Sounds like it might get tricky so I'd be going through my insurer.
Good luck - hope it doesn't become more of a pain.
If she was far enough across to the right for you to be able continue ahead she should have checked you'd understood what she was doing and weren't continuing. You should have read the indication and opposing movement as a prompt to hang back.
For all the judgemental types - give it a rest.
The fact that there was significant damage to that side of her car already does hint that this might have happened to her before.
Sounds like it might get tricky so I'd be going through my insurer.
Good luck - hope it doesn't become more of a pain.
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