Driving licence question

[hogg968]

My niece is having a few family issues at the moment. She has just been given a 6 month driving ban, on her UK licence. There are more cases pending, which could mean a much longer ban. She has travelled to France and hired a car, using her Dubai driving licence. She doesn't see this as an issue. If you get a ban on one licence, can you use another issued licence to drive abroad? Thanks in advance.

[Rushjob]

She is disqualified from driving in the UK and her UK driving licence is currently not valid. She has not been disqualified from driving in France and providing she has a driving licence valid to drive in France, no offences have been committed. If however she drove over to the UK, then she would be driving whilst disqualified.

[agtlaw]

hogg968 said:

My niece is having a few family issues at the moment. She has just been given a 6 month driving ban, on her UK licence. There are more cases pending, which could mean a much longer ban. She has travelled to France and hired a car, using her Dubai driving licence. She doesn't see this as an issue. If you get a ban on one licence, can you use another issued licence to drive abroad? Thanks in advance.

Yes.

[hogg968]

Thanks for the quick replies.

[BertBert]

Whilst I'm not even questioning the answers given, it rather depends on the legislation in place in the country that is being driven in.

They could have legislation that says that any ban in another jurisdiction means they are not allowed to drive in their jurisdiction.

Hey ho!

[mgv8]

You should only hold a valid licence from one country at a time. Can she get away with this? Probably yes, but if things go south, there may be quite a few difficult questions.

[agtlaw]

BertBert said:

Whilst I'm not even questioning the answers given, it rather depends on the legislation in place in the country that is being driven in.

They could have legislation that says that any ban in another jurisdiction means they are not allowed to drive in their jurisdiction.

In France??

IDL for a UAE licence mentioned here: https://atcuae.ae/idl-international-driving-licens...

[Responder.First]

agtlaw said:

In France??

IDL for a UAE licence mentioned here: https://atcuae.ae/idl-international-driving-licens...

I would question has has she any residency and passed a test in abroad or was the UK licence use to get an international permit.

In most cases the holding of licence in one country invalidates another, hence the IDP scheme.

If she holds a IDP from her UKL then she is now disqual from holding the IDP as far as I can remember.

As someone has stated when hiring a car in France she probably signed to say she was not disqual from holding a licence and not banned as that's something hire companies in Europe can get a bit upset about so she probably is committing fraud hiring a car in France I would bet!

That's before we get into whether she holds another licence outside of the uk.


I thought bans over 56 days meant the licence was returned to the DVLA, so should not longer have a valid UKL in her possession.

Edited by Responder.First on Monday 24th June 13:11

[agtlaw]

Responder.First said:

I would question has has she any residency and passed a test in abroad or was the UK licence use to get an international permit.

In most cases the holding of licence in one country invalidates another, hence the IDP scheme.

If she holds a IDP from her UKL then she is now disqual from holding the IDP as far as I can remember.

As someone has stated when hiring a car in France she probably signed to say she was not disqual from holding a licence and not banned as that's something hire companies in Europe can get a bit upset about so she probably is committing fraud hiring a car in France I would bet!

That's before we get into whether she holds another licence outside of the uk.

I thought bans over 56 days meant the licence was returned to the DVLA, so should not longer have a valid UKL in her possession.

An IDP is not necessarily required. The UAE licence could be used to obtain a IDL.

A driver may hold only one EU licence - if that's what you mean by "in most cases"

Does the driver have an IDP?

Possible but I don't recall having to make such a declaration when hiring cars overseas - which I've done many times.

You're probably thinking of revocation. DVLA writes to the driver asking for the physical licence to be surrendered by sending it to DVLA.

[Responder.First]

agtlaw said:

An IDP is not necessarily required. The UAE licence could be used to obtain a IDL.

A driver may hold only one EU licence - if that's what you mean by "in most cases"

Does the driver have an IDP?

Possible but I don't recall having to make such a declaration when hiring cars overseas - which I've done many times.

You're probably thinking of revocation. DVLA writes to the driver asking for the physical licence to be surrendered by sending it to DVLA.

Thanks it was other who brought up IDP, the OP said Dubai Licence, the story is incomplete and maybe a bit suspect,

The UK and Dubai aren't EU member states so not sure thats relevant, however the information is not complete so its very hard to provide a full ansswer. France is a EUM but no one is saying she has a french licence.


Standard Term taken from one of the big ones (Car rental firms)

___You and any Authorised Driver undertake to drive the vehicle on a valid driving
licence which must not have expired or have been cancelled, SUSPENDED or
withdrawn at the time of the rental



So if she has a dubai licence she made need to check if a visa is required as well, if she has IDP with UKL then she would be very illegal renting a car in france in my opinion.


From hiring a car in the EU Since brexit I believe the Swiss licence is treated as EUM but we are not.

Edited by Responder.First on Monday 24th June 15:49

[Rushjob]

Responder.First said:

Thanks it was other who brought up IDP, the OP said Dubai Licence, the story is incomplete and maybe a bit suspect,

The UK and Dubai aren't EU member states so not sure thats relevant, however the information is not complete so its very hard to provide a full ansswer. France is a EUM but no one is saying she has a french licence.


Standard Term taken from one of the big ones (Car rental firms)

___You and any Authorised Driver undertake to drive the vehicle on a valid driving
licence which must not have expired or have been cancelled, SUSPENDED or
withdrawn at the time of the rental



So if she has a dubai licence she made need to check if a visa is required as well, if she has IDP with UKL then she would be very illegal renting a car in france in my opinion.


From hiring a car in the EU Since brexit I believe the Swiss licence is treated as EUM but we are not.

Edited by Responder.First on Monday 24th June 15:49

You really are grasping at straws to try to support your misguided argument aren't you?

Since when has being banned from driving in the UK prevented someone from using the visa free waiver on their UK passport to enter the Schengen Area?

If she holds the UAE licence legally, she can drive a car in France. End of.

[Ussrcossack]

hogg968 said:

My niece is having a few family issues at the moment. She has just been given a 6 month driving ban, on her UK licence. There are more cases pending, which could mean a much longer ban. She has travelled to France and hired a car, using her Dubai driving licence. She doesn't see this as an issue. If you get a ban on one licence, can you use another issued licence to drive abroad? Thanks in advance.

Typical blame family issues on loss of licence and have a 2nd dodgy licence

[CanAm]

agtlaw said:

hogg968 said:

My niece is having a few family issues at the moment. She has just been given a 6 month driving ban, on her UK licence. There are more cases pending, which could mean a much longer ban. She has travelled to France and hired a car, using her Dubai driving licence. She doesn't see this as an issue. If you get a ban on one licence, can you use another issued licence to drive abroad? Thanks in advance.

Yes.

There have been cases of F1 drivers doing exactly this(because losing your road licence also affected your competition licence. This may no longer apply). If only I could remember who!

[Responder.First]

Ussrcossack said:

Typical blame family issues on loss of licence and have a 2nd dodgy licence

So if your family has a lot of issues do you make sure you have passports and driving licences in various other countries.


I am not sure I believe someone who lives in the UK also had a Dubai licence, I know people who have worked in Dubai and they have never gotten more than a IDP.

[otolith]

Responder.First said:

I am not sure I believe someone who lives in the UK also had a Dubai licence, I know people who have worked in Dubai and they have never gotten more than a IDP.

I'd have thought that there are plenty of Dubai nationals who live in the UK and have obtained a UK licence.